I enjoyed that film there, Chi65 san ! Thanks for the link ! Of course, for those of us who have been, and are keeping up with studies and progress made in that field, it presented nothing really new, other than one case study of the agmadela not getting signals for the other processing points in a certain map.
It does appear that your usage of the word 'science' should be identified a little better.
Sure I hope, some keep up, yet the connections have to be made again and again (this also goes to me), but for many its new. Even Rama has to make it clear (it was not the first time, that he stated the role of the syn-senses and artists, but maybe in an open lecture, in his books he is pretty clear in his direction), as you could hear.
In that context, there are two very things that pure science is all about, 1) observing, and 2) by trial and error, knowledge is formulated then concretized. (it might also be pointed out, just in case, that psychology is a science too)
Yes, but at the beginning, it was not necessarily separated, but then it was not so complex or rather too complex to know, where to start to divide it.
All they found out, was, that something worked better this way, and so they did it over and over again, best way they could. Its simply a kind of manipulation of their own inside(!), while they thought, its about an outside force they could not understand yet. A good example is the Zen-archery, for advanced understandings, by the way. Which is, why so much eastern wisdom caught the interest of western psychologists.
Sure psychology is a science, although there are many diversions in the discussions now, even, IF it is one, because it so often touches untouchables like "spirits, ghosts"-matters ;-)
I'd like to make sure I understand the point you are trying to make here. Using the dual-sidedness of the human body in metaphor, you are arguing that science and religious belief-systems both work towards the same results?
Originally yes, it definitely has the same roots, which does not mean, that their ways, weapons are uptodate. There is a lot of work to be done for sure.
Which is, why it might be good to go to the roots again, to be able to see and accept this.
Even the separation of worldly power and church showed the growing shizophrenia about their divided paths, for which especially our german history has many examples. In the end its all about powers and ruling over people's minds in the name of a stronger overfather (yes, mostly males).
For example, you are arguing that as Christianity worked toward the conclusion that any person who does not accept Jesus as their personal savior, and declare that privately and publically is fully condemned and without hope, science is, or can, collaborate to reach that same conclusion? Would this be a good description of the argument?
Hm, yes, in a way, it does show similarities in my observation, I was often laughing at even similar behaviours in the RD- and particularly the Randi-forum, but of course they hardly liked that argument, even if I was not alone with it. Any projection, that, without their (whichever side) views and experiences you are lost in a way, is to be found on both sides, also not new.
I personally think, its rubbish and much more a matter of translations, for which a solution could be found with a bit of good will.
You are doing a fine job for this, by the way.
Digging and educating about former names, words, descriptions can be very enlightening, I do this myself a lot and keep on finding it interesting.
But reading between the lines often is as important, and in this, asians are more trained, since their appearing images are still rooted in the visuals (!), when reading their own signs, that can have so many adaptable meanings.
Best example, the multiple meanings of Chi or Ki, but around western science often seen as just one out of date formulation and as such very likely (and openly!)to be condemned. It is laughable, because even Chinese and Japanese know very well, that it is as multiple and changable as can be.
A japanese friend once sent me several pages (!) simply Ki-connected translations, and I warned the RD forum, that all they would get is roaring laughter or polite silence at best from the east, but for sure no giving up of it, any which way.
Nor would they give up their according kanjis or so. The gap between this different understanding and way of handling it is very high and lies in a far more associative and complex way of dealing with it in the east in contrary to the small boxes offered by the west.
As such it also could give an idea, how western religion tried to keep doors open, but was pinned down into boxes. Fundies are a good example, and there are fundies in religion as well as in science. And thats the major problem and dangerous. While fundies say, those with open windows are dangerous, like witches, artists etc., clearly because they just jump over the walls in minds and better be silenced, hehe. But its too late now.
Einstein himself had many good laughs about this narrowmindedness, being friends with his dreams. . .
Thats why we artists like people like Rama and his curiosity and humour and open door for artists and syn, and ongoing, not hitting around. There are these and those, on all sides, yes.
As far as I can see at least.
(just kidding)
