I think you're not breaking up the words correctly. That's not 「もそもそ」 but rather 「そもそも」. The first 「も」 is part of 「言っても」.nemesae said:I'm currently translating an interview but constantly stumbling over this sentence:
今はすっかり大きくなり……って言ってもそもそも小さいんですけど(笑)。
I understand most of the sentence, but the mosomoso is confusing. I think it's onomatopoeia but I'm not sure. For people interested in the context:
No really =_= what form is 言っても? Something like 'saying (is) also' ?jt_ said:I think you're not breaking up the words correctly. That's not 「もそもそ」 but rather 「そもそも」. The first 「も」 is part of 「言っても」.
Does that help you figure it out at all?
Makes more sense.. but it's strange I couldn't find the word in any online dictionary and when I typed it in in google in hiragana there came a lot of dog and cat pictures, which is why I thought it to be onomatopoeia. Could you explain how you got to 'in de first place', 'to begin with'?hebiichigo said:そもそも means "in the first place", "to begin with" etc.
I'm not sure if it's onomatopoeia though.
To me the sentence is something like, "I might say the dog is quite large now, but it was small to start off with."
Are you sure the "tte itte mo" is transcribed correctly ?....somehow it looks strange to me there.nemesae said:No really =_= what form is 言っても? Something like 'saying (is) also' ?
Makes more sense.. but it's strange I couldn't find the word in any online dictionary and when I typed it in in google in hiragana there came a lot of dog and cat pictures, which is why I thought it to be onomatopoeia. Could you explain how you got to 'in de first place', 'to begin with'?
It's a Shinya interview, by the way, if you're wondering why on earth I'd be translating an interview about dogs ^_~
Hmm, yes, it's transcribed okay, I doublechecked. But the tte is a different form of to (as in 'to iu'), if you were confused about thatElizabeth said:Are you sure the "tte itte mo" is transcribed correctly ?....somehow it looks strange to me there.
Yes sure, it's a conversational form of the quotative "to iu." It isn't really addressed directly in the explanation though....nemesae said:Hmm, yes, it's transcribed okay, I doublechecked. But the tte is a different form of to (as in 'to iu'), if you were confused about that
(done translating)Hiroyuki Nagashima said:私は英語で説明できないので、日本語で解説したいと思います。
「そもそも」は国語辞典によると、「そも」を重ねた語。
「そも」は代名詞「そ(其)」に係助詞「も」の付いたもの〕前に述べたことを受けて次のことを説き起こすとき用いる語
擬声語ではないですね。
の検索結果 - goo国語辞書
今はすっかり大きくなり……って言ってもそもそも小さ いんですけど(笑)。
=「今はすっかり大きくなった」と言っても、犬を飼い始めたころから小さかったので
いまでもたいして大きくないです。
小さいんです けど
「けど」=「けれども」形容詞活用の已然形語尾「けれ」に接続助詞「ども」が付いたものから
活用語の終止形に接続する。
(1)ある事柄に、それと逆の、または関係のうすい事柄を結びつける。
(2)前置きを本題に結びつける。
(3)二つの事柄を単に結びつける。
の意味 - goo国語辞書
英語では、自分の言ったことについて、「って言っても」を使って疑問文は奇妙 な感じがします。nemesae said:Hmm, yes, it's transcribed okay, I double-checked. But the tte is a different form of to (as in 'to iu'), if you were confused about that
*starts translating Hiroyuki's explanation*
It's an idiomatic usage, but there's nothing really strange about it.Elizabeth said:英語では、自分の言ったことについて、「って言っても」を使って疑問文は奇妙 な感じがします。
でも、日本語だと、「(って?)と言っても」の後に、IF文(~ば)が続くからちょっと変な感じがするんでしょうね。
That does put it in a different light. I was trying too frame it more literally, "although I say...." (now/for the time being, but that may change....)." In any event, it still seems both would be awkward in English for referring to natural processes, or really anything as obvious a dog getting larger over time. ☝jt_ said:It's an idiomatic usage, but there's nothing really strange about it.
I tend to think of it as "Well, even saying that...", or "That being said...".
It's basically just indicating that you're qualifying your previous statement.
nemesae said:Makes more sense.. but it's strange I couldn't find the word in any online dictionary and when I typed it in in google in hiragana there came a lot of dog and cat pictures, which is why I thought it to be onomatopoeia. Could you explain how you got to 'in de first place', 'to begin with'?
It's a Shinya interview, by the way, if you're wondering why on earth I'd be translating an interview about dogs ^_~
Why? I'm still not really seeing the awkwardness, except maybe for the fact that we don't really have a "stock phrase" for this that's as commonly used as 「と言っても」 is in Japanese. Its usage really has nothing to do with the "process" of the dog getting larger and how "obvious" this is or isn't. It can be used whenever the speaker wants to qualify a previous statement.Elizabeth said:That does put it in a different light. I was trying too frame it more literally, "although I say...." (now/for the time being, but that may change....)." In any event, it still seems both would be awkward in English for referring to natural processes, or really anything as obvious a dog getting larger over time.
Sure, those were useful. Thanks. Somehow I was reading "tte itte mo" in the original and Nagashima's explanation as an attempt to qualify that, this dog, perhaps particularly small for his/her breed to begin with, may actually not be as fully grown as may I think, or as I'm saying now. Most people I think realize that largeness in adult animals is a relative thing....jt_ said:Why? I'm still not really seeing the awkwardness, except maybe for the fact that we don't really have a "stock phrase" for this that's as commonly used as 「と言っても」 is in Japanese. Its usage really has nothing to do with the "process" of the dog getting larger and how "obvious" this is or isn't. It can be used whenever the speaker wants to qualify a previous statement.
Let me quote the two explanations (they're really basically the same thing) given in my 日本語文型辞典, maybe they'll make it more clear for you.
Elizabeth said:'Although I say Korea would probably be the country I'd visit in the event of any overseas travel, it won't be the situation/come to pass in the near term ?'