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Nova Vs JET Programme

Japolak

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Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum, and I hope one day to be a resident of Japan. I have never been there but I'm really interested in Japan. The culture, the life-style, the girls

But before I rush into anything, I would like to do one of these programs. Either, Nova or JET. And I was hoping you guys can tell me which is better. I heard JET was good, but nothing bad about it. And i heard Nova was good, but some people didnt like it. Why?

thanks
 
hello,

I've recently returned from Japan, I was there for one year with NOVA Group. I can relate my own personal experience for you.

First off, if you live in a NOVA apartment you really get screwed on the rent. For a 3-room plus kitchen and common area apartment in Tokyo, my room mates and I paid a total of 70,000JPY each. The apartment costed perhaps 120,000JPY at the most, so NOVA does make a large profit on your rent. For me, this was offset by living with two really great guys who I'd consider great friends and I will definitely catch up with later in life. Individual results may vary, but the apartments they give you aren't cheap. It's difficult to get your own apartment in Japan without a guarantor, key money, etc... it can actually be incredibly expensive to get your own place. But, I know some NOVA teachers who found sweet deals, no key money, no guarantor needed, and ended up paying dirt cheap rent for great places. Anyway, thats one drawback, and it's not necessarily exclusive to NOVA but I had another friend doing ALT work in public schools and he paid considerably less. Something to consider after you arrive if you do decide to use NOVA.

Drawback two is that the company itself is structured in such a way that you have alot of people with paper crowns and titles bossing each other around, at least that was the case in my block. The AT's (your branch bosses) can make your break your experience. You may get a nice one who really helps you along, or you'll get a pr1ck who steals all the free lessons (open lesson slots when no one shows up or someone cancels) so they can sit on their butt while you teach their students. Again, individual results may vary, but the professionalism REALLY varies from branch to branch and there's not alot you can do about it. You're not in schools with properly disciplined children or a learning-focused application, you're in the NOVA environment and your freedom is limited and everything is sales-focused. It can upset you and your students sometimes. Over time it can potentially sour your experience.

Third, NOVA doesn't have the A34 schedule anymore to my knowledge, you will be given the A37 lesson schedule. Many people going over now don't have half-days anymore, and they get off late on their last days and have to go in early on their days back. Really tiny, inconvenient weekends. This is a minor point of contention, however, if you'd like to have the flexibility to go around and see things, do things, experience things, (which I definitely think you should do) you may find the schedules kind of crappy. And you'll always work weekends, days off are usually during the week. Again, not a huge deal but to really experience the country the A34 schedule was ace. For example I was off at 5:40pm on my 'Friday' and went in at 1:20pm on my 'Monday' and had two half-days. This provided me with plenty of time for Japanese classes, overnight trips, festivals, nightlife, etc. It was a huge part of my experience in Japan so I'll mention it here. Someone who arrived just after me on the A37, well they got off on their 'Friday' at 9pm, went in at 10am on their 'Monday', and instead of getting half days they had 2/3 days which were kind of useless. I remember one person feeling especially shafted when she saw my schedule and compared it to hers.

Lastly, most schools allow interaction between teachers and students outside of the school, however NOVA is strictly against this (for good reasons I suppose) and will penalize you if you're caught or suspected. I've seen people get the shaft for this. Again, its sound logical, but if you really want to interact with the people, having a drink with your favourite student who you've built a relationship with shouldn't be a crime punishable by death. Just my opinion. Other schools permit interaction with students to my knowledge.

All that aside, NOVA is the easiest way to get into Japan. They do a quick little interview, (a seeing eye dog could pass it), they take care of your Visa, accomodations, getting you settled into your apartment, banking, phone, it's all very user-friendly in the beginning. For the person who needs this level of assistance it's probably the easiest way into Japan.

However I know a few people who went with JET instead and said it was a much much better experience overall. Maybe someone can chime in here and balance this thread out.

To re-cap...(again, just my personal experience)

THE BAD:
1) the rent is higher than it needs to be, 2) the work environment is sales-oriented and not learning-oriented, sometimes unprofessional, and can frustrate you and your students 3) the schedules don't lend themselves to alot of quality free time like they used to. 4) Teacher/student meetings and parties are prohibited.

THE GOOD:
1) easy to get in, 2) easy to settle in, 3) good pay all things considered 4) many locations

Overall though, don't worry too much, I think most schools are fairly equal and competitive in terms of what they offer students and don't differ drastically, the experience is ultimately what you make of it and I encourage you to go over there and do it, whoever you decide to use.

Thats my 窶愿ア窶ー~ ツ、ツ 窶堋ェ窶堙ア窶堙寂?堙≫?堙??ーツコ窶堋ウ窶堋「ツ!
 
wow, thanks a lot bakaKanadajin, really useful info. The thing that concerns me the most, is the scheduling. If i could, i would like to be in a location near Tokyo. But with the type of schedule you said there is now, how would i be able to see the great things of Japan?...Is it still possible to go on over night trips with this kind of schedule?...I know you get some vacation time but on my days off I mean.
I also heard that you cant interact with students but teachers you are allowed.

Thanks Emperor, already read it before I posted
 


I don't know how much leverage you have in determining your schedule beforehand, I'm fairly certain everyone gets dropped into the same bucket and schedules and placements are issued strictly at the discretion of company needs. So in other words you can't really request a sweet schedule for yourself.

There are whats called 'shift swaps' available, so that means if you know someone willing, you can work for them one week (and forego one of your days off) and then have a three day weekend during another week when they work for you. The swap must be done within the same month however, and you have to wait 2 months until you're off your probationary period to start doing them. After getting off probation you're also entitled to two weeks of paid holiday, which is nice.

Also, I'd advise you to go over there with no less than 150,000JPY, the cost of living is fairly high near Tokyo and if you take the NOVA loan your paycheck gets garnished for up to 6 months afterwards, so you don't even make a full paycheck until well into your year. Pay comes on the 15th of every month, once a month, so you have to budget wisely. So, as you can imagine, you'd work from whatever time you arrived until the end of that month.. say July 7th until July 31st. Then the new pay period starts, and you're paid for July on August 15th. So thats July 7th - August 15th where you're living on your own cash. Then on September 15th.. you'd get your pay for the period of August 1st - August 31st. So, again, go over there with some money from mom and dad or some savings if you can, the NOVA 'loan' bites. At least theres no interest.

Other random tips:

- whichever company you go with, get started on your gaijin (landed immigrant) card as quickly as possilble and get TWO blue sheets from your local ward office (temporary status forms) so you can open a bank account and get a cell phone as quickly as possible. Cellphone needs a credit card too I think.

- don't get the phones NOVA offers at orientation, they kinda blow and there are way cooler ones downtown. Go with Vodaphone if possible though, most NOVA teachers go with Vodaphone so it'll be cheaper and easier to e-mail and text them.

- if you can, avoid Shinsei Bank, they're user-friendly and have English services but I found I rarely needed to speak to anyone, and more importantly it was difficult to access my money at times because you cannot use other banks on the weekends. It's not all Interac-like and connected like it is here in Canada, over there you can only use other banks (for a fee) during the week before 9pm. At all other times, to use Shinsei you MUST find a 7-11 and they can be a hassle to track down in unfamiliar parts of town. They only have 3 actual branches, they're an internet bank basically.

Personally, I think NOVA is a great way to just dive-in and see Japan for someone who wants to do it easily and quickly, I had a great time. BUT you have to work to make your own 'Japan' experience, i.e. do shift swaps, put your holiday requests in early (they black-out certain periods around Christmas if you don't put them in early enough). And honestly with the new schedule it is very different, those half-days were essential to me being able to do the things I did (train in marital arts, take Japanese classes, etc.) If they don't offer A34 anymore that would be a huge factor in whether I'd consider going back with them again in the future.

In essence NOVA is generally not interested in whether you're enjoying your experience or not and don't do much for you in that departmen regarding changing branches, shifts, schedules, etc. However, what they do offer isn't so bad. These are of course observations I've made after arriving back here, that's not to say it wasn't a positive experience I'm just being the devils-advocate here. The key is, YOU'RE IN JAPAN!!
 
^^thanks

can someone tell me whats "Additional options are available with our flexi-schedules for those with suitable visas"-from Nova's site.
 
Not having been on the JET Programme I can tell you details about it, however I have been around enough of them to give you a basic idea of JET, plus here is a link to the JET Programme website.

The JET Programme

There are probably some that are going to tell you that NOVA or one of the other big three (4) eikaiwa's have over JET but from I have seen the benefits of the JET Programme outweigh any of the Eikawa's. Better working conditions, better pay, more proper training, better working hours, weekends and holidays off, annual vacation time, full health insurance and pension beneifts, training conferences.

Also you would NEVER have to worry about any sales quota's, you would also be working in the Japanese school system, JHS or HS, some also occasionally teach at ES. The working conditions can not be overstated. Not to put NOVA or any other eikaiwa down here but many JET rejects get hired or apply to them because they couldn't get into the JET Programme.

First off one would need at a minimum a bachelor's degree to apply for JET and the application process can be a bit trying from what people have told me.

This site is also great for any questions that you might have about the Programme as well. This site is for English Teachers or people interested in English teaching topics here in Japan, you may want to check there for a literal abundance of information about the pluses and minuses of both programs.

Good Luck

ELT News Message Board
 
The problems I have heard with JET are that they 1) prefer people who will experience full culture shock, and 2) they sometimes send people to very rural areas miles away from the cities, where everything is.

I haven't applied to JET, but it will be one of the many eikawa I intend to apply to once I finish my MA degree. Nevertheless, I've been told they might reject me because I have two years of Japanese in college.
 
It seems as though JET is simply just trying to create a cultural exchange, seeing as how you can only do JET once then you have to wait awhile to do it again. While NOVA allows you to get as many 1-year contracts as you like.
 
JET and NOVA are 2 completely different animals.

JET puts you in public schools, usually in rural areas, and you are an ALT in classes of 30-40, with your Sat/Sun off.

NOVA is an eikaiwa where you are the solo teacher in classes of 4-5, with pre-planned lessons made for you, and the offices are usually near train stations (easy access).

JET pays airfare. NOVA does not.

JET housing varies; you may full rent, partial rent, or nothing.
NOVA does screw its employees with shared housing, but remember that that 70,000 yen/month also includes utilities (up to a point). Don't want a NOVA apartment? Ok, they'll probably serve as your guarantor for a place of your own. (Just be aware of what that apartment means, even if it is cheaper: you will likely have to furnish everything in it, from light fixtures to appliances to spoons and forks. But, at least it's yours, not shared, and you get to choose the rent.

JET is not without its drawbacks. The visa is an instructor type, so you will have to change it if you want to stay past JET. JET is only available for 3 years (5 in rare cases). Many JET ALTs suffer under the hands of the JTEs, who may have had bad experiences with previous ALTs or just don't like having an assistant around. Many ALTs complain of boredom or underutilization. Rural environments are not for everyone. You may have to drift to several schools, which leads to poor coherency in lessons. You may have to learn a lot more Japanese faster than you'd like (not always a bad thing). You may be required to do more than teach. And, JET only interviews once a year and only in your home country (although you can apply from within Japan).

NOVA has its problems, too, but consider that it interviews you in Japan or abroad, pays standard wages (instead of reduced ones like many places are offering), gives you a teaching format, provides easy to reach classrooms, etc. It's not perfect, either, but don't totally discount it based on reports from complainers who have probably never held a job in their own country.
 
It's not perfect, either, but don't totally discount it based on reports from complainers who have probably never held a job in their own country.

Before I comment further I would appreciate your answering this Glenski, who is that directed towards here on this thread?
 
they dont pay for your ticket to Japan?
 
Obeika,
To nobody and everyone.

Japolak,
NOVA doesn't pay airfare. JET does. Couldn't have made it clearer above.
 
Obeika,
To nobody and everyone.

Ok thank you, it is good advice I think.

Japolak, there are those here in Japan, that think that the teachers that work at NOVA are at the bottom of the barrel, if you know what I mean.

Glenski has given you some very good advice, if you don't believe him check out the link to the ELT site that I gave you earlier, there are plenty of healthy and informative discussions there about this very subject.

Not everyone has a great experience with JET, and not everyone loves working for NOVA or one of the other "eikaiwa's", however the more information you have ahead of time can help you make a wise decision about what you are getting into if you decide to jump either way.

Both can be great experiences, all that matters is how you choose to look at and face the good and bad points of both.
 
Appreciate you posting that link, Obeika. It helped alot!
 
^^thanks

can someone tell me whats "Additional options are available with our flexi-schedules for those with suitable visas"-from Nova's site.
they mean people who can get a work holiday visa. this is a part time schedule. you only work 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. The only people I know with this schedule are australians. I'm not sure who else is able to get this.
 
they mean people who can get a work holiday visa. this is a part time schedule. you only work 4 hours a day, 5 days a week. The only people I know with this schedule are australians. I'm not sure who else is able to get this.

I'm pretty sure Canadians get this as well..
 
instead of making a new thread, ill ask this question here....

with all the things going on with Nova, will it still be up and running in a year or two?
 
Surprised no one mentioned the true differences -
Jet is a government program.
NOVA is a private company.

Ultimately what you are comparing it apples to oranges, they might both be fruit, have seeds, and grow on trees, but the similarities end there.
 
another question for you guys...

do you need some type of teaching certificate before you can do Nova?
 
another question for you guys...
do you need some type of teaching certificate before you can do Nova?

No. You only require a university degree (in anything) so that you can get permission to work in Japan.
 
No. You only require a university degree (in anything) so that you can get permission to work in Japan.

well with Nova you only need 1 year of post secondary education or a college diploma...but thanks for answering my question...
 
well with Nova you only need 1 year of post secondary education or a college diploma...but thanks for answering my question...

Not if you want to stay more than 1 year Nova can say what they want, but they don't get to choose who can stay in Japan.
 

If you apply for ALT, it's probably not good to flaunt your Japanese language skills, especially during the interview. I think your point 1) is really true. They (the program and perhaps the Japanese teachers themselves) apparently don't want fluent Japanese speakers. In fact, if you speak no Japanese, it's probably gonna be better.

Of course, if you have the stereotypical blonde hair and blue eyes, your chances of getting accepted might be a little different.
 
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