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Notion of ALL LOOK SAME (ALLLOOKSAME.com). Is it really true?

Notion of AllLookSame (Alllooksame.com by dyske )

Notion of alllooksame (ALL LOOK SAME) can be a joke, but its unintended impact is neither innocuous, nor negligible. WE all should rethink the site, and ask ourselves if we can be free of racism by mocking and joking about other races that we don't belong to.

Here is a good article on the concept of alllooksame (alllooksame.com).

Source, in case you wonder, is Here.


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I began to wonder if you understand the meaning of Varience... well, if you understand statistics, I guess you won't try that stupid photo comparison again.. I know, I know, it's hard for someone to admit their mistakes, well, how about learn some Japanese and chinese first, and let's resume this discusion 20 yrs later..

warlord

Ainu Japanese
Ainu

Chinese
Cao Kun
warlord

Ainu Japanese vs chinese?.. that just showed that you have no idea about most of the minority groups in east asia. maybe you will use American Indian vs mexicans on your post if there is a discussion about Americans

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Jomon JapaneseItagaki Taisuke, politician
Jomon Japanese in B/W photoes!! you are so funny, can you get me a pic of prehistorically chinese too.
 
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I began to wonder if you understand the meaning of Varience...
Then define it. I would be grateful if you can be more specific.... I remember I cited PCA... Principal component analysis is a part of multivariate statistics dealing with "variance-co-variance matrix" ("not varience", as you spelled wrongly.). Please explain to me what's that about my understanding on elementary statistics(?).
mingo said:
I know, I know, it's hard for someone to admit their mistakes, well, how about learn some Japanese and chinese first, and let's resume this discusion 20 yrs later..
At least tell me what's the mistake I've done. It would be very interesting to know. Sometimes, chinese people has a really nice thing to tell.
For further illustrations, let me post more images for comparisons.
Jomon Japanese

Chinese

Jomon Japanese

Chinese

mingo said:
Ainu Japanese vs chinese?.. that just showed that you have no idea about most of the minority groups in east asia. maybe you will use American Indian vs mexicans on your post if there is a discussion about Americans
Many japanese are mixed with Ainu, and after all, Japanese jomon ethinic is a precursor of Ainu people. Much of genetics showed that Japanese are half jomon and half yayoi.

Fig. 2. Frequency distributions of the eight Y-chromosome haplotypes for the 14 global populations, with their approximate geographic locations. The frequencies of the eight haplotypes are shown as colored pie charts (for color codes, see upper left insert). JP Japanese
Only four Japanese populations exhibited ht1 (defined only by YAP+) at various frequencies (also see Table 1). The highest frequency (87.5%) was found in JP-Ainu, followed by JP-Okinawa (55.6%) living in the southwestern islands of Japan, JP-Honshu (36.6%), and JP-Kyushu (27.9%). The ht2 haplotype (defined by YAP+/M15+) was found in only two males, one each from Thais and Thai-Khmers; ht3 (defined by YAP+/SRY4064-A) was completely absent in the Asian populations examined, whereas Jewish in the Uzbekistan and African populations had this haplotype with a frequency of 28.3% and 100%, respectively. Thus, the YAP+ lineage was found in restricted populations among Asian populations, consistent with previous reports (Hammer and Horai 1995; Hammer et al. 1997; Shinka et al. 1999).
The ht4 haplotype (defined only by M9-G) was widely distributed among north, east, and southeast Asian populations, except for the Ainu. This haplotype was frequent (60.5%) in overall Asian populations (Table 1). Among them, the Han Chinese and southeast Asian populations were characterized by high frequencies ranging from 81.0% to 96.0%. In contrast to ht4, ht5 (defined by M9-G/DYS257108-A) and ht6 (defined by M9-G/DYS257108-A/SRY10831-A) were small contributors to Asian populations. The highest frequency of ht5 was observed in Nivkhi (19.0%) and that of the ht6 in Thai-Khmers (10.8%). The ht5 haplotype is widely distributed among European, Asian, and Native American populations and is proposed to be one of the candidates for founder haplotypes in the Americas (Karafet et al. 1999). Furthermore, high frequencies of ht6 were observed in north Europe, central Asia, and India (Karafet et al. 1999). Thus, the presence of ht5 in Nivkhi may account for the founder effect of peopling of the Americas.
The ht7 haplotype (defined by RPS4Y-T) was also widely distributed throughout Asia with the exceptions of Malaysia and the Philippines, whereas this was absent in two non-Asian populations. The highest frequency of ht7 was found in Buryats (83.6%), followed by Nivkhi (38.1%). Thus, the geographic distribution of ht7 in Asia appears to contrast with that of ht4.
Only eight individuals (1.4%) in Asia belonged to ht8, which was the major haplotype in Jewish population (Table 1). The ht8 haplotype may not be useful for inferring population relatedness among Asian populations because it is defined by no mutations. Additional Y-polymorphic markers such as M89 and M168 (Underhill et al. 2000; Ke et al. 2001) will be needed to investigate details of the formation of modern Asian populations.

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An article studying facial structures of jomon/ainu japanese and chinese.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/171305898v1

Published online before print July 31, 2001, 10.1073/pnas.171305898

Old World sources of the first New World human inhabitants: A comparative craniofacial view
C. Loring Brace*,, A. Russell Nelson*,, Noriko Seguchi*, Hiroaki Oeツ⇒? Leslie Sering*, Pan Qifengツ?キ, Li Yongyi, and Dashtseveg Tumen**
* Museum of Anthropology, University of Michigan, 1109 Geddes Avenue, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; Department of Anthropology, University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY 82071; ツ⇒ Department of Statistics, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; ツ?キ Institute of Archaeology, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, 27 Wangfujing Dajie, Beijing 100710, China; Department of Anatomy, Chengdu College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, 13 Xing Lo Road, Chengdu, Sichuan, People's Republic of China; and ** Department of Anthropology, Mongolian Academy of Sciences, Ulaanbaatar-51, Mongolia

Communicated by Kent V. Flannery, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, June 18, 2001 (received for review January 2, 2001)

Abstract
Human craniofacial data were used to assess the similarities and differences between recent and prehistoric Old World samples, and between these samples and a similar representation of samples from the New World. The data were analyzed by the neighbor-joining clustering procedure, assisted by bootstrapping and by canonical discriminant analysis score plots. The first entrants to the Western Hemisphere of maybe 15,000 years ago gave rise to the continuing native inhabitants south of the U.S.-Canadian border. These show no close association with any known mainland Asian population. Instead they show ties to the Ainu of Hokkaido and their Jomon predecessors in prehistoric Japan and to the Polynesians of remote Oceania. All of these also have ties to the Pleistocene and recent inhabitants of Europe and may represent an extension from a Late Pleistocene continuum of people across the northern fringe of the Old World. With roots in both the northwest and the northeast, these people can be described as Eurasian. The route of entry to the New World was at the northwestern edge. In contrast, the Inuit (Eskimo), the Aleut, and the Na-Dene speakers who had penetrated as far as the American Southwest within the last 1,000 years show more similarities to the mainland populations of East Asia. Although both the earlier and later arrivals in the New World show a mixture of traits characteristic of the northern edge of Old World occupation and the Chinese core of mainland Asia, the proportion of the latter is greater for the more recent entrants.


Fig. 4. A dendrogram based on the samples used to construct Fig. 3, plus a Bronze Age Mongolian group and four others from the Western Hemisphere. (A) The neighbor-joining method was used on 1,000 bootstrap samplings to generate the pattern displayed. (B) The relationships among the groups are also displayed by canonical discriminant function scores. The first discriminant function accounts for 48% of total variation, and the second accounts for 16%.


Fig. 5. The arrows indicate the spread of Levallois point makers eastward across the northern edge of the Old World between 200,000 and 170,000 years ago; the expansion from Southeast Asia to New Guinea and Australia 60,000 years ago; the spread to the northernmost portions of the Old World and the initial entry into the New World 15,000 years ago; and population movements at both the western and eastern edges of the Old World and into the New World after the development of agriculture after the end of the Pleistocene.

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More comparisons to test alllooksame on japanese and chinese
Jomon Japanese
Kuroda Kiyotaka

Chinese
Chen Boda

Jomon Japanese
Chinese
K'ung Hsiang-hsi

Jomon Japanese
Chinese
LiuZhengrong
 
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Jomon Japanese
natsume soseki


Chinese
Peng Dehuai


Jomon Japanese
shozan sakuma



Chinese
Deng Xixian


Jomon Japanese
Taneomi Soejima


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There was an exhibition on jomon (ainu/emishi/ryukyuan) and yayoi japanese. The image below is for the event.



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Jomon Japanese
Takaaki Kato, Prime Minister of Japan


Chinese
Mao Zedong


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Perception of all look same can be an inherent disability to recognize the distinct class of objects.


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Jomon Japanese
Kaneko, Kentaro


Chinese
Name: Wang Ming (1904-1974) a senior leader of the early Chinese Communist Party (CCP)
Birthplace: Anhui
Ethnicity: Han Chinese
 
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Jomon Japanese
Shimanuki Hyodayu

Chinese
Wang Jingwei, Chinese politician and leader

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Jomon Japanese
Soga Sukenori


Chinese
Wu TingFang


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Jomon Japanese
Fujita Kotaro


Chinese
Li Yuanhong


 
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Jomon Japanese
Tanaka Jihei


Chinese
Bai Chongxi

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Jomon Japanese
Shigematsu Midori


Chinese
Wellington Koo


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Jomon Japanese
Komura Jutaro


Chinese
Feng Yuxiang


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Jomon Japanese
Kuroki Tamemoto


Chinese
Kao Lin Wei


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Jomon Japanese
Kuroda Kiyotaka, Prime Minister of Japan


Chinese
Jiyao Tang


Jomon Japanese
Shimanuki Hyoudayu


Chinese
Yan Xishan


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Jomon Japanese
Katu Kaishu


Chinese
Name: Chen Duxiu (1879–1942), founder of Chinese Communist Party (Anhui Patriotic Association)


Jomon Japanese
Wife of Mutsu Munemitsu


Chinese
Li Zongren


Jomon Japanese
Taisuke Itagaki


Chinese
Bai Chongxi


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It is sometimes technically difficult to see certain "Jomon-ness" in all japanese, as there has been massive immigrations into japan from the poor nations like korea and china. Evaluating Japanese faces aren't easy task, and I am not going to exaggerate that you can spot japanese with absolute certainty. On the contrary, Japanese "jomon people, ainu people, emishi people, ryukyu people" are highly mixed with continental migrants over the years. There is usually a sign for japanese to have certain features uncommon in chinese and korean, but it won't be possible if the person's grand-grand father and mother came from korea and china, and grew up like the rest of japanese people.

For a guide to observe the differences, let me cite the konnyaku's analysis.

 
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Jomon Japanese


Chinese
Wang Jingwei


Jomon Japanese
Takaaki Kato, Prime minister of Japan


Chinese
Chen Boda


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Jomon Japanese
shimanuki hyoudayu

Chinese
Li Dazhao


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Let me cite konnyaku's analysis, as I included parts of it in a post above.


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More analysis by konnyaku.


This roundness of the faces have been proven by several cranial studies posted earlier on this thread.

konnyaku said:
Chinese also more frequently have double eyelids and larger eyes that seem to bulge out of their (flat) sockets. Korean people tend to have very small eyes and no eyelid creases.

Images posted shows that chinese tends to have the bigger eyes with flat sockets.


Many chinese indeed has this similarity to south east asian people, and some chinese does look no different from south east asian people, while look of others do look somehow mutated by the colder weathers up in the north of yellow river, and by long-time invasions by mongols and consequent stealing of chinese wives.

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Notion of All Look Same (alllooksame.com by dyske): comment by Maciamo

Let me cite Maciamo's analysis again to further illustrate alllooksame-ness of Japanese, Korean, and Chinese.


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