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biasaf · 14 Apr 2011

日本語は、相手に伝われば『絶対』なんてないから（＾－＾）
どこの言葉も同じだね！要は気持ちです！って、勉強してる人に言っちゃだめか！

^ This.
- 日本語は、相手に伝われば『絶対』なんてないから:
相手 = opportunity, companion
伝われば = to be introduced
『絶対』 = absolutely
なんてない = ??? (could someone explain me this once and for all?)
から = from, since

- どこの言葉も同じだね:
どこ = where
言葉 = language, dialect
同じ = same, identical

- 要は気持ちです
要 = requirement
気持ち = feeling; sensation; mood

- って、勉強してる人に言っちゃだめか
勉強してる = to learn/study
人 = person
言っちゃ= to call ??
だめ = not

Thank you !

Toritoribe · 14 Apr 2011

What is your translation?
In the very first place, have you already learned the grammatical structures, for instance, 伝われば(-ba conditinal clause), どこ～も(interrogative pronoun + も), 勉強してる人(adjectival/adnominal/attributive clause), ～ちゃ/てはだめ(forbiddance) or like that? It's impossible to interpret the meaning of the sentence just looking up each word individually in the dictionary.

biasaf · 14 Apr 2011

Toritoribe said:
What is your translation?
In the very first place, have you already learned the grammatical structures, for instance, 伝われば(-ba conditinal clause), どこ～も(interrogative pronoun + も), 勉強してる人(adjectival/adnominal/attributive clause), ～ちゃ/てはだめ(forbiddance) or like that? It's impossible to interpret the meaning of the sentence just looking up each word individually in the dictionary.

Oh no!
I'm still a beginner
I assume that is the problem then..
By the way, could you explain me the meaning of nantenai?
Could you just translate it for me for now?
I believe I will learn it with time but I don't wanna rush it.
Thank you a bunch
P.S
There is no どこも. I know it means 'No where' but it says どこの..
Or maybe its どこ[の言葉]も ?

Toritoribe · 14 Apr 2011

biasaf said:
There is no どこも. I know it means 'No where' but it says どこの..
Or maybe its どこ[の言葉]も ? :?

Yes. I wrote どこ～も, and not どこも.

biasaf said:
Could you just translate it for me for now?

You're a learner and you said "need help translating". Furthermore, this is the LEARNING JAPANESE section, and not a free translation service.;-)

interrogative pronoun + も
Question words with inclusive meaning
The Question Marker | Learn Japanese

伝われば
General conditionals using 「ば」
Conditionals | Learn Japanese

～なんてない: there's no (such) ~

要は
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/je2/77743/m0u/要/

勉強してる
Using 「～ている」 for enduring states
Other uses of the te-form | Learn Japanese

勉強してる人
Using state-of-being subclauses as adjectives
Subordinate Clauses and Sentence Order | Tae Kim's Guide to Learning Japanese

～ちゃだめ
Using 「だめ」, 「いけない」, and 「ならない」 for things that must not be done
Expressing "must" or "have to" | Learn Japanese

EDIT:
As Mike-san wrote, you, at the very least, need to know the whole explanations in the linked pages above. Those sentences seem to be too advanced for you yet, too.

Mike Cash · 14 Apr 2011

You're not to the point where you can "translate" such text. What you're trying to do is "decode" it. People are reluctant to help in cases like this because you don't yet have the basics and anything and everything would involve long explanations.

It's sort of like a kid who just learned numerals asking people to help him with algebra....there's not much point to it.

biasaf · 15 Apr 2011

That's true.
I know my Japanese is not that advanced now.
It's just that some nice Japanese woman from lang-8 commented with this and obviously she knows Japanese better than me.
In addition, I don't mind learning new things! not at all! (you can see that by all of the questions I'm asking)
But I have been told it is not good for me to over do it...

By the way, after taking a look at your links, it all makes more sense.

- 日本語は、相手に伝われば『絶対』なんてないから:
相手 = opportunity, companion
伝われば = if introduced
『絶対』 = absolutely
なんてない = there is no (such)...
から = from, since

Didn't really get that one..

- どこの言葉も同じだね:
どこ~も = everywhere
言葉 = language, dialect
同じ = same, identical

Didn't understand that one too.. :X

- 要は気持ちです
要は = the point is.. / the most important thing is...
気持ち = feeling; sensation; mood

"The most important thing is the feeling/mood" ?

- って、勉強してる人に言っちゃだめか
ってか [not sure if it's correct for this sentence] = or rather (say); or better (say); or perhaps I should say; I mean
勉強してる人 = person who is studying
言っちゃだめ= must not call

Maybe "You can't describe a person who is studying?" or something like that?

Mike Cash · 15 Apr 2011

You will have more success in learning Japanese if you CALM DOWN and devote time to learning things IN ORDER rather than jumping around like a frog on a hot skillet. You will also annoy people less and receive more help with your questions.

biasaf · 15 Apr 2011

From one point, you say it's a 'Japanese LEARNING forum' not a 'translation forum' and therefor I should learn/ask, and then you say I should stop asking questions because I'm learning too fast!?
She commented on my post on lang-8 what's wrong with me wanting to understand it and reply?
If that's what you call 'annoying' than just don't answer my question instead of criticizing me.

I could easily ask my teacher or go to some other Japanese forum you know..
Sounds good to me.

Thank you Toritoribe for your help! Much appreciated!

Elizabeth · 15 Apr 2011

biasaf said:
From one point, you say it's a 'Japanese LEARNING forum' not a 'translation forum' and therefor I should learn/ask, and then you say I should stop asking questions because I'm learning too fast!?
She commented on my post on lang-8 what's wrong with me wanting to understand it and reply?
If that's what you call 'annoying' than just don't answer my question instead of criticizing me.

I could easily ask my teacher or go to some other Japanese forum you know..
Sounds good to me.

Thank you Toritoribe for your help! Much appreciated!

What on earth did you write at lang-8 that could have prompted such a bizarre response ??

Toritoribe · 15 Apr 2011

biasaf said:
相手 = opportunity, companion

not "opportunity" but "opponent"

biasaf said:
伝われば = if introduced

伝われば is used as more likely （意味が）伝わりさえすれば or "as far as the meaning can be conveyed"

biasaf said:
- どこの言葉も同じだね:
どこ~も = everywhere
言葉 = language, dialect
同じ = same, identical

What do you think about the function of the particle の here, i.e., the relation between どこ and 言葉? You shouldn't ignore it.

biasaf said:
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- って、勉強してる人に言っちゃだめか
ってか [not sure if it's correct for this sentence] = or rather (say); or better (say); or perhaps I should say; I mean
勉強してる人 = person who is studying
言っちゃだめ= must not call

Maybe "You can't describe a person who is studying?" or something like that?

The subject is "I".

Elizabeth said:
What on earth did you write at lang-8 that could have prompted such a bizarre response ??

maybe 日本語は今以て余り巧くありません or 私の日本語はまだ（あまり）うまくありません?

"My Japanese is still not good" | Japan Forum

Glenn · 15 Apr 2011

Toritoribe said:
The subject is "I".

So it isn't the royal "we" (or the royal "you" nowadays, I suppose)? I was interpreting it as "people shouldn't..." rather than "I shouldn't..." but maybe that's because that's more how I would say it in English.

At first I read （意味が）伝わりさえすれば as 意外... Man, did that not make sense! haha

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Glenn

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