Moi Dix Mois

The only Mdm Song I can listen to is Solitude.
When I First Heard Mdm,I thought it was funeral music.
When I listen to it now,It seems like Halloween Music..I'm not Really into Mdm.
In Malice Mizer,Mana's Style Differed..but in Mdm,I find he Just wears,Darker,Blacker,More Gothier looking clothing.
no Doubt Mana is a Gorgeous and So Pretty he makes me Jealous man,But you're Right.

I always thought Juka and Gackt sounded Alike,But maybe that was the whole purpose,To bring some Mm Fans to like Mdm.
 
Now, okay, I still stand firm in that it's Mana's solo project, and he can hug the limelight of it all he wants.
Because his PROJECT members, they don't seem to USUALLY be well known. Like Kazuno and Tohru leaving, I think Kazuno wanted to do his own thing, and Mana let him. Now if Mana tried to force him or threaten him to stay, then he'd be controlling.

So if project members don't like it, they can go. Mana probably won't stop them. In fact, he's probably helped them in letting them be in the project of such a well known person as himself. So, like that, if you don't like the music, just don't listen to it. Ranting about someone's downfalls for numerous posts when obviously not everone's going to agree (you know who you are) is not always needed.
 
yes, this is pointless for their to be such an arguement about Mana's motives on a thread and for it to continue for this length of time. Maybe you could just drop it and discuss your LOVE for all mana's projects......cause i hate it when people argue for so long, it makes the threads seem so tense :(
 
See, I don't view this as an agruement. It's a discussion. Now if people were yelling and swearing right and left, sure yeah agruement but I don't think this is one. Also, this thread was started with the "what do you all think of them?" type thing which invites in ALL views. I think it's unfair to say those apposed have to just shut up about it. But that could just be me.
 
We can discuss and still be nice. :p
People disagree about things like "Mana's motives", but it doesn't really matter. Some people would say, "we can never know them really, anyway, so there's no point in even talking about it", but it's human nature to be curious and speculate about these things and there's no harm in it (unless it becomes spreading untrue rumours, which this thread isn't). 😌 If we didn't speculate on things we know nothing about, hell, most of the content of the j-rock threads would vanish!

It's not necessary to like Mana or his music in order to post here, either. It can become boring if everything is just an agreement-fest, right? Just as long as the opinion is expressed politely and isn't just mindless Mana-dissing, that's OK.

Sniping at each other is a waste of time.

I wish I could say something about the new MdM music, but as I still haven't heard it, I can't. I need to get my *** in gear! 😌
 
No one has to stop disagreeing. I just said it wasn't nessesary all of the time, because it just seemed like Mana was being badgered in the topic. I didn't mean for it to sound like opinions shouldn't be noted, and I'm sorry if it did ^^;
Actually, saying that he shouldn't be badgered as much was my own opinion. So according to you, I should say it if I want to. ^^
So yes. Once more, sounding like their opinions should not be noted was not my intention.

And um...the only new music I know is around is the sample clip at the beginning of the website.
 
I have never been a huge Mana fan. I like him and his style, and the effect that he has had on the Japanese Rock scene is huge, but he really never grabbed my attention. I loved MM both Gackt and Klaha eras, and your correct Malice Mizer had a distinct sound. I remember someone in the Diru thread says that even without hearing vocals just by hearing the music it was a Dir song, thats the same way it was for me with MM, you just instantly knew.

When I heard MDM I thought its okay, but it was just a little bit monotone when You are listening to it you think "Haven't I heard this before" and it gets old. Its like same music, same vocals, just the same. Even though I'm not like a huge Mana fan I really wanted him to suceed because you can't deny the man is a genious. But its like once he found his niche he is afraid to do anything else. Like once he found what he was good at, he didn't want to try anything else but what he knew he could do there is nothing wrong with doing what you feel comfortable with but sometimes Comfort=Safe=Boring.
 
See- I completely disagree. I dont think that he is AFRAID to try anything else. Again, this is why I adore him- He is completely true to himself. The reason that he doesnt do other kinds of music is simple. Those other styles simply aren't HIM. Its not like his style of music is his comfort zone, its just the style that he loves to use. And again, Masaka, you are absolutely correct. If the members of MdM didnt like the way the band worked, they could leave. And Mana obviously wasn't horribly uptight about it either. He said that it was sad that they were leaving, but that he looked forward to their future work. He still supports them, and this was a wonderful way to create a name for themsleves in the J-rock industry. If it wasn't his solo project, then there's no way he would be able to be as in-charge and controlling as he is, but it is HIS solo project. He is the boss, and they knew that going in. And also, some people simply work better with others making decisions for them. Some people just function that way; they are born followers, just as people like Mana are born leaders. Some people dont WANT much control. Now, we dont know Kazuno, Tohru, K, or Juka, but they might have been perfectly fine with that arrangement. And if they werent, then they could leave.
 
Im not talking about him being dictorial, he can be dictorial all he wants it is HIS project, if I am working with a group I act as if Its a group and everyone makes decisions. But if it is something that is MINE I will have complete 100% control over it because it is MINE. So that doesn't bother me. I am just talking about how all the music sounds the same. I am not saying he has to change his style because I personally love his style I am just saying you can still do Gothic Music with heavy european influence But I am just saying change the sound up a little because when I listen to more than one MDM song consecutively I get bored with it.
 
Hyde_is_my_anti-drug said:
Well, since my last posts in here I've come a bit out of my Mana Hater mode so I'll try and say this nicely *glares at certain members (you know who you are)* Yes, the members of Moi Dix Mois probably did know what they were getting into but does that mean it's okay? Not really no. See, MDM wouldn't bother me so much if it was Mana AND Moi Dix Mois kinda like there's Gackt and then there's GacktJOB, ya know? My girlfriend did make an excellent point last night against that however. Because she said it would be hard for that to work since Mana is the Lead Guitarist not Vocalist. But I think that's just thinking inside the box a bit (no offense, darling, you know I love ya) I not only think it could work but it would be cool to see a Guitarist really truly taking center stage. It's never really happened before.
About MDM's music all sounding the same...it's thin ice I'm treding on here so I'm gonna have to be very careful how I put this. Okay, I see MDM's music the same way I see Evanescence's music. Evanescence has found something, a formula, that works well and so that's all they use (just look at "Haunted" and "Hello" the first lines of the opening stanzas' melodies are almost exactly the same) and that is not to say all their songs are the "same" but they all sound similar to each other. Like the Guitar riff used in "Going Under" shows up in all their rock songs just in slightly different variations. MDM is the same for me. Like sometimes I'll be listening to them and think, "Wait, I've heard that beat before" and then I realize I have heard it before...in another of Mana's songs. I've even heard the exact same sound effect used in MDM songs that was used in Malice Mizer's "Baroque." Style is one thing, copycatism is another. I'm not saying Mana's always a copycat but sometimes I'll hear an MDM song and it'll make me so pissed 'cause it sounds like something esle he's done.
But before anyone jumps on me here as well for being "unkind" let me say this. I really believe Mana is going to go down in history with legends such as Mozart, Bach, Chopin, Dvorak, and Tschaikowsky. Because let's face it he is a musical genius. Now does that mean I like everything he's done? No. But then it's near impossible to like everything an Artist has done, I mean, even Chopin had his bad days. :-)
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Nicely said^^ Mozart has his really bad days to... wich lead him to his death.. ^^;;
 
do you eat crapz? said:
yes, this is pointless for their to be such an arguement about Mana's motives on a thread and for it to continue for this length of time. Maybe you could just drop it and discuss your LOVE for all mana's projects......cause i hate it when people argue for so long, it makes the threads seem so tense :(
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This thread is indeed tense.. Myself, I really like Moi Dix Mois, all Malice Mizer eras and personally think of Mana as an Idol.. He is dominating yes, and perhaps a total **** to work with.. but still.. he has lead the bands he has been in to theire glorys..
I am just soo curious to hear the new stuff from MDM and especially of those who joined Heath^^ (x-japan wa saiko desu^^ hehe)
 
Nana007 said:
Im not talking about him being dictorial, he can be dictorial all he wants it is HIS project, if I am working with a group I act as if Its a group and everyone makes decisions. But if it is something that is MINE I will have complete 100% control over it because it is MINE. So that doesn't bother me. I am just talking about how all the music sounds the same. I am not saying he has to change his style because I personally love his style I am just saying you can still do Gothic Music with heavy european influence But I am just saying change the sound up a little because when I listen to more than one MDM song consecutively I get bored with it.
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Well.. Goth is Eurpean^^ But what I like about his style is that he has created a sorta new form of goth..Well...Cradle of Filth does have a sorta similar music style though, but mana put more weight on the classical barouqe sound in it and added clean vocals.. For me it is the form of music I always wished for..and got:-)
When it comes to controlling a band.. I know well of it! Like my band now.. I am the vocalist and I am almoust in total control.. but that is mostly becuase our guitarist can write riffs but not songs.. Me and him compose the songs though, but when we practice, I feel like I am telling them do this do that all the time, but they are compleatly ok with that actually.. Probably the same situation as MDM...
 
I guess they must have left because they weren't happy in the situation. They were free to leave, and they did it.
I hope they have success and produce some interesting music, and Mana finds good replacements!
 
Hyde_is_my_anti-drug said:
"Okay" doesn't normally equel half your band leaving but ya know I'll let that go for Kyo's sake.
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Just got a new guitar player to join the others.. so from now I am letting the writing in theire hands.. Actually sometimes I just dont know what is soo good about dominating a band, but sometimes I do understand..:?
Must be hard for Mana actually.. Coz writing music is very hard work!
 
I'll be in a band soon i think. Well, until are drummer can get a set of drums - and i need a guitar obviously. :D Still bribing mum... :eek: should be getting it either this week or somewhere like next week. in the mean time, i can be an air guitar pro! :D

That's great news about your band!

Mana doesn't also have the problem with writing music. He also has the ..
promotion
stage setting
stage performance
bands fashion, ie - should it be in a lolita gothic style or something else?
what member does what.
where money goes.

that's about it I think. :)
 
Hmmm, I was listening to Pessimiste today while taking my Christmas tree down ( :D ) and enjoying it... 🕺
That song is a bit Schwarz Stein-y!
But Moi dix Mois is a band that I can only listen to a couple of songs in a row.

Has their new stuff (Beyond the Gate, I mean) actually come out yet, or is it still in sample form, so to speak? I'm so behind on all that...
 
Yokan said:
I'll be in a band soon i think. Well, until are drummer can get a set of drums - and i need a guitar obviously. :D Still bribing mum... :eek: should be getting it either this week or somewhere like next week. in the mean time, i can be an air guitar pro! :D

That's great news about your band!

Mana doesn't also have the problem with writing music. He also has the ..
promotion
stage setting
stage performance
bands fashion, ie - should it be in a lolita gothic style or something else?
what member does what.
where money goes.

that's about it I think. :)
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Good luck on the band! Practice well, and I tell you.. there is nothing as good as a great gig! When u see people stagedive and go crazy for you.. just makes me all exited and feel great!
And I know soo well of those problems!
But since I have my gift of being born creative, I manage to solve them before the problem occures(sp)^^
I am so glad that I study Commercial, Illustration and design^^
If I dont succeed in music or fashion, I soo want to rigg up and make ideass for stageshows ect^^
 
Their new album comes out the first of March. And I can understand what you're saying about the music sounding so similar, because Mana-sama does kinda have the Evanescence syndrom sometimes. Its different enough that it doesn't bother me at all, but I can understand where you're coming from. On a random note- I just got their European tour on dvd a few days ago, and it's so awesome!^^ I feel sorry for Juka though, because it seems that his ear-piece wasn't working right for most of the performance... @_@ And K is beginning to grow on me too; he used to scare me...>_<
 

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