Memoirs of a Geisha filming in Kyoto

There's plenty of evidence that even Asian people can't distinguish Korean, Chinese, and Japanese people just based on their facial features. Usually, the true distinguishing characteristics are things like fashion, hairstyles, gestures, etc. Even though many people refuse to believe this, it's true.
 
RinniGal said:
you are being ignorant right now. you're not reading what she said. all she is saying is that she cant tell the difference between a british, french, german, norwegian, etc. i can barely do it. (i get confused with many white races, and i'm not fullblooded, i'm half hispanic.)
She's saying she wouldnt be offended if a chinese actress took place of japanese in a role, because it's still getting done. Be happy. Not picky.
anyways, why get all prissy over the casting in a movie? why use casting as a means of segregation? zhang ziyi is a popular asian actress in america and they casted her for that reason, NOT TO PISS YOU OFF! They prolly don't expect this movie to sell like Matrix, cause it's not a very known story or has people drop kicking and punching each other, so they are going to use the actors to help and sell it. Tell me a full cast of japanese only actors for this movie that are good with english and popular in america.

Did you even read what I said? I didn't think I'd have to go into an IN DEPTH explination of this.

Alright - here goes.

When I first stated:

"Why couldn't the cast be more Japanese? I swear - if I didn't know any better I'd say it's because most western people can't tell the difference between chinese, japanese, korean ... etc. urgh. makes me angry!"

I left a lot of room for "reading into it". Then I read the response by Sally_Hawn which said:

"Anyway, since I couldn't tell the difference between Finn, Dutch, Swiss and Norwegian, I don't get upset with Americans who can't tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese and Koreans."

Now I took that as it was stated. She can't tell the difference between those groups - so why get upset with americans who can't tell the difference between asians? WHICH IS FINE. I completely understand what she is coming from - and I agree with her! which is why I POSTED AGAIN saying:

"Maybe I explained myself wrong.

I mean I can't stand it when people are just like: Oh they are all asian. therefore they are all the same.

That's just ignorance.

I don't expect EVERYONE to be able to tell the difference. But to just be like "they're all the same, whatever" is just plain stupidity. And I hate that."


... because what I originally meant was:

I don't like it when people are just like: "oh, they're all asian. they're all the same."

It's fine when people make mistakes and assume someone's korean and they're chinese or something. I mean, my God! we're all human, aren't we? But when people are just like: "oh, whatever. all those asians are alike. It doesn't matter if they are chinese, japanese, whatever."

now, that's stupidity. and ignorance. or at least that's how i view it. that's like saying: oh, he's Indian? Hindu, Iraqi, Muslim.. whatever they're all the same thing.

I don't expect people to be able to tell the difference, I mean I CAN'T myself! I don't think ANYONE can! But to just GROUP these people by their eye shape or skin color and just say "they're all the same" ... it's just stupid. They're NOT the same, obviously. There are HUGE differences. It's insulting to say "they're all the same."


SO in conclusion, RinniGal, I was not throwing punches at Sally_Hawn at all or being "ignorant" toward her post. I only meant to clarify myself so people like YOU wouldn't get the wrong idea. I wasn't trying to call her "wrong" or anything! Because I agree with her! I understood what she was saying - which is why I re-posted. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in that one either. I just didn't realize I had to S-P-E-L-L IT OUT for people.

Alright. I'm done! 👍
 
Geez it's just a film...not like anyone goes apeshit when an American plays an English character o_O

As long as the actor plays the part well, who cares ???
 
wintersweet said:
There's plenty of evidence that even Asian people can't distinguish Korean, Chinese, and Japanese people just based on their facial features. Usually, the true distinguishing characteristics are things like fashion, hairstyles, gestures, etc. Even though many people refuse to believe this, it's true.
Yes true, it's impossible for us to distinguish Japanese, Chinese, Korean etc. only by looking at the face. But we can easily tell by a person's fashion style, hairstyle, gestures, make-up, way of talking etc. Only by looking at the face it's rather luck than anything else. While some look typical Chinese, and in fact are, others are not. Regarding the size of China, the sheer number of people, where they've spread and mixed with - it is obvious they are far from homogeneous (no ethnicity is).

We tried but we all failed miserably:
AllLookSame

"We" that's Mainland-Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Vietnam-Chinese - and our average score was 7.5 points.

And I agree with the apeshit - after all it's just a film ;-)
 
I wasn't upset or offended at all. Actually I like o0fishOo's posts as much as RanniGal's, wintersweet's, Gaki's and rakuten's.

By the way, Happy New Year everybody!

Oops! I just broke a rule by posting off-topic stuff.
 
I'm glad you weren't offended Sally Hawn, because that really wasn't my intent at all! I would have felt awful if you thought I was "down-talking" you or anything! (I'm really not like that at all ... until my temper is provoked ... -_-;; )

(Happy new year to you too!! :) and everyone else for that matter!)

Personally, I'm not *super* upset over the cast (not enough to go apeshit lol my previous post was reguarding the "difference between ethnicities" not the cast being mainly chinese ... although it seems like it's all blown out of proportion now .. but whatever. lol) - just semi disappointed. But I'll just have to see how the film comes out before passing judgment on it. I'm sure it'll be great - because I'm usually never accurate on judging how a film is before it comes out ...

... for example, I was *really* worried about how The Last Samurai would come out - but they did a very decent job with it (or so I felt.)

All in all, I still can't wait to see this movie. I liked the book - and I hope they stay accurate to it.
 
Character mismatching

I was on the set filming here in California for Memiors and Zhang Zi Yi definitely was concerned about her being a Chinese person portraying a period Japanese geisha. However, I think she was more concerned about her accent as she spoke the lines. Both her and Michelle Yao were nice. As far as ANOTHER asian ethnicity playing SOME OTHER asian ethnicity I have no problem. At least it's not some dumb-assed white guy portraying a slow moving "kung fu" guy from China. It's a hollywood movie people - don't fret. It's got a huge budget and it's professional. It's going to be a big hit. I guarantee you that the ONLY people complaining about Zi playing a japanese girl are going to be OTHER asians.
The fact of the matter is, non-asians don't know NOR do they care. The movie will appease the masses and especially the asiaphilles that love a good yarn. After all, this movie was written by one...

-7bits
 
i love the fact that there is coming a movie about the book!!!

however, im not a fan of hollywoord productions with this type of storys....
 
i second that by Dutch Baka.
Its awesome they are making it and i really wanna see it because the book was great. but yeah not a fan of the hollywood stuffies
 
is it ???? COOL,, i really want to see it... i hope that besides the acteurs they took ( sorry i care about that) that the didnt changed the story line!!!!! well besides the movie there is the BOOK,, and the book is just great....

fiction okay.... but story's like this about geisha's happend ?????
 
I've got two friends who were extras for the filming in California, I might have to give the book a look now, seems interesting.
 
does anyone know if it will be released in Australia? I am currently reading the book and went online and found the trailor for the movie which i think looks really good.
I really want to see it
 
Saw the trailer the other day online and it looks very exotic and engrossing. I'll definitely have Geisha on my must watch movie list for December!
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got the release dates:


Country Date
USA - 9 December 2005
Japan - 10 December 2005
Italy - 16 December 2005
Sweden - 25 December 2005
Argentina - 29 December 2005
Poland - 13 January 2006
Spain - 13 January 2006
UK - 13 January 2006
Germany - 19 January 2006
Singapore - 19 January 2006
Switzerland - 19 January 2006 (German speaking region)
Finland - 20 January 2006
Netherlands - 26 January 2006
France - 1 February 2006
Belgium - 8 February 2006
Czech Republic - 23 February 2006
Bulgaria - 26 February 2006
 
I read this book when I was year 8.. The book was so interesting at first but it got boring in the middle.. cool... I'll be back in Singapore at that time.. Hopefully I can watch this movie... So looking forward to it
 
I'm looking forward to seeing the movie, even though I haven't heard the best reviews about the book. Over in the states, a beauty brand named Fresh cosmetics made a big deal about the release of the movie by debuting a line of products devoted to the movie. It all smells pretty good actually!
They made a vegetable soap, an eye, cheek, and lip palette, bath wash, rice face wash, a face mask, a gift set, and an eau de parfum in both a small and a large size. However, everything is expensive.
I was out with one of my friends in Bath and Body Works and they were selling the Memoir of a Geisha line and I almost fainted when I saw the prices!
The soap set went for $19.50, the small fragrance was $18.50, the large version was $48, the palette sold for $38; as far as the face wash and mask, I can't recall. The gift set was $38 and it included the small fragrance, the soap, and some other things. It was more worth to buy that than everything separate!!

If anyone would like to check it out, go to Sephora.com and search for "Fresh" and in the product search put in "Memoir of a Geisha." Hopefully something will come up!
 
I am looking forward to this movie for two reasons, first of all, I have read the book and i thought it was very good, and it ***COULD*** be made into a good movie if hollywood dont screw it up.

Second and most importantly, i am meeting someone very dear to me in january, and we shall be seeing this movie together, so i am more then willing to see it even if it is going to be a bad movie for just this one thing :D
 
I too am greatly looking forward to this movie but partly because I can't manage to get into the book and am therefor hoping the movie is better. I find the book a bit dry so I'm hoping this movie'll be like the Lord of the Rings movies and breathe some life into this story. No offence to anyone who likes the book Memoirs of a Geisha or the Lord of the Rings books.
And actually when I saw pics for Memoirs the first thing out of my mouth was, "Hey, wait, she doesn't look Japanese" there's just small differences in eye shape and bone structure. Sometimes I can't tell the diff but for the most part I'm very good at it. And one of the things that makes telling a difference hard is a lot of people are mixed nowadays.
I don't get offended when people ask me if I'm Chinese because it's really not an insult and most people just don't know enough to know the difference. I don't really care that they've got a Chinese Actress in the role, I think it's good. Just as long as the dialect is kept in check it doesn't really bother me. But when cross-race casting bugs me is when an American Actor is playing a Brit (or the other way 'round) and the dialect is all off and you're left thinking, "Accent. Accent. Accent." now THAT is bothersome.
And the girl that was cast doesn't look to "Un-Japanese" which is the complaint I've heard the most of about the movie, it's really only her eyes and jaw-line that give it away and it's not that bad people.
But I can see how this type of casting would seriously bug some people. But I really don't think its that big of a deal.

But yeah, I really want to see the movie and even if I didn't my mom's co-worker would still be dragging me to it anyway so yeah :-)
 
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