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Sorry, I do not know of any off the top of my head. There should be more than a few though. This is where your Google skills will come in handy.
Sorry, I do not know of any off the top of my head. There should be more than a few though. This is where your Google skills will come in handy.Do you know a school that exclusively teaches Japanese language for 20+ hours a week? Do you know any schools that are not insanely or prohibitively expensive?
Nothing wrong with finding a legitimate way to enter Japan and stay here a few years. The problem, which you don't seem to be catching (and for which you blame our "negativity" instead) is that you really don't seem to have much in the way of "personal goals". All I've seen is that you want to live here and do your online business. When pressed as to why Japan, you only said: "Because I could literally do it anywhere, and then digitally distribute my product worldwide, but I want to relocate to Japan for a while and learn Japanese."What is wrong with looking for a legitimate, legal way to get into the country that lines up with my personal goals?
Apparently you have not read many threads. We get people wanting to come teach English all the time. Some have solid reasons, some want a backdoor to come in for not so solid reasons. But we gladly give advice all the same. For those who don't seem to be taking it seriously, we react appropriately in a negative way, but they are usually the ones who start the downhill trend of the thread.Would you guys really give so much trouble to someone who only wants to go to Japan, and decides to teach English in Japan to do it?
(...)you really don't seem to have much in the way of "personal goals". All I've seen is that you want to live here and do your online business. When pressed as to why Japan, you only said: "Because I could literally do it anywhere, and then digitally distribute my product worldwide, but I want to relocate to Japan for a while and learn Japanese."
This is a pretty weak excuse. It doesn't answer why Japan vs. any other country (for living here).
It doesn't say why you want to learn Japanese (which you could do for far less effort and expense in the States).
Then you seemed to think of an alternate response, as if to placate us with an altruistic nature:
"How about the fact that either way, I'd be spending my American-made money in another country on rent, food, transportation, etc.? How is this not beneficial to Japan?"
I don't for one minute think you have any aims to benefit Japan's economy with your product.(...)
With regard to a student visa, you seem to have a slightly off way of thinking:
"I read that you have to have 20+ hours a week as a student, and I already have a bachelor's degree. Do you know a school that exclusively teaches Japanese language for 20+ hours a week? Do you know any schools that are not insanely or prohibitively expensive?"
It makes no difference whatsoever that you already have a bachelor's degree! A student visa can be used either for study at a HS/college or a language school (read: language business). The simple fact that those are businesses should up front suggest that they know how many hours are needed to sponsor a student visa. Twenty hours per week is only 4 hours a day in a 5-day system. Peanuts. Please don't expect us to do your research on language schools now. I'm tired of this thread. Do more for yourself. If you ever do get here, I get the feeling you'll want many people to do many things for you, too. Start now. The info on language schools is widely available.
Wow - this is still going. I would restate the last few comments like this:
"There are rules, but I don't want to follow them. How can I come to Japan?"
As people who have done this before, Like Wonko and myself, it is possible, but takes time, effort and money. And follow the rules.
True! You never pointed them out. Problem is, you were asked for that info, hence my complaint. Don't be so butt-hurt over it.You don't really know me or what my goals or motivations are
I'll be honest here. I really don't know if you're serious about that guess. Your wording isn't that clear. If I hit the mark, big whoopie. It is a common reason for people to come.such as how I'm a huge anime nerd (good job on guessing that, out of a ton of guesses, by the way)
You don't, but you are asking us to give advice on a 2-4 year plan of moving around the world to start a new job and life. It is just reasonable that you'd have a simple reason for not doing that where you live now, and for choosing country X. I'm sorry that you don't get it.Why do I need an "excuse" to want something in life?
I haven't gotten anything yet to be judgmental about.Don't be so judgmental.
But in order to give some advice, it's necessary to ask some basic questions. Asking why you want to move here for 2-4 years is pretty basic. You're blowing this way out of proportion.I'm just here for help, not the 3rd degree.
No, I don't hate those people. Wrong guess.What are you some kind of gamer or anime hater? What did these types of people ever do to you? And what makes you are so special that you think you are better than them?
To the latter question, nope. To the former, I will say that I am here often and try to give the most accurate advice that I can, yes. That usually means getting the OP to divulge more information than they start the thread with.Do you treat everyone on these forums this way? Or do you have something against my name or avatar?
You might want to look back on what you just responded to. I tried to say that it makes no difference if you have a degree or not, if what you intend to do is get a student visa. Full stop. Period. I did not intend to mean that it makes no difference which language school you choose, because I know full well how expensive they are. Hell, I used to work at one! I expect an apology over your blowup here.It DOES make a HUGE difference, as I don't want to spend a ridiculous amount of money and time on excessive education. If you BOTHERED to read my other posts, you'd ALREADY KNOW THAT.
And once again, you totally misread my point about doing research. I did not mean about visas; I meant about the cost of specific language schools.And what makes you think I didn't already do research? I called the Immigration Bureau directly for crying out loud!
We've been here far longer than you! Think about it.If you are jerks like this to everyone who asks for help, you really are just working towards killing this forum community.
In a nutshell, you want to come thousands of miles away to a land where you don't read/write/or speak the language nearly fluently, set up an online business, and live for 2-4 years. Your options (in another nutshell) are as follows:Just because I don't want to use a typical student visa or full-time job visa, does NOT mean I'm trying to break some rule, law, or regulation.
If you're having so much trouble explaining yourself to strangers on the internet, imagine how much fun it'll be when you're trying to convince an immigration officer to let you come live in their country. The reason we seem to be giving you such a hard time is because if you aren't prepared to answer these questions you'd never get your foot in the door.You don't really know me or what my goals or motivations are, and even if you don't agree with any of my reasons, such as how I'm a huge anime nerd (good job on guessing that, out of a ton of guesses, by the way) I still want to go to Japan. Why do I need an "excuse" to want something in life? Do you have a reason that justifies all of your behavior that everyone on the internet (or anywhere else) is just going to agree with? Didn't think so. Don't be so judgmental. It's my life here, not yours. I'm just here for help, not the 3rd degree.
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Let me clue you in on something. Having been on forums for longer than 2/3 of your life, I have a lot of experience with nice posters, lost posters, confused posters, and irate irrational ones. This thread is a very typical one where the OP doesn't provide enough for people to go on, then goes on a crying fit when cornered for the info. (...) Some never do give the info needed, so we can't help. It's a real downhill ride once the pleasantries have turned to providing real crucial answers. We're there now.
(...) Hell, I used to work at one! I expect an apology over your blowup here.
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We've been here far longer than you! Think about it.
If you're having so much trouble explaining yourself to strangers on the internet, imagine how much fun it'll be when you're trying to convince an immigration officer to let you come live in their country. The reason we seem to be giving you such a hard time is because if you aren't prepared to answer these questions you'd never get your foot in the door.
If you want to stay in Japan for an extended period of time, a language school remains the easiest way to get a visa, and if you aren't already fluent in Japanese then it also provides you with an additional benefit of helping you level-up an essential skill for living in Japan. I went to a language school for a short while in China and it was a good experience with plenty of free time to explore and work on my own projects.
You're exhibiting a relatively thin skin if the light prodding you're getting in this thread is enough to get you so defensive. You're going to need to toughen up and learn some humility if you expect to have any success in Japan. Consider for a moment that the people on this thread have made themselves available to answer your questions, which have been asked many, many times before. And when you don't like their beleaguered answers, you tell them their time would have been better spent elsewhere and that their presence is somehow bad for their online community...
Make no mistake: just as you are a guest here in this forum, no matter how much money you sink into a business venture in Japan, you will be a guest there too. If this is how you act as a guest, maybe Japan isn't for you.
I'll stand by what I said, and no, I don't think we're being jerks.
While heading home last night I happened to think of this again, and how I live here in Japan. What struck me is the chasm between your expectation and wants of coming here to live versus the reality. The place is about following rules, being polite and considerate and society first - not the individual.
Come as a tourist sure, but I do not understand why you want to live here (and I don't need to know.)
Your profile says you are 32. Did you lie? I have only that and your presumed honesty to go by. That's how I made my determination of 2/3 of your lifetime.First off, you don't know how old I am
It's an explanation, not an excuse. I have nothing to say excuse me for. You've only been on this site under your current avatar for 8 posts since March 12, so I thought I should give you some background on what we've seen here. Doesn't matter if you've been on other forums. This one is the one you seem to have problems with, so the explanation was for your benefit.So what is this "seasoned veteran" excuse?
Well, the 3 or 4 that I have visited certainly are, especially when newbies don't follow their rules about providing enough information to give them something to go on. Firsthand experience there. So, yours is lacking.A technical support forum for computer help, for example, would simply not have much of this opinionated, judgmental tone
Trolls are taken down by the admin here in short order, so I hope you aren't calling any of us trolls. As for the first remark, let's review this thread. Look back on page 1. I gave you multiple nice answers, as did others. The first sign of a problem was when you misread Wonko's post and said: "Ah, my bad, I mixed this up with the 5mil. I guess you are meeting all those requirements, after all."this opinionated, judgmental tone that many of you have exhibited. Usually it's just one or two trolls trying to start arguments.
Sticks and stones. Predictable juvenile response that we've seen before. I'm big enough to ignore it. Pretty freaking low and petty of you to write that, though, considering you just got some good info from me and asked for more.I am not apologizing because you were unnecessarily being a jerk, and if you have to tell someone not to be butt-hurt or have a thin skin, that just proves how much of a jerk you are being. Think about it.
I think most of the people would disagree with you, otherwise we wouldn't have reached this level of discussion.I'm really not having trouble explaining myself.
Does he have to address only the business visa aspect of your desire to come here? What's wrong with the other advice he's offered? And, it's very clear that you don't know why he responded (to help you in any way he can).And honestly, if you don't know much about business visas, I don't know why you'd try responding to this thread.
But he's not doing it for that reason! You didn't really catch what he explained, either. It's not "group-think" that he pointed out will get you in trouble here. It's the strict adherence to rules, or as he put it: "he place is about following rules, being polite and considerate and society first". So it's rather ironic that you berate people for not reading!I know very well Japanese society is largely about group-think. That's all well and dandy but it's really not an excuse to berate a newcomer just for the sake of berating a newcomer.
I think the half dozen or so of us veterans here have been perhaps a little faster to try nipping problems in the bud than say a decade ago, but we are not "acidic", no. As for your second question, is it my week to guard the answers, or yours?@Glenski, do you think our tone has gotten a little acidic over the years, or is everyone who wants to move to Japan, sight unseen, equally thin-skinned when they're asked for the context of their desire and goals. Are we jerks for jealously guarding the answers to their questions but telling them they aren't asking the right questions?
This part isn't true. It's not at all unusual. Lots of people have taken umbrage over the years. If you search the archives you'll see this exact flow hundreds of times. Every day is groundhog day here. Except the diaper loving guy that wanted a tattoo. A gem like that thread makes it worthwhile to come back.The reaction on this one thread, is unusual and you would be better quitting it IMO. Spend you time more usefully getting professional advice that you will have to pay for.
I didn't have to repeat this, but that last jag of a post seemed to call for it. Look at this carefully and compare to your last 2 posts, Gamer.Having been on forums for longer than 2/3 of your life, I have a lot of experience with nice posters, lost posters, confused posters, and irate irrational ones. This thread is a very typical one where the OP doesn't provide enough for people to go on, then goes on a crying fit when cornered for the info. Some people want the impossible, then complain, call us names, and stomp off the forum vowing to show us all who's who (and never coming back to prove it). Some think they can find a loophole instead and insist on it. Some never do give the info needed, so we can't help. It's a real downhill ride once the pleasantries have turned to providing real crucial answers. We're there now.