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Learning kanji (and surviving it)

thesuker

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So, a friend and I are learning japanese together using the Genki books, which I have to say are surprisingly good. We've now arrived at a lesson where they start introducing verbs and kanjis. So, my doubt is: should we follow the book and learn the kanjis in it, or would it be a good idea to learn them independently?
 
I would say for the time being, since you're basically still starting out, stick with following the book.

You can always learn kanji independently, and indeed eventually you will have to. But for now, it's probably better to have the structure that the book provides.
 
Indeed, as an introduction to kanji you can start by learning the characters provided in the books, especially since these are then used in the reading exercises that follow (without furigana).

That said, I followed the Genki books as well and learned the ~300 kanji that they teach, and found that I was spending a lot of (futile) effort trying to make them stick. Since then I've been learning from KanjiDamage with much better results - both in learning speed and in recall. The suggested mnemonics are sometimes a bit crude, but the decomposition into radicals and the ordering of the characters really help. Not to mention that it's really, really pragmatic.
 
To be totally honest with you I fully believe that learning individual kanji is 100% useless and a waste of time.

I've only taken two semesters of college level Japanese, but from my experience you would save yourself tons of stress and time if you just focused on learning the words that kanji are used in. So for example, I would never try to just learn 暖 by itself, because you will never see that kanji by itself anywhere except in a textbook. Instead, I would learn the word 暖かい, what it means, how it's pronounced, and of course how to write the kanji within it.

As for learning to write the kanji, I've just gotten to the point of breaking it into smaller pieces and learning to write those small pieces quickly and easily. Not necessarily focusing on radicals on purpose, like their meanings or anything, but just what they look like. For example, in the example above, 暖, just by glancing at it, I can see it has the shapes of the kanjis 日 and 友 built into it. Since I can already draw those two kanji easily, then I know I can draw this one pretty easily as well. Learning how to write new kanji builds upon itself and once you becoming familiar with more and more shapes, you find it easier to write new ones you learn. Soon you won't have to go stroke by stroke anymore. Instead you can see more complex kanji as just a combination of a few kanji that you already know.

Learning vocabulary (in context!!!) is a hundred times better than learning a kanji on its own, because it actually adds something useful to your Japanese language bank. Now, instead of knowing some random symbol, an abstract discription of it, and a couple of *possible* pronunciations, you'll know an actual word that you can actually use in a sentence. For context, I use manga. I read manga that has furigana so I can easily look new words up the a dictionary app I have on my phone, then I save the new words into the built in flashcard part of the app and study it until I know it (if you have an iPhone the app is simply called "Japanese" and it is AMAZING! it's $8 but worth every single penny & this is from someone who NEVER used to pay for apps!). After learning the meaning of the words (focusing on the definition that fits with the context I found it in) I go back and reread the manga, further solidifying my knowledge of the words and of course giving myself a REASON to remember it. Context helps things stick 100x better. The app also has an animation of how to write the word's kanji stroke by stroke if you need that too.

I've only read a little of the Genki 1 textbook (it's different than the one we used in my college classes) so I haven't yet gotten to the Kanji part. But if it's anything like the one I used, it's probably set up to where you learn each individual kanji and there will be a few examples of how it's used. If I were you, I'd learn the stroke order just to learn how to properly write these beginning kanji, then focus on the WORDS. Don't try to learn the onyomi or kunyomi by itself. Go ahead and glance at the "meaning" of the individual kanji (for example, in the dictionary in my phone, 暖 means "warmth") but DON'T try to memorize it. Just go for the actual WORDS, the meanings of those WORDS, and how the kanji is pronounced in those WORDS (so learn that 暖かい is pronounced "あたたかい", and that it means warm or genial and is used to describe weather.)
 
While I agree with just about everything you said, I can't go along with this:

So for example, I would never try to just learn 暖 by itself, because you will never see that kanji by itself anywhere except in a textbook.

since I have seen it by itself, and not in textbooks. (Your point is very valid; you just unwittingly chose a poor example to illustrate it with).
 
While we are taking about Genki.. I want to purchase one of the books to help me along my study but I am unsure which one. I saw a first edition and a second one. Which one should I get?
 
While we are taking about Genki.. I want to purchase one of the books to help me along my study but I am unsure which one. I saw a first edition and a second one. Which one should I get?

I would compare the prices for the text and the associated CD and workbook then get whichever fit my budget. If I couldn't find all three from the first edition I would go with the second edition.
 
While I agree with just about everything you said, I can't go along with this:



since I have seen it by itself, and not in textbooks. (Your point is very valid; you just unwittingly chose a poor example to illustrate it with).

Oh? I was rushing when I wrote that & only going off my own prior experience. Haha my bad.
 
I would compare the prices for the text and the associated CD and workbook then get whichever fit my budget. If I couldn't find all three from the first edition I would go with the second edition.

Thanks
 
だん【暖】
あたたかみ。
「暖を取る〔=燃えている物や熱い物に近づいたりなどして、からだをあたためる〕
 
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