Chinese and Koreans aren't "other races." And frankly it's silly for the Japanese to continue looking down on them. I've been to all three countries plus Taiwan, and it's really a wash between them. They all feel pretty similar.This is a VERY interesting topic in my opinion. I did see a tendency that some Japanese people tended to look down on Chinese and Koreans as lower, but even my exposure to this was rather limited.
He/she must be a good magician to read someone's mind.I have read in several places that the Japanese tend to be xenophobic and that some even wish that all foreigners would leave the country (of course, they don't vocalize these opinions).
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This guy is full of himself and clearly isn't familiar with Korea and China, aside from quoting a few second hand opinions. The main difference among the three countries is socioeconomic and has little to do with culture. If you look at the middle class locals in Shanghai and Beijing, they behave very similar to the Japanese. The problem is when you go to these cities, you also mistake the poor migrants there for the locals. This is especially true for China, but in due time the migrants will assimilate and rise socioeconomically.an indian said..
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But China is huge, even if all of Shanghai area were developed, it would account for just 2% of population, while once Tokyo-Yokohama was developed, it accounted for 1/3 to 1/2 of the population. This is also why South Korea has been able to develop so quickly (1/2 of population live in and around Seoul).
It just shows that Chinese people are at least honest enough to be self-critical of their country. Every Chinese I met in China knows China is poor and behind, but they are hopeful for the future. How about you though? What do you think of the rotting concrete jungle that is Japan? What do you think of Kyoto today as compared to the brochures? What do you think of rows and rows of middle aged Japanese men in suits in Pachinko parlors at 10:30 at night? What do you think of the education system in Japan? the sexism? What do you think about Japan's two decades recession? Maybe something is wrong?中国人与外国人的区别
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Tokyo vs. Shanghai: A style standoff
by Kaori Shoji, NYT
There's no doubt about it, Shanghai is now the most exciting city in East Asia, usurping Tokyo's position as No. 1.
Says Kenta Mitsui, a 29-year-old photographer who moved from Tokyo two years ago: "I stand on a street corner back home and, well, it's just a street corner. In Shanghai, the streets are so vibrant, buzzing with energy, it's like the very air is reprimanding me for daring to just stand there. I should be working, going out, making tons of money, whatever, something, ANYTHING! That's the air you breathe in Shanghai."
Mitsui is one of a growing number of Japanese artists who have abandoned Tokyo and bypassed New York and Paris to put their money on Shanghai.
"In eight more years,"Mitsui predicts, "Shanghai will have outdone Tokyo in everything from fashion to music to art, and let's not even discuss architecture."
While that still remains to be seen, it's true that Tokyo's fashion and design industries can no longer afford to turn a blind eye to Shanghai's colossal influence.
Mito Yokokawa, who had worked for a Japanese apparel company and now lives in Shanghai as a media consultant-interpreter, says: "I think the Japanese woman has a lot to learn from China, particularly a city like Shanghai, where the women are attractive, strong-minded and bursting with confidence. Before, Tokyo fashion had been a lot about blending influences from the catwalks of Paris and Milan into generic brands, but I have a feeling that will change."
Indeed, Japanese fashion magazines now routinely carry articles about Shanghainese methods of makeup and style while exhorting the nation's women to adopt Chinese traditional tips on beauty maintenance. (Apparently, it's the tea. Tea, tea, tea!)
Yokokawa says she never ceases to be amazed by the perfect skin textures andthe well-defined, statuesque physiques of Shanghai women as opposed to Japanese women, whose physiques tend to be flat and uninteresting. "And Chinese women are more energetic, vibrant, strident. As a Japanese living in this city, I'm always kept on my toes."
The Japanese textile manufacturer Itokinfeels the same way. While there's nothing new about a Japanese apparel company setting up in China, Itokin has taken the formula a step further to create its very own, Chinese- Japanese brand called Sujet. Scheduled to be started this month, Sujet is helmed by the Shanghainese designer Jonii Ma and Yuma Koshino, scion ofthe Koshino family - of the London- based designer Hiroko Koshino. It aims to create a clothing line that would match the tastes of urban, professional women in both Shanghai and Tokyo.
Ma, who speaks flawless Japanese and has been working in Tokyo for the past 10 years, says the time is ripe for just this sort of brand to hit the two cities.
"Asian fashion has always been about looking young, cute and desirable well into one's 30s," she said. "I think we're a little tired of that. Sujet targets working women in the crucial years between 28 and 38, when they're super- busy trying to balance work, family, marriage, childbearing ... and still continue to look and feel beautiful! I hope this brand will allow these women to feel pampered and privileged and, at the same time, empowered."
In the meantime, Itokin will have totaled its number of outlets across China to 350 during the year.
Ma, who herself is the epitome of East Asian chic (she favors her own creations combined with Viktor & Rolf), flew to Shanghai from Tokyo, with a staff comprising some of Japan's most prominent advertising talents. They were to decide on a model to represent Sujet, and an audition that promised the winner 450,000 yuan, or about $56,000, was held in the Shanghai Itokin building. The prize went to a local model called Jin Jin, who at 23 already owned two condos and looked upon modeling as a business venture.
"We're happy with the result," said Hideki Nakashima, the art directorwho was hired by Itokin to create Sujet's publicity stills. "Both the brand and Jin Jin speak of East Asia in the 21st century in a way that's beyond the prowess of the purely Japanese version. Frankly, I think we should see more of this sort of integration-collaboration going on."
Nakashima professed himself dazzled by the leaps-and-bounds progress of Shanghai, the general feeling of anything goes. "In Tokyo, the creator is hampered by red tape, laws written and unwritten, plus rigid codes of behavior. One doesn't feel that here."
The Shanghai architect Teng Kun Yen says, however, that the city still lags far behind Tokyo in terms of aesthetic design standards. Originally from Taiwan, he laments the fact that the Shanghainese are so willing to cut off all ties to history and tradition in the mad pursuit of wealth and ever larger commercial opportunities: "In such an environment ... true design cannot be nurtured."
Teng is a Japanese design fan. He bought his entire wardrobe from Issey Miyake and designed his staff's uniforms with concepts borrowed from Miyake's Pleats Please line. He is in the midst of converting a district of derelict factory sites into a space consisting of gallery, hotel, café, restaurant and boutiques that are at most, three stories high, with intricately precise details that he sees as a quintessential factor in Japanese design.
"Maybe Tokyo wants to learn from Shanghai ... but I think the feeling is mutual," he says. "Right now, there are signs that a creative dialogue is about to flourish between the two cities.
"And really, that's the most important thing, isn't it?"
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.Now, let me guess....
You are either Chinese or Korean!!
It just shows that Chinese people are at least honest enough to be self-critical of their country. Every Chinese I met in China knows China is poor and behind, but they are hopeful for the future. How about you though?
What do you think of the rotting concrete jungle that is Japan? What do you think of Kyoto today as compared to the brochures? What do you think of rows and rows of middle aged Japanese men in suits in Pachinko parlors at 10:30 at night? What do you think of the education system in Japan? the sexism? What do you think about Japan's two decades recession? Maybe something is wrong?
if you dont like it, go to countryside to live..concrete jungle ?
what did they do?Japanese mddle age..?
there is no etenity thingsdecades recession?
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.
I have read in several places that the Japanese tend to be xenophobic and that some even wish that all foreigners would leave the country (of course, they don't vocalize these opinions).
However, the Japanese must view each nationality in a different way. For example, I've heard that they look up to the French as a pinnacle of culture and that when it comes to other Asian countries, the Japanese tend to look down on them.
Of course, these stereotypes aren't universal throughout Japan, but I wanted to know how they view other nationalities/races. I've heard several different stories about Americans/Canadians in Japan.
But especially as someone who is American born Taiwanese, I wonder what they would think of me.
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Taiwanese people tend to have a more positive view of Japan and the Japanese compared to Chinese and Korean.
Just don't go around shouting "APOLOGIZE FOR NANKING YOU JAPANESE BARBARIANS!" and I think you'll do fine.
Now this is a very funny comment! Considering China is the land of immense censorship and criticizing the government is reason enough for arrest.It just shows that Chinese people are at least honest enough to be self-critical of their country.
I don't think is a very good way of comparing two countries to say the least.Here's some food for thought: a Beijing taxi costs 10 yuan (US$1.30) for 3 km; a Tokyo taxi costs 720 yen (US$7.70) for 2 km. Subway fares in China are 2 to 5 yuan ($0.35-$0.60). How wealthy is Japan really when its prices are so inflated?
Sure, transport costs may be less in China, but life involves more than just transport and if I had a choice between living in China or living in Japan, I sure as heck would know which one I'd rather choose, cheap transport or not.
And for that matter, Japanese transport costs isn't that high anyway considering the Japanese train system is probably the highest quality and the envy of the rest of the world.
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.
We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.
I can't speak for anyone else, but based on my experiences, most people in terms of numbers, who criticize Japan ARE Chinese and Korean so based on probabilities, it is not unreasonable to assume you are one of them two.
Interestingly enough, the 2nd most vocal anti-Japan group are ex-pats and foreigners-turned-Japanese-citizens. Makes me wonder why they even bother moving to Japan if they hate it so much.
The 3rd most vocal anti-Japan groups include the usual Australian anti-whalers, Americans still holding WW2 grudges (much like China) etc...
Chinese and Koreans aren't "other races." And frankly it's silly for the Japanese to continue looking down on them. I've been to all three countries plus Taiwan, and it's really a wash between them. They all feel pretty similar.
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.
We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.
Originally Posted by turtle
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.
We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.
I'll agree with you here 100% though...