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Japanese find sleep, shelter in cyber cafes

Nuala

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070507/wr_nm/japan_cyberhome_dc
Is the economy really that bad right now? I was looking into going to Japan during college, but I'm not so sure if I'll be able to afford it now. If natural citizens are having a problem holding a steady job, then I think I will too.
Any suggestions, or comments on the url? Here is a quote of the article for those who can't access CNN.
 
There are a lot of TV programs lately about this problem. There was one homeless guy who got 300.000 a month with his job... I wonder if he had a bank account.

But it's very sad that you work so hard to graduate but there is no job available for you.
 
I know a person who is a homeless billionaire.
He is a speculator...

when he gose to Kabuto-cho,Nihonbashi, he wears tuxedo
 
I read this article yesterday, it was very interesting. I think its one more example of the order and peacefulness of Japan, and how the spirit of 'trying your best' exists in a stronger fashion there than anywhere else. Its a cyclical thing that all individuals involved work towards accomplishing. First, the internet cafe owner who permits these people to hang out/live in his business. Why? Because the people using his services are quiet, clean and do not abuse the facilities he is providing. Why? Because they've been raised to not do such things and to continue trying their best, therefore, they have odd jobs which allow them to pay for these services, keeping the shop owner happy. Why is he happy to do it based on principle alone? Because he's helping his fellow countrymen stay afloat and helping him stay afloat as well.

You just can't have a system like this in the West, inevitably some idiot will steal a computer and try to make a few bucks off it, or break something in the shower room, or something stupid will happen that ruins it for everyone else.
 
Mobile Ojisan has a write-up about this as well.
Linky: Page Not Found (404)

 
I watched a TV travel show it promoted staying at Internet Cafes as a cheap alternative for hotels while in Tokyo. It was a show saying that you could afford to go to Tokyo and spend less than $200 US dollars a day for lodging, food and transportation.
 
Whats annoying me more and more about this topic is how its becoming more and more inaccurate with every revision. Japan does not have internet cafes per se - it has manga kissa which have internet access as well - not the other way round.

Also freeter has a double meaning - those who are well off and work part-time just for the pocket money (ie. 30 somethings that still live with the parents, and don't have to pay for lodgings, food, utilities etc), or those who are well off but choose (key word) to live like this staying in internet cafes and cheap accommodation.
 
I've stayed the night in internet cafes a number of times when I've missed the last train. there were always a lot of others doing the same thing. It never even occured to me that some of them might actually be homeless.
 
You just can't have a system like this in the West, inevitably some idiot will steal a computer and try to make a few bucks off it, or break something in the shower room, or something stupid will happen that ruins it for everyone else.

Some how I think the 'baka' in your name is appropriate. It's not that you can't have this in the West, it's that it would be more difficult to do and most people in the West don't want to live in an Internet cafe.

Japan does not have internet cafes per se

Not true, though it is correct that most of them are the manga/Internet cafe type.
 
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I would rather live in a internet cafe than sleep outside, gaijinalways..
 
Some how I think the 'baka' in your name is appropriate. It's not that you can't have this in the West, it's that it would be more difficult to do and most people in the West don't want to live in an Internet cafe.

What is the difference between not being able to do it and it being more difficult to do? Either way you concede to an inability on the part of Western culture to avoid abusing a service such as this, regardless of the demand.
 
I know that anyone who is neither asian nor embodies the typical gamer (i.e. young, pale white, running on hormones and caffeine) gets frowned upon at internet cafes here - anyone outside of their stereotyped customer ideal is considered a 'risk'. Same is true in German internet cafes - if you don't fit he stereotyped customer profile, then you are classed as suspicious.
 

I suppose by gamer you mean 'otaku'-kinda guy, right? If what you say is true, then these locales need to think outside the box- there are many people who don't have a computer and literally need internet communication in order to contact other people and I bet many people go to these Manga Kissa in order to get some internet connection and are not 'gamers' whatsoever. That's how I plan to communicate if I go to Japan and am not attracted to anime or manga anyhow. Yes, I play Xbox and PS but this is because I like the sports video game and that's about it, so i wouldn't like being treated like a suspect in one of these places just because I don't like comics.

Mauricio
 
Umm, I think I ought to point out I meant here in NZ. Haven't had the chance to live in Japan yet.
 
Japan always has something to suprise you with.

I loved my time in Japan, but god knows, I couldn't live there really long term...


I cant imagine living in such a busy hectic crowded mega-city like Tokyo, and NOT having my own pitiful little cardboard looking house thats barely larger then a shed.

If I didn't have that personal space all my own I would just lose it.

TBH I'de take my chances as being one of those "homeless" with a nice blue tent in a park or something.
 
aprecio Ginza, whose main tageting population is young women, offers cakes, facial massage, or even stone spa.

I heard the manga kissa or cafe complex market is about 200 billions yen now. I am curious what is the next.
 
I missed the last train in Osaka the other night, and slept in a Karoake place. The magic phrase is "free time"! I had a comfortable couch till the first train for 1500 yen.
 
Hello, this is my first post. I was searching an information about Japan when I found this forum. But I don't understand how sleeping in Internet cafe makes the accomodation cheaper?! When I was looking for apartment in Tokyo I found 1 bedroom with bathroom for 140-190 000 yens. Some of them with utilities uncluded and washing machine. There were cheaper varians where you can share an apartment and the accomodation will cost 80-100 000 yens. Well if a Japanese man with low salary pays for a night 2400 yens for an uncomfortable chair and a shower this makes 78 000 yens for 30 nights, and he has to pay for laundry because in this cafes there are no such things and to eat only outside. This makes that kind of cheep sleeping more expensive than the normal housing. Am I wrong??
 
Kinda makes sense, but you forget that there are such things as 'key-money' and deposits, and possibly agent fees that need to be paid. So you have to have a substantial wad of cash in your pocket to even get through the door of your own pad. I believe that the people mentioned in the above stories are living from the hand straight to the mouth - i.e. barely making enough tolive day to day and cannot therefore save up.
 
Just another example of the fact that deadbeats will always be in any society. I feel no sorrow for these people, b/c if they got off their a$$ and worked they would be able to afford a place to stay in. I think it said somewhere that Yamashita has dreams, yeah that about right and that all they will probably contiune to be too. As someone earlier said , it is their "Choice".
 
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their "Choice".
Right.
A TV program covered a young dentist stayed at the cafe for more than 10 hours. He lives close to the cafe, just 10 minite bike ride, but he chose to pay the money there. I bet his salary is more than mine, but it was his choice.
No media would cover him, if he drove a mercedes or a ferrari.

My choice was a 30,000 yen, about 184EURO, 6 tatami room at the centre of Tokyo, Shinjuku, before, but I was lucky enough to take a bath at a post office where I worked part-time. The wall was a bit too thin, though.
 
I think, It's a life style, so interesting. If i'm Japan i'll live like them, may be
 
My wifes mother is a teacher and lives in "teachers accommodation", which is a 2DK apartment and costs less than 20,000en a month. Many companies supply housing for its staff if they want, and its usually dead cheap.
 
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