Japanese, Egyptian, Aztec Connections...?

Folks, I am back to this great forum, thanks to Pachipro, Uncle Frank.

I am not sure where I left off, but let me explain, humbly, that I am not an academic, not a scientist, not educated, I am simply a lover of history.

I call myself an amateur historian, and 99% of all my material is in every library in the United States. Call me a library detective, and professionally I am a taxicab and limo driver.

Having said all this, my theories are simply that...theories, guesses. I am fascinated with why the Japanese language is saturated with Egyptian-sounding names, Hebrew names, and now, Aztec names. At not time will I EVER mean to offend or to slight or to insult or disgrace anyone, ever. You who read this are absolutely, positively, my DNA brother and sister, you are my flesh and blood in 99.999999999%.

On the day I die, in my heart I know with great conviction, that the Japanese people appear to me what I describe as "Eastern Celts", looking identical to the Irish "western celts". It is no secret, that the DNA center of Europe and Asia, came from the central Asian location...let us say...Uzbekhistan area...some ancestors went East, some went West. Along with the proven European DNA presence found in Mongolia, the ancient Japanese have eerily similar musical instruments, religious symbols, and I say language also.

But I am taking this study 20 steps further...and I have researched the remarkable connection between the Aztec/Mayan/Inca Amerindian civilizations and the Greek, Egyptian, Judaic, Chinese, Japanese cultures. At the end of the day...we all are the same.

Japan, Nippon, Nehan... In ancient America...only on the East Coast, facing the rising sun, we have Shippan, Neponset, and Niantic...identical names and meanings, I say.

Tokyo... Te-Cayu... does this originate as "eastern capital"? Or does it harken back to the Sirius Dog/dragon star "Cayu" of Egypt, or to Venus that rises with the morning sun, every day...and sets with the evening sun? Compare this with the Amerindian... Coyo-te... or Da-kota... La Kota.

Hiroshima... some people say this might be Jerusalem... or Horus of the South.

Yokohoma... Okla-homa. Just a coincidince?

But let me take one specific word, in this new thread. "Sushi". I am told this originally meant "flower", and the fish to be eaten were arranged like "flowers".

The Aztec name for flower is "Xhochi", as in Xochipilli - Prince of flowers... Xochimanco- Arm of the God of Flowers...

In English, the equivalent may be the proper name "Joseph"...In my theory... I believe the "Prince of Flowers" among the Aztecs was Xochipilli...

Erowid Entheogen Vaults : Xochipilli
http://www.nemeton.com/axis-mutatis/popocatapetl/mk-xochi.jpeg
Xochi

I would love to hear your comments. There are at least 3 other authors long before me, who have theorized that Japanese and Egyptian and Judaic...all are deeply connected.

Welcome back Ed.

This is a subject which has always fascinated me and, although not a researcher per se, I have done much reading on the subject.

There is much truth in what you say and have researched, but if one is to do a conclusive and complete study of the origins of languages and peoples I think one must look further back in history to the actual beginnings of the present day human race in Sumeria 6,000 years ago, in what is now present day Iraq and Egypt and the surrounding areas. Zecharia Sitchin, one of the few people who can translate the ancient Sumerian tablets, has done exhaustive research on the subject in his "Earth Chronicles" series of books.

Just on the surface alone one can see distinct similarities between the ancient Incas, Myans, Aztecs and the American Indians who, in turn, are also similar to the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese (from which I believe sprang the Korean and Japanese peoples). Further research will bring one to understand that all of these peoples, including those in ancient England and Ireland, have their roots going back to ancient Sumeria way before the advent of the Egyptian civilization.

It is generally believed among scholors of ancient history that there was a very advanced civilization in Sumeria and the lands that are the present day Iraq, Iran, and Egypt and that maybe history is repeating itself or the "war" has still never ended. This civilization ended up destroying itself with advanced weapons which some say were nuclear and proof of this can be found in the examination of the sands of the Sinai Peninsula and Egypt. However, you will never read about it or even learn about it in any modern day books or Universities. For some reason that information is supressed and anyone who dares question "history" as is presently written, will fail to graduate, receive their Phd or, if they are tenured, will be ridiculed and mocked and their findings never published. As it is said, "History is written by the victors."

Anyway, after destroying themselves and their land, the survivors migrated north, east, west, and south. In Chapter 13 of his book "When Time Began", Sitchin writes:

"For the first time there appears in Mesopotamian inscriptions the term Munnabtutu, literally meaning "fugitives from a destruction."

"As Sumer itself lay prostrate and desolate, the remnants of its people (in the words of Hans Baumann, The Land of Ur) "spread in all directions; Sumerian doctors and astronomers, architects and sculptors, cutlers of seals and scribes, became teachers in other lands.

"....one can learn where the "displaced persons" of Sumer went by looking at the foreign cultures that sprouted one after the other in foreign lands - cultures whose script was the cuneiform, whose language included countless Sumerian "loanwords" (especially in the sciences), whose pantheons, even if the gods were called by local names, were the Sumerian pantheon, whose "myths" were the Sumerian "myths," whose tales of heroes (such as of Gilgamesh) were of Sumerian heroes.

"How far did the wanderers of Sumer go?




They went where new nation-states were formed within two or three centuries after the fall of Sumer:

* ".... Assyria to Babylon's north,​

* The Hittite kingdom to the northwest,​

* The Hurrian Mittani to the west,​

* The Indo-Aryan kingdoms that spread from the Caucasus on Babylon's northeast and east, and​

* Those of the "Desert Peoples" to the south and of the "Sealand People" to the southeast.​

"....It was in such lands that the Sumerian refugees were given asylum all around Mesopotamia, serving at the same time as catalysts for the conversion of their host countries into modern and flourishing states. But some must have ventured to more distant lands....

* The third Region of Ishtar, the Indus Valley, to repopulate and invigorate it.​

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The Vedic tales of gods and heroes that they brought with them were the Sumerian "myths" retold; the notions of Time and its measurement and cycles were of Sumerian origin. It is a safe assumption, we believe, that mingled into the Aryan migration were Sumerian refugees; we say "safe assumption" because Sumerians had to pass that way in order to reach the lands that we call the Far East.

* "It is generally accepted that within two centuries or so of 2000 B.C. a "mysteriously abrupt change" (in the words of William Watson, China) had occurred in China; without any gradual development the land was transformed from one of primitive villages to one with "walled cities whose rulers possessed bronze weapons and chariots and the knowledge of writing."​

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The cause, all agree, was the arrival of migrants from the west.... the migrations in the aftermath of the fall of Sumer....

"....A major study by C. J. Ball (Chinese and Sumerian, 1913).... proved conclusively the similarity between the Sumerian pictographs (from which the cuneiform signs evolved) and the old forms (Ku Wen) of Chinese writing.... What his research has shown was that not only did the pictographs look the same, but they also (in a material number of instances) were pronounced the same way....

* "The "mythological" links are more widespread. Throughout the steppes of Central Asia and all the way from China to Japan the religious beliefs spoke of gods of Heaven and Earth, and of a place called Sumeru.... The Japanese Shintu religious belief that their emperor is descended of a son of the Sun becomes plausible if one assumes that the reference is not to the star around which Earth orbits, but to the "Sun god" Utu/Shamash; for with the spaceport in the Sinai of which he had been in charge obliterated, and the Landing Place in Lebanon in Marduk's hands, he may well have wandered with bands of his followers to the far reaches of Asia

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Although ridiculed by many modern day "scholors", I feel that one must take into account Sitchins work in order to completely understand where modern day man and the Japanese people originated from, as I believe there is more truth in his work than what we are being force-fed. There must be some reason why so many people are trying to supress his work, especially when they themselves cannot even understand these ancient writings.

In this day of the internet, look deep enough and long enough and the truth will be revealed. Whether one chooses to believe it is up to that person, but it is there if one elects to "look outside the box."


You can read the rest of exerpts, as well as his other books at this link.

I guess those who surpress the truth about the ancient civilizations are the same who want us to believe Bielefeld actually exists... right?
Probably the freemasons or those pesky evilutionists

I would like to agree, but ....

Ebu... I am trying to understand your cryptic response to the subject matter...

Japanese, Egyptian, Aztec Connections...

You make an interesting but confusing comment, with military and language graphics underneath, and I am left with the question... What does this person mean? What is he trying to say? Is his comment historical or is it political or is it nonsensical?

I have lobbied unsuccessfully for a master-edit function, that a person who posts a serious observation in a thread -on this website, about Japanese history, might have the authority to diminish stray comments that destroy reader interest and participation.

I don't understand your comment, but I appreciate your interest?!? Can you explain?

Jomon Michitsura comparing with Aztec Moctesuma

Another photo comparison... Nozu Michitsura and Moctesuma of the Aztecs...
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Tecumseh is Amerindian, from the Ohio/"Michi-gan" areas of the colonial United States.

My two cents...

Aztecs and all Amerindians are escentially "Asians"... although people wander a lot in 40,000 years.

"Asians" here may be, any people from Siberia & China... to Arabia.

Besides... if Japanese want to differentiate themselves from Korans and Chinese... what do you think that they will think about being related with a, say, Brazilian indian in the Amazon?

Regarding Egyptians and Japanese... I see even less connection.

Regards.

Many mysteries remain to be solved...

Sirius2B...Thank you for your response. I certainly don't ask you to believe me on anything, but I do have questions...please believe whatever you care to believe...

Do you consider the Jomon tribes... Asian or Caucasian, or a blend of both?
Japanese and other east asian ethnicities, races, genetic origin, some DNA analysis

Are you familiar with the Egyptian history of "Asiatics" invading, conquering, and ruling ancient Egypt? Google-Yahoo lookup "asiatics +egypt +pharoahs", for 126 responses.

Are you familiar with Quetzalcoatl, hero of the Aztec mythology, having blonde hair?
Google/Yahoo "quetzalcoatl +hair +blonde"
http://www.epcc.edu/nwlibrary/borderlands/17_aztec_beliefs.htm

Are you familiar with the simple historic facts that multiple tribes populate Mexico, estimated between 40 and 170 tribes, some Negroidal, some Caucasian, many Asian? Mexico or those middle western hemisphere regions apparently were like "grand central station" of the ancient world...everyone seems to have been there...

Are you familiar with the thoughts that Sanskrit and Egyptian seem to be the roots of all modern languages, allegedly including Japanese?
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I am not trying to sell anything, or have you believe anything, but I have to believe there are 100s of authors over the last 500 years making the Asian, Egyptian, Amerindian and Aztec connections, including DNA.

PS...your quote "Besides... if Japanese want to differentiate themselves from Korans and Chinese... what do you think that they will think about being related with a, say, Brazilian indian in the Amazon?"

I can't speak for you or for anyone else, but me personally? I would be thrilled to find my DNA twin among the Brazillian Indians of the Amazon, or the Africans of Ethiopia.

In my lifetime, I have "walked into my twin" three times; one Czech, one Mexican, and one Chinese. The Czech guy nearly fainted when we came face to face!

Reference

Ed, May I point you to this reference?

http://www.pliink.com/mt/marxy/archives/2007/01/koguryo-japanese.html

marxy said:

Posted by: marxy at January 19, 2007 1:39 PM

Perhaps I'd have to look at his book/papers, but as far as I can tell from the PDF there's nothing substantial, or it would've been there, and I'd have heard about this through other linguistic channels :>

Lexical and perhaps phonetic similiarities are easy to find, example: the scene from My Big Fat Greek Wedding where the father shows how the word 'Kimono' is actually from Greek (That scene made the movie for me).

I don't see, however, that he has found any sort of systematic lexical change. For example, in Yiddish, in most cases where the vowel "a" is in High German a "u" vowel is used, e.g. schlafen vs. schlufen.

Due to the very tiny corpus of Koguryo, I doubt there is enough to show any such systematic change. And so these very interesting similarities would have to be relegated to the realm of coincidence or curiosity until there is a bigger corpus uncovered.

Etymology, which seems to be the business at hand, is something most linguists are terribly afraid to touch. Once an Iranian friend of mine tried to convince me that 'commander' came from a Farsi word which means 'man with a bow'.

For a nice introduction to the linguist's unease about etymology see here: Language Log: Crimson worm rhapsody

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Mike said:

Posted by: Mike at January 19, 2007 2:11 PM

If you read your Mdme Blavatski thoroughly you'd find that the japanese race is related to the dissapeared 4th (Atlantean) race which would not only give credibility to professor Ono's dravidian link theory but would also explain the striking similarities between japan and ancient Egypt and would give you enough clues to the the very origin of japanese people.

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Color Red, yes, thanks for the reference. In fact, I am trying to seek out all the pre-400 BC stories about Japan, the Yayoi, and the Jomon.

The article you reference claims a Jomon ancestry back to 8000 BC or so...10,000 years old. Wouldn't this be the oldest continuous culture in the known world? How is this proven? I absolutely believe it possible, but how can we find the sources of these claims?

For example, I believe the Judaic culture claims to be 6000 years old, the Babylonian culture, maybe 5200 years old...the known "dynastic Egyptian" culture of 5200 years ago...the Mayan calendar goes back arguably 5000 years, some say 20,000 years old. Where are the 10,000 year old Jomon theorists?

And Mdme Blavatski , her claim of the 4th Atlantean race, disappeared...where/who are the previous three? And where/what time frame did the Indus Valley civilization play with regard to the Jomon?

I think we are actually onto something very, very important in these series of discussions which you initiated, that might have direct connections into subsequent cultures, like the Egyptians, and Greeks.

It's maybe a coincidence but they don't have same eyes...

4000 year old Sumerian Pottery Found in Bolivia

Again from World-Mysteries.com, an amazing Bolivian discovery of pottery and statuary was made in 2002 and just now deciphered, showing Sumerian linguistic characters, artwork, design, and mythology, with a time date in the 2000 BC era.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_8.htm

And of course, there are the repeated rumors/theories articles on Jomon pottery of the Japanese islands, found in Ecuador...
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/135/3501/371

Possible Transpacific Contact on the Coast of Ecuador
Emilio Estrada, Betty J. Meggers and Clifford Evans

Note: References are also made of the famous, undeciphered Phaistos Disk, and I would like to add that these same iconic images also appear on a smaller scale within the Valley of Mexico, among the Aztecs.
Phaistos Disk information.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_9.htm
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Prefix Tepe, (Mountain), and Suffix "Pan"

In my quest to tie the Japanese language and the Aztecan naming conventions...I am focusing on the prefix "tepe" (means Mountains in Aztecan), and the suffix "pan", meaning..."origin of" probably in both Aztec and Japanese.

I am asking for help on this...the following place-names came from a tourist composite map, showing the pre-Conquistador names of the Valley of Mexico, and I am asking the readers to phonetically sound-out the names, to see if any Japanese equivalents occur...

Itzapalapan.pu Eet-zah-pal-la-pan
Actipan Ak-to-pan
Altopan Al-to-pan
Atlazolpan Ah-tla-solo-pan
Azaquilpan Ahhh-zah-quee-ee-lee-pan
Chimalpan Shee-ma-la-pan (might refer to Scorpio constellation, claws of scorpio)
Coapan Co-ah-pan
Cuatlalpan Koo-at-la-pan
Ixtayopan Ish-ta-aaa-yo-pan plausibly refers to Ishtar, or Venus, or Aphrodite
Naucalpan Na-wah-cal-la-pan
Tepalcapan Te-pal-la-sa-pan (probably refers to "Mountain of Pallas", Aphrodite, Ishtar, or Venus)
Tepepan Tay-pay-pan ("Mountain of origin of ???spirits??")
Tepexpan Tay-pe-shee-pan ("Mountain of the spirit-place", "Land where the sun first rises", most definitly related to the name "Japan")
Tizapan Tee-sah-pan, or Tee-shah-pan, I believe related to the naming convention... "Japan", and the Connecticut "shippan".
Tlalmimilolpan Tee-lal-mee-meelol-pan
Tlayacapan Tee-laa-yaa-cah-pan
Tlayaloapan Tee-laa-yah-loo-ahh-pan
Totolapan Toe-toe-la-pan

Your serious opinions are appreciated.

Adding image, containing "Coyo", "Koyo", Kaiu-

I submitted this photographic study of the Temple of Teotihuacan, located in the Valley of Mexico, on another thread of the History Channel, but I think it is also appropriate here.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4903/teotihuacan5na8.gif

What the Japanese connection is I believe is twofold...

Firstly, the name Teoti I believe is related to the Egyptian God Tehoti, aka Thoth. On the Asian side, Chinese and possibly Japanese... is Taoism, from the book Dao De Ching, aka Tao te Ching, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this Taoism and certainly the Egyptian Tehoti, are both considered the study of "knowledge" which includes magic, medicine, mathematics, even martial arts.

Secondly, the third animal from the far left is sort of a dragonish figure, labeled by myself as "Suteka", but also I believe described by the Aztecs as "Coyo", identical to the Chinese Kaia, Japanese Kaiu (sp?) and the Amerindian Coyo-te. This dragon-animal may also relate to the Egyptian Saite, I am guessing here.

PS...I believe the net-net possible meaning of the temple murals reflects the ??? Divine Twins, Yin-Yang duality of life...Good/Bad, Day/Night, Male/Female, Love/Hate, Peace/War, Life/Death, Knowledge/Chaos, and is also reflected in the crescent moon (Thoth) and morning star (Venus), found in the modern Turkish and Pakistani flags.

So do I know for sure, no. Am I an expert, no. I am simply a tourist and avid library reader and researcher, and I wanted to share these similarities between the Aztecs and the Japanese culture, and I am inviting any comments.

I often hear linguists discourage making connections based on similarity of sound. For example, the Barbaram (Australian Aboriginal group) word for dog is "dog".

However, the etymology is completely dissimilar from English - it comes from the Yidin "gudaga", and has no connection with English at all (Old English "docga", which displaced the previous Old English "hund" -> "hound").

Similarly sounding concepts may be merely coincidences:
Thoth is also romanized at ḏḥwty, and the pronunciation of "Tao Te Ching" only shares consonants with Teotihuacan. You could infer the same for totem, but you'd be wrong -- etymologically, they do not come from a common origin at all.

Tao Te by the way means path of virtue; Teotihuacan is birthplace of the gods, Thoth means he who is like the ibis, and totem comes from the Ojibwe root -oode, an entity watching over the family. It's really tenuous to connect them semantically, it's like saying "pyramid", "parthenon", and "parking structure" come from the same word because they're all buildings that start with a p sound.

Also, coyote is a direct loan from the Nahuatl "coyotl", which is Canis latrans: not a dragon at all, but rather, something I see at least twice a month, living in Arizona.

A lot of this speculation seems based on very tenuous homonymic evidence, rather than actually following the histories of the peoples in question. Why pyramids, for example? Was there cultural flow from Egypt to the Maya and the Chinese? Perhaps, but more likely, it is the simple fact that at that size, a building in that shape made of pre-modern materials (ie stone) is more stable than other shapes. It's not like they're all magically building geodesic domes or Quonset huts, here.

You'd have to be blind not to notice that day and night are separate entities. You'd have to be blind not to notice that male and female are separate entities. These are not *cultural* dualities: they are natural ones. Honestly, you could build any number of similarities between any two cultures in the world for the express reason that we all belong to the same species and live on the same planet.

Go far enough back, and we're all probably Khoikhoi anyway. We're all cousins, but perhaps not for the reasons you're looking at.

Yes, the truth is out there, but it doesn't necessarily rely on stretching little things beyond believability; there's often a much simpler and much less mysterious solution.

Could not disagree with you more.

Miwasatoshi...
So we count your vote on the disbelieving side. That is perfectly all right, and need I say I could not disagree with you more?
You believe, in your perspective, that "Teo-ti" and "Dao De" could not possibly be connected?
One name means "birthplace of the gods", and the other means "path of virture", which in your mind has no connection whatsoever?
And coyote cannot possibly be associated with the Chinese Kaia, or Kaiu, or Egyptian Kaiu, or Aztecan Coyo, and I accept your opinion as your own, not mine.
Male/Female, Life/Death, Heaven/Earth, Good/Bad, Sun/Moon...I call them cultural dualities, or natural dualities, or "life dualities"...I am not sure we disagree on this point, the natural dualities of life are celebrated by some cultures, not all.
And your quote "Yes, the truth is out there, but it doesn't necessarily rely on stretching little things beyond believability; there's often a much simpler and much less mysterious solution." Which are....???...your opinions only?
Well, Mr. Miwasatoshi...I have presented my ideas and my graphics, and my photographs, and my historical authors references, and you certainly don't have to believe them, and I would certainly love to see you create a thread on your own viewpoints.
But if you can't see the staggering similarity of
Tee-hoe-tee of the Egyptians,
Teo-ti of the "Aztecs",
Dao De of the Chinese,
...and each seems to have a massive position of "knowledge prominence", "judging life performance", or "way of living a virtuous life" within its culture, if you can't see that, there is nothing I can impress you with, is there?
Please start your own etymology theory thread, I will certainly read it! But please don't think that only your opinion counts.

Trying to assert linguistic continuity from less than 1% lexical similarity, without considering the thousands of other sample sets that do not correlate is nothing less than pseudoscience.

Far more likely to me is the idea that these words are simply a matter of convergent evolution (if you can even call it that).

Also, why choose the Egyptians, Aztecs, and Japanese specifically, when the connections may simply be those that refer to a great many more cultures than those?

What I am seeing here is a lot of forced logical leaps, rather than any actual hard science.

Of course, these are my opinions, and my opinions are not truth. But I also feel it is better to have an educated opinion, based on what has been discovered in the appropriate fields of study in reliable sources, rather than simply throwing things together and "believing" them to be the way you want them to be.

Most importantly -- can you give me a single concrete shred of evidence that the Japanese had any significant cultural contact with the ancient Egyptian or the Aztecs that can be documented?

I haven't YET seen any compelling evidence, all I see are the barest shreds of coincidence that don't take into account etymology, history, or cultural context.

Miwatoshi...I am suggesting you listen to the words and sentences that you present...

"Trying to assert linguistic continuity from less than 1% lexical similarity, without considering the thousands of other sample sets that do not correlate is nothing less than pseudoscience."

And you designate yourself as Judge and Jury? Where are your published works?

Do you have a measuring stick that says "Tehoti" is less than 1% "lexical similarity" with Teoti and Thoth? What laser measuring device tells you that Tehoti is less than 1% of Teoti? What measuring device do you use to say the bird image to the left of the staircase is "less than 1%" the image of a now-extinct Ibis bird-head? Or are they virtually identical names, correlated with a virtually identical Ibis bird image of Egyptian mythology?

But listen to me, ...I am as bad as you, where is my measuring stick? I don't have one. You don't have one. I am presenting correlating coincidences, names and images and mythologies, with a sprinkling of theology. And guess what, they seem to match. Tehoti. Teoti. Dao De.

And consider...

"Far more likely to me is the idea that these words are simply a matter of convergent evolution (if you can even call it that)."

Sure...positioned like a bird, looks like an Ibis headed bird, dominant commanding position over figures to the "North", temple name which corresponds identically with Egyptian God Thoth, i.e., Tehoti, who sat in judgement of the life's achievements of the men who would be turned into Gods, by sacrifice. And what was the criteria of the judgement of Thoth, aka Tehoti, aka Teoti...? Did these men lead virtuous lives? It must be a coincidence, you think, with "Paths of Virtue"?

Barest shreds of evidence? I guess you could say, sure, and I am satisfied that in the history of mankind, I might have 100% more theories than 5.9 billion other persons on this earth. Not too shabby for a cab driver, I must say, AND...I believe I am right. It is certainly your right to believe whatever you want to believe. God bless you.

And PS... I recant on my earlier comments: there is no way that Ya'akov derives into James. No way. Jacob certainly which is in itself an ancient name, but James is also an ancient name, and no way that I can see Ya'akov root at this point, although history may prove you right.

Egypt, Bolivia, Japan, Turkey... Hittite-Ainu?

In my further research on connectivities across ancient continents, as usual I find several previous theories on the Hittite of Turkey, and the Tiwanakus of Bolivia, that have predated my own theories by several years...

Were the Hittites also "Ainu" ancestors? Do any of these stone-cutting styles exist in Japan?



From a remarkable set of photographs, truly historic treasures, and he doesn't realize it yet... Jean Zignani's photostream on Flickr...
Tiwanaku/Cuzco-style stone-cutting, found in Bogazkale, Turkey (aka Hattusa)

Mystic Places, by Alex Sokolowski
A Link between Egypt and Americas?
compares stone cutting techniques between Egypt and Cuzco...
Mystic Places - WORLD MYSTERIES

Proto-Aztecan pictographs? Found in Bogazkale, Turkey...

Note: Of the many translations that the name Hattusa could be, one plausible definition, in the Egyptian explanation would be.... Hah-T-chaus, Divine Chief (Tchaus) of Eternity (Hah).

Other explanations, given several similar meanings to "Hah" -or "Haiti", or "A-T", in ancient Egyptian, could be... "Divine Chiefs" of the "Sun and Moon", and/or also refer to Osiris, "creation", and even "life-death-resurrection".

While I am guessing here, based on the translations in Wallis Budge's 1921 "An Egyptian Hieroglyhphic Dictionary", all explanations could mean the exact same thing.

I am now suspecting that the rock carvings at Petra, and the Machu Picchu stone cuttings, both mentioned on the new "7 Wonders" list, may have been built by the same Hittite culture.

Petra style stone cutting, found at Center of Kümbet village halfway between Eskisehir and Afyon (Yazilikaya'nın yanında)

EdZiomek said:

On the day I die, in my heart I know with great conviction, that the Japanese people appear to me what I describe as "Eastern Celts", looking identical to the Irish "western celts".

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Funny, I've always felt the same way.

But a connection between the Egyptians and Aztec with Japanese. Wow...that's an awfully large distance in time and space for there to be much relation I think..

I think that all people have cultural relations to some degree. But Eurasia with the Americas? I know that the Native Americans are decendants of Siberia but they were separated from Eurasia for so long that their culture became distictly American...

Kireikoori...thank you for your post.

It is a big "stretch" in your mind, and I am not going to try and dissuade you.

From my point of view, I think the biggest stretch is what we teach our children, that the ice age cave man discovered the Western Hemisphere 12,000 years ago.

Then, for 12,000 years, with cultures doing brain surgery, and moving 200 ton megaliths hundreds of miles to place them on tops of temples, to cut gemstones finer than the human eye can do, to map the heavens to the precision of predicting eclipses, to do all these remarkable things...the entire world had no idea of the Western Hemisphere.

Then Christopher Columbus came along, in 1492, and "discovered" the Americas.

Oh, and American "scholars" still teach that Balboa discovered the Pacific Ocean... all those Polynesian fishermen, all those Asians never had a clue about the Pacific even being there till Balboa discovered it in 1513! Rocky Balboa, I think they told us.

Vasco Nunez de Balboa
Discoverer of the Pacific Ocean, Balboa began his adventurous life as a member of Bastida's crew. He first settled in Hispañola (present day Dominican Republic and Haiti). To escape his creditors there, Balboa stowed away on a voyage to Panama in 1510. There were, at that time, about 800 Spaniards living on the isthmus, whose numbers were soon down to 60; due to the perils of jungle life.

So we teach our children that for 12,000 years, an entire hemisphere went missing! Everybody was stupid till Columbus discovered it!

Columbus's son actually wrote a book describing his father meeting the Pope, and telling him that there were Chinese on the islands he discovered! The Chinese apparently were up and down the East Coast of the Americas, along with Africans and blonde, blue-eyed Caucasianish-"Indians" with beards! Based on the known exploits of Marco Polo, Columbus knew what Asian culture presented, in artwork, in pottery, in language, etc.! I believe the story ended on a sad note, as Columbus was a tryrant to the Indians, and a tyrant to other Spaniards, and Isabella actually had him arrested and brought back to Spain in handcuffs and leg irons....He beat the charges by claiming there was a plot against the Queen herself, and he was suppressing it!

The truth about history is much more fascinating than Hollywood could ever dream, but to claim that Columbus was first...is like the tooth fairy stories, like Santa Claus!

It seems possible with Egyptians not really Aztecs though some may have migrated to the Americas from japan... Also we jews are most definitely not related to Japanese. we keep our bloodline pure for the most part. And i don't see how hiroshima could be related to yerusalim/yerushalayim.

Now also some things like stone cutting similarities probably have more to do with chemistry and physics than genetic relation. Like the pyramids, every culture has triangular shaped structures which is due to their strength not similarities in bloodlines.

I have absolutely no problem believing Japanese came from the same roots as Chinese and Koreans. But for those other groups it seems you would have to go way further back in time. we all came from somewhere in Africa originally.

pugtm said:

Also we jews are most definitely not related to Japanese. we keep our bloodline pure for the most part.

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what?
The "we keep our bloodline pure" statement sounds very Hitler-esque.
If Jews are so racist to keep their bloodline "pure" then why do Jews abroad look totally different from Israeli people?
I should hope that Jews aren't racist like you say and want to "keep their blood pure". No matter how you slice it, being against marrying out is racist.

But I agree...Japanese people are in no way related to Jews.

kireikoori said:

what?
The "we keep our bloodline pure" statement sounds very Hitler-esque.

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Not really you can have your bloodline or race we dont care we dont think we are superior or anything just different.

kireikoori said:

If Jews are so racist to keep their bloodline "pure" then why do Jews abroad look totally different from Israeli people?

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That is a common misconception if you are trained like most jews are to recognize jewish faces you can clearly tell they are jewish just by looking at them. Of course we have our sub races as well such as ashkenazi, sephardi, yemenites,etc. But still all from the same source more or less. Some leave and very few convert and they are weeded out.

kireikoori said:

I should hope that Jews aren't racist like you say and want to "keep their blood pure". No matter how you slice it, being against marrying out is racist.

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Again its not racist and its in our religion that we cant marry out of our race. it's no different from Chinese or Japanese looking down on foreigners. And on top of that the discussion was about Japanese origins not Jewish beliefs. There are other websites for that. Not to mention lets not get started on the barbaric habits of your religion. i'm sure i can find much worse one's in yours.
You should think prior to blatantly ascribing a different cultures as racist especially if you have no understanding of it.
edit: sorry for ruining your interesting discussion everyone... if you would continue please?

pugtm said:

Again its not racist and its in our religion that we cant marry out of our race.

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Fine. Do you prefer the word racialist? You're talking just like a white nationalist.

Your religion? It shouldn't be part of any religion to date inside your race. Dating within religion makes sense but race no.
Hmph. More reason for me to hate Abrahamic religion.

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it's no different from Chinese or Japanese looking down on foreigners.

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A Japanese or Chinese person looking down on foreigners isn't good either.