For starters the JA sensei lists that combo specifically under "Adjectives NA" so I pretty sure that would clue me in, I can also look it up on wikipedia &/or google. As for the pronounciation I made sure I wasn't mishearing it by not only listening again but comparing the pronouciation to the pronouciation of it's listed "strange/wonder" item (which is on the same frame) and it definitly said fushini on the female name item instead of fushigi despite displaying the correct kana by the name and and saying fushigi on the "strange/wonder" item like it is supposed to. Since you're going to reply anyway, is there more than one use for the na hirigana that I should be wary of or is adjectives it's only usage?I wonder how you can learn about na-adjectives just from those translations. Decent textbooks no doubt explain it (how it conjugates, how it modifies nouns, etc.) in the relatively early stage of learning.
The app must pronounce it as Fushigi. You just misheard 鼻濁音, I believe.
Japanese phonology - Wikipedia
Well this particular difference I got from JA sensei app and from what I've read the の is mainly used to indicated the just stated topic/subject/object owning the topic/subject/object about to be stated while the な is mainly used on adjectives (didn't pay much attention to what those were when I was younger, probably look it up later).不思議な is the most common attributive form, and 不思議の is an irregular way of modifying a noun. So, you got the difference between them via wikipedia or google search?
Can you upload the audio file of the pronunciation?
アリスは銀行に彼女の妹のそばに座っの非常に疲れ始めて
It's in the japanese version
I'm sure you'll point those out while correcting my understanding of the structure.
I was aware of that however I chose to ignore that since I'm only using it to learn the language, one can think of it like when theatres or movie writers use a different setting (such as romeo and juliet being put in a modern setting with mafia etc)bank...the financial institution kind
Then I'll just look it up myself after my understanding of the sentence structure is correctedYou are mistaken; I will not.
Tell me wha I need to provide thenYou lack any foundation to serve as a basis for correction
Then just point me to sources you recommendI'm not going to sit here and type up for your sole benefit all the explanations you
Would that genki series be one of them?You can find all those explanations in existing textbooks.
I appreciate the link (didn't notice until you pointed it out), I will see if I can get a printed copy when I'm paid in 10 days time and then use them both to help me understandYour plan to teach yourself Japanese by deciphering a Japanese book is doomed to complete and utter failure before you start if that truly is what is in your copy of Alice in Wonderland and you persist in using it. At least switch to the genuine one I linked. Scroll down to Chapter 1 and compare the text you see there with the mess you have, which looks like the random result of an explosion in a Japanese font factory.
Like Mike wrote, that sentence is both grammatically incorrect and semantically nonsensical. I don't know where you got it from, but it most certainly doesn't come from an actual Japanese book. To me, it looks more like a machine translation from English to Japanese (river bank -> financial bank) that was then retyped manually with mistakes (there are parts missing).It's in the japanese version
In essence then, you're doing the same thing as people who try to learn Japanese by listening to dialogue in anime and comparing with the subtitles. This doesn't work. Translating between languages as different as Japanese and English involves a lot more than replacing and reordering words: it's often necessary to completely reword or even remove, replace or add entire sentences to get a natural-sounding result. Because of this, the translation may actually diverge from the original. In the best case, you'll notice this and ignore the translation; in the worst case, you'll be misled and learn something incorrect.I used an online english version as a reference for what the general meaning should have been
So, what is the difference in meaning? The app explains it? How about 自由の女神 vs. 自由な女神 or 静かの海 vs. 静かな海 (or similarly, 青い祓魔師 vs. 青の祓魔師 and 白いガンダルフ vs. 白のガンダルフ)?Well this particular difference I got from JA sensei app and from what I've read the の is mainly used to indicated the just stated topic/subject/object owning the topic/subject/object about to be stated while the な is mainly used on adjectives (didn't pay much attention to what those were when I was younger, probably look it up later).
I, too, am a native Japanese speaker. Confirm the app author again if it's not fushinga but fushingi, i.e., 鼻濁音 "velar nasal" as I wrote previously. Or, upload the audio file since it's more certain.As for the pronouciation I contacted the app author and he consulted his wife who is a native speaker apparently and she said the name is pronounced fushinga which is probably what is making it sound like fushina.
The app seems not to be able to even recognize the difference between the -te form of the second compound verb 始める and an adverb 初めて.疲れ始めて
very tired for the first time
This explains so well why I have trouble understanding a certain member of my Japanese meetup group. She must be part of one of the groups I don't have a chance to talk to often. Plus I have used some anime for some listening practice in my early learning stages. I'm pretty sure that anime would use the standardized more often than any others.
Would that genki series be one of them?
Did you even bother to read through my previous posts? I've twice said that when payday comes I will take a look at this genki series and probably order it in, as mike has kindly provided a link to a proper japanese version of alice in wonderland I will using that in any future posts seeking help. As far as grammatically incorrect goes you're just repeating what has already been said which until it was stated the 1st time I was not aware of and is most likely the reason I was having trouble in the 1st place.Start by going through a few textbooks such as "Genki I", "Genki II" and "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese" and learning kanji inbetween. Once you've finished those, you can come back to have a go at a novel.
So, what is the difference in meaning? The app explains it? How about 自由の女神 vs. 自由な女神 or 静かの海 vs. 静かな海 (or similarly, 青い祓魔師 vs. 青の祓魔師 and 白いガンダルフ vs. 白のガンダルフ)?
ThanksI just commented about textbooks here,
here
If you really want to learn by reading, someone has adapted the L-R (listening-reading) method to Japanese,
! L-R the most important passages
Horizontal writing is left to right, top to bottom, just like English.Just need to clarify 1st if I'm suppopsed to read those left to right because from what little I'm aware about the japanese language it is supposed to be written & read right to left
I don't believe I asked a question. I think perhaps you thought I was Toritoribeさん、and I think perhaps you're trying to be a bit snarky towards him. You can do that if you like, but just realize that if you irritate Toritoribeさん, he's unlikely to be helpful to you in the future. You may not think that matters, but he's one of the most helpful native Japanese speakers I've ever encountered and in my opinion throwing away is help for a moment of self-indulgent behavior wouldn't be very wise.ThanksI'll finish my reading of my favourite translated novels then I'll come back to your question
Ahh. There's no voice tone on the internet, so I must have been oversensitive and misinterpreted. Don't worry about it, it's my mistake, I apologize.Whoops my bad, wasn't paying attention to the names
Snarky? How?
This is what I'm gettingSo, what is the difference in meaning? The app explains it? How about 自由の女神 vs. 自由な女神 or 静かの海 vs. 静かな海 (or similarly, 青い祓魔師 vs. 青の祓魔師 and 白いガンダルフ vs. 白のガンダルフ)?
While context is king, most of the time 自由の女神 would mean (the) Statue of Liberty.自由の女神=jiyuu no megami=freedom of/from goddess (depends on context)
That was the first thing I thought of when I translated the freedom kanji but decided to translate the other kanji before assuming anything, thank you for clarifying that though.While context is king, most of the time 自由の女神 would mean (the) Statue of Liberty.
Back to it then:So, what is the difference in meaning? The app explains it? How about 自由の女神 vs. 自由な女神 or 静かの海 vs. 静かな海 (or similarly, 青い祓魔師 vs. 青の祓魔師 and 白いガンダルフ vs. 白のガンダルフ)?