Is Japan entering the U.S. nightmare?

[konki_d]

Pachipro, that is a sizable post, and I admire your fervor. However, some of the information goes beyond what might be common knowledge or facts as they are accepted in the public forum.

For example, the statement "Does anyone not notice that the currencies of the world are nearing parity as well as the stock markets?" does not hold with what is commonly understood about currencies, i.e. they fluctuate and are not in parity. That this is a commonly held view and understand quality of international currency rates is what leads to the practice of currency trading and investment. You might also look at the differences between Ireland and Iceland as they struggle through their respective recessions. Ireland uses the Euro, which has provided a cushion of sorts, while Iceland still uses the Krona, which has continued to decline in value and put it at further disadvantage, especially when measuring the value of its sovereign holdings.

All this to say, you may not be wrong in your observations, but if they are something that challenges the norm or other widely accepted views, could you document some specifics? Again, I am not saying you are inherently incorrect, it's just that some of what you are saying does not add up with the information that is readily, publicly available.

I also have a bit of concern regarding some of the hyperbole you choose to use. For example, while there may be some disconnect between the common citizen and decisions made at the federal / national level, it does not mean those decisions are equivalent to holding a gun to someone's face and robbing them. In fact, when such hyperbole is used, it tends to discredit your arguments.

I do apologize, but I am left to wonder if you are purposefully trying to incite an angry or indignant response, or if you are perhaps misinformed to the point of drawing irrational conclusions. I hope neither is the case, and that perhaps you can revisit your post and add documentation or more verbose exploration of your ideas to help explain some of your more radical points of view.

In the meantime, I will consider your words as they stand and formulate as response as I have time.

 

[JerseyBoy]

Does anyone really think and believe that the Japanese financial minister was drunk at a press conference during the G-7 meeting or was it a ruse to push someone not cooperating from power and influence in order to get their own person in there? (If so please provide me with a link as I have not been able to discern through videos if he was drunk or not.)

Nakagawa, FM, has a history of excessive drinking and he admitted he took cough medicine (this, I don't believe, as you really need to drink lots of cough syrup to get drunk) and drank some wine (that, I believe). So, I don't think there is anything shady on that matter.

He exercised poor judgement by speaking at the press conference (if he was drunk, he should have skipped that altogether by coming up with any excuse). I think that behavior follows the typical alcoholic.

PS. http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090220a1.html

 

[Pachipro]

No need to apologize konki d. Although some people may be incited to post angry and indignant responses, I am ok with that as I am used to it, but practically everything I have mentioned over the years has come to pass or is coming to pass. One look at the economies of the world and the stock markets today should show you that. My only aim is to make people wake up. Whether they choose to do so is up to them.

I know alot of this is hard to swallow konki d and is really "outside the box" of what normal people have been taught and believe, but there is much documentation available on the internet to back up what I say as well as many numerous books you could read beginning with "The Creature From Jekyll Island" or you can view the video here. This book and video details how our country was taken over in 1913 by the wealthy elite and interenational bankers to control the money supply of the nation as they were also successful in doing the same in England.

Once you understand that currencies as well as stock markets and commodities, etc ARE manipulated by the "powers that be" (Those that actually pull the puppet strings of the so-called leaders of the world) you then may have a better understanding of what I am saying. I am not trying to be condescending. I am trying to make people open their eyes and understand. Obama would never have been elected president, or the prime ministers of England been elected, or the Prime Ministers of major European countries, without having first been "tapped" and "selected" by those above. Those that are the true rulers. Never has been in the recent history of the last 50 years. The last one to warn us was President Eisenhower who warned us of the dangers of the "Industrial-Military complex:

"We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose and insidious in method..." and warned about what he saw as unjustified government spending proposals and continued with a warning that "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex... Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

You could also read "Rule By Secrecy", by Jim Marrs or "The True Story of the Builderberg Group" to get more insight and history as to who is actually running the major countries of the world and their plans for a One World Government and One World Bank. Be sure you read the reviews of the books linked above, read them or google them further and make up your own mind. Soon you may also discover in that, in trying to disprove their theories/claims, as I had, you may also discover the real truth about what is going on and how we are duped by the major media, all major media, which they have also been successful in buying up over the years and are now controlled by them.

And none of this is theory as there is much publicly, available proof available to those willing to look at it. Just google Nathan Rothschild, Rockefellers, Builderberg Group, One World Government, Zbignew Brzezinski, for starters. However, you will never read about this in ANY newspaper worldwide or hear it on the 6 o'clock news for the reason I mentioned above.

And as I also mentioned in my post, Japan was finally sucked in to this global government in the Koizumi administration and the taking over of the private Postal Savings institutions by the international "bankers" ("bankstas" as I prefer to call them) and their being duped (forced?) into buying ABS's etc by the bankstas.

Today, the top news on Bloomberg is "Possible Bank Nationalization?"
Markets are crashing all over the world and the only solution will be for a one world bank to solve the worlds woes.

Therefore, before you claim I do not know what I am talking about, or that I am "off base" please check out the video and books listed above, do some independent research to prove me wrong, and then make your statement. Also, I could provide you with many other video links and books that you can read for further information.

I leave you with the following quotes:

1987 -- The Secret Constitution and the Need for Constitutional Change is sponsored in part by the Rockefeller Foundation. Some thoughts of author Arthur S. Miller are: "...a pervasive system of thought control exists in the United States...the citizenry is indoctrinated by employment of the mass media and the system of public education... people are told what to think about... the old order is crumbling... Nationalism should be seen as a dangerous social disease...A new vision is required to plan and manage the future, a global vision that will transcend national boundaries and eliminate the poison of nationalistic solutions...a new Constitution is necessary."

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller

ﾂ"I sincerely believe that banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies.ﾂ" – Thomas Jefferson

ﾂ"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.ﾂ" – President Woodrow Wilson, 1919 (He signed the Federal Reserve into power in 1913.)

"The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." — Thomas Jefferson, Founding Father, Third President of the United States, and the principal author of the US Declaration of Independence"

ﾂ"Permit me to control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.ﾂ" – Mayer Rothschild, Patriarch of the Rothschild family and who, through a false rumor, took over the stock market of England during a war with Napoleon and started the first Central Bank".

Still think I am off base?

 

[JerseyBoy]

And as I also mentioned in my post, Japan was finally sucked in to this global government in the Koizumi administration and the taking over of the private Postal Savings institutions by the international "bankers" ("bankstas" as I prefer to call them) and their being duped (forced?) into buying ABS's etc by the bankstas.

I read somewhere the Koizumi plan privatized Japan Post by breaking it down into 4 different business units.

I am interested in how the international financiers were able to tap into JP's savings deposits (it seems almost all of its deposits have been parked in Japan's national bonds.)

I am a very skeptic on Japan's outlook going forward. Its economic model always counts on exports to pull itself out of its economic downturn. That model cannot be sustained any longer.

Today, the top news on Bloomberg is "Possible Bank Nationalization?"
Markets are crashing all over the world and the only solution will be for a one world bank to solve the worlds woes.

UK has nationalized its banks (some of the major ones at least), along with some of other European countries. Can you tell me how nationalized banks can morph into one world bank? I have a difficulty in reconciling claims on how different national governments can agree to set up one esoteric world bank by giving up their sovereignty.

 

[Dogen Z]

...And as I also mentioned in my post, Japan was finally sucked in to this global government in the Koizumi administration and the taking over of the private Postal Savings institutions by the international "bankers" ("bankstas" as I prefer to call them) and their being duped (forced?) into buying ABS's etc by the bankstas.

Today, the top news on Bloomberg is "Possible Bank Nationalization?"
Markets are crashing all over the world and the only solution will be for a one world bank to solve the worlds woes...QUOTE]


Japan Post Bank invested only a small part of its assets internationally, and it used BlackRock Asset Management, which was savvy enough avoid most of the problems of asset backed securities. So Japan Post Bank is not in any trouble. [OTOH, two Japanese banks, which are owned by foreign interests and managed like American banks (Aozora and Shinsei Bank), were badly burned by investing in CMO backed assets. Norinchukin Bank, which is a semi-private bank that had avoided real estate speculation during the Japanese bubble years, was also burned but not that badly.] The current problem in Japan is not centerd on banking, although many local/regional banks have never recovered from the problems of the bubble years. The problem is a sudden, drop in demand in international and domestic markets. We may soon be using the word depression rather than recession.

The Bloomberg article refers to Citibank and Bank of America, which may be candidates for nationalization, but the Obama Administration is trying to do everything to avoid that. I hope it's successful for our sake.

 

[JerseyBoy]

The Bloomberg article refers to Citibank and Bank of America, which may be candidates for nationalization, but the Obama Administration is trying to do everything to avoid that. I hope it's successful for our sake.

In a practical sense, those banks are already semi-nationalized through the cap on their workers' salaries and coaxing for increased lending. It would be in a matter of a few months before the inevitable nationalization will engulf America's major too-big-to-fail banks.

The problem is a sudden, drop in demand in international and domestic markets. We may soon be using the word depression rather than recession.

Japan has been very weak on domestic consumption even after it feebly recovered from the lost decade. Coupled with the collapse in the export markets (which helped Japan pull itself out of the decade-long recession or economic stagnation), I strongly believe Japan is headed toward the depression-strength economic slump over the course of several quarters (if not in one or two quarters). Japan is no better shape than USA in terms of the economic outlook.

 

[Pachipro]

I read somewhere the Koizumi plan privatized Japan Post by breaking it down into 4 different business units.

I am interested in how the international financiers were able to tap into JP's savings deposits (it seems almost all of its deposits have been parked in Japan's national bonds.)

You can get a better idea on how the "new" system works by clicking on this link. In the story it says:

Starting Monday, Japan Post Bank, a behemoth with \188 trillion in deposits, will be allowed to start investing in riskier financial products instead of Japan's safe but staid government bonds. The bank is also hoping to offer mortgage loans and credit cards.

The key point here in the article from 2007 is "start investing in riskier financial products instead of...safe government bonds." In other words the international community wanted to get theiur grubby hands on Japan's massive savings that were only being invested in internal infrastructure and such. That much money MUST be in international hands in a "world economy", or so they believe.

I wonder what "riskier" investments they made and if they invested in US Mortgage Backed Securities and Asset Backed Securities at the height of the real estate boom in the US in 2007? My intuition tells me they did as there was a great push on Koizumi to get it finalized.

In 2001 the very influential Brookings Institution (An American "Think Tank") called for an end to Japan's Postal Savings saying,

Once upon a time, Postal Savings was useful. When the banking and insurance sectors were weak and fragmented, a nationwide government-run institution made sense, helping the public to accept the notion of saving in the form of bank deposits or through purchase of basic life insurance. These nationwide programs also provided a useful way to collect money that the government could lend for critically needed public infrastructure projects. When Japan was poor, and still catching up with the industrialized nations, postal savings funds helped finance investment in electric power, railroads, highways, hospitals and other revenue-generating projects. Overall, these funds were invested wisely, and all Japanese should be proud at the record of investment for most of the past half-century.

...However, that era was over by the mid-1970s. By that time the private banking sector was very well developed. Now Postal Savings competes with the private sector for deposits. Furthermore, the relative role of Postal Savings has actually increased over time. In the late 1960s, during the height of high-speed economic development and the related need for government-sponsored public infrastructure investment, Postal Savings deposits represented 14-15 percent of total time deposits in the nation. That ratio has more than doubled to 33 percent in recent years.

To me this is meddeling in a foreign countries affairs and if one cannot understand how Japan is so easily controlled by America and the elite international financial institutions, this should at least help convince some.

Why would they NOT also call for privatization of the US postal system which is very inept and loses billions yearly all at taxpayer expense? Very hypocritical if you ask me.

The system worked well in Japan and was very successful and since all savings were guaranteed by the government, it was the safest place for Japanese to invest their savings at interest rates well above what banks were paying and now this safe-haven for Japanese savings is destroyed and the money is now available to be invested, and lost, in the world economy instead of just the Japanese economy as it should be.

And here is a personal letter from Ralph Nader to the head of "Japan Post" and a cc to PM Koizumi, dated August 9, 2005 against privatization in which he says

It should be remembered that Japan's postal savings system is not only a convenience; it has helped extend financial services broadly and assisted efforts to stabilize and stimulate the economy for years through public works projects..

A very sad blow to Japan's economic independence if you ask me and further proof that Japan, as well as any industrialized country, does NOT act on its own, but are controlled by people way higher up than any government and that Japan is now in the US's nightmare.

 

[JerseyBoy]

You can get a better idea on how the "new" system works by clicking on this link. In the story it says:


The key point here in the article from 2007 is "start investing in riskier financial products instead of...safe government bonds." In other words the international community wanted to get theiur grubby hands on Japan's massive savings that were only being invested in internal infrastructure and such. That much money MUST be in international hands in a "world economy", or so they believe.

Thanks for the link. The article said Japan Postal Bank needs to follow the proper risk management under the securities laws. So, it is not a blank cheque to the free-for-all in the world financial carnival.

Because the employees at Japan Postal Bank are ex-government bureaucrats, I doubt they would be too adventurous with exotic and esoteric financial instruments. Japan's private banks have been very conservative (even though, I am sure, they have been tempted with the easy money the Western banks were making before this whole financial fiasco).

 

[caster51]

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China is buying the resource in the world by the low price.
Japan doesn't do anything. And, becoming introvert.
Many of Japanese convince that only subordination toward America is way as the nation.
I think Stupid Japanese politicians like koizumi are aways thinking to follow only USA.
as for Japan, It will start from awareness that the United States subordination is a national policy that is already self-destruction in the future of Japan.

A subordination debater to U.S. is already a traitor.
Only people who respect the patriot and the spirit of the United States should insist that subordination toward America be stopped.

Why is the subordination to the United States by the Japanese and politician called a nationalist or right winger strong?

it must be opposite

it is really stupid

 

[JerseyBoy]

Many of Japanese convince that only subordination toward America is way as the nation.
I think Stupid Japanese politicians like koizumi are aways thinking to follow only USA.

You cannot blame them for following American leadership as Japan wants to keep American military protection. Given the poor fiscal health of the Japanese government, it won't be able to afford its own full-fledged military due to the resultant impact of increased defense spending. Also, Japan's exporters consider the USA one of the most important markets.

 

[caster51]

You cannot blame them for following American leadership as Japan wants to keep American military protection. Given the poor fiscal health of the Japanese government, it won't be able to afford its own full-fledged military due to the resultant impact of increased defense spending. Also, Japan's exporters consider the USA one of the most important markets

You seem to know only the thing of a formal article
It is likely to be exposed gradually.

It means the United States weakening became remarkable.
Naturally, privatization of postal services is included in that.

 

[JerseyBoy]

You seem to know only the thing of a formal article

Your previous post listed many news articles. Are you speaking of yourself, as that comment is more suitable to you than me?

It is likely to be exposed gradually.
It means the United States weakening became remarkable.
Naturally, privatization of postal services is included in that.

I don't understand your comment. A very interesting syntax...

 

[caster51]

Your previous post listed many news articles. Are you speaking of yourself, as that comment is more suitable to you than me?.

it is not so simple like this

You cannot blame them for following American leadership as Japan wants to keep American military protection. Given the poor fiscal health of the Japanese government, it won't be able to afford its own full-fledged military due to the resultant impact of increased defense spending. Also, Japan's exporters consider the USA one of the most important markets

you should link these like me..
at least, these articles are better than your simple story
anyway, The ploblem is how to interpret from these yourself.

for example
you dont understand it started long United States weakening and simple principle
How does it become it if a big bubble pops once?
A long adjustment is needed.
China will also pass same road some time.
The United States before has surpassed this adjustment by the war.

 

[JerseyBoy]

it is not so simple like this
you should link these like me.
at least, these articles are better than your simple story
anyway, The ploblem is how to interpret from these yourself.

for example
you dont understand it started long United States weakening and simple principle
How does it become it if a big bubble pops once?
A long adjustment is needed.
China will also pass same road some time.
The United States before has surpassed this adjustment by the war.

Since I don't consider you are qualified to give me an unsolicited advise, please note I will disregard your post. Instead of insulting someone's intelligence, I suggest you stay on the topics discussing the actual content.

What I said is what it is in reality. From the way you are writing (which is in painfully awkward English, if I may add), I think you could not disprove my comments. I am not talking about what the reality should be and how the bilateral relationship should be reshaped, as that is just an opinion and what you are saying.

 

[Pachipro]

UK has nationalized its banks (some of the major ones at least), along with some of other European countries. Can you tell me how nationalized banks can morph into one world bank? I have a difficulty in reconciling claims on how different national governments can agree to set up one esoteric world bank by giving up their sovereignty.

Sorry I missed this. It's very easy for nationalized banks to morph into a One World Bank once you understand how the banking systems today operate.

All countries have what is called a Central Bank. In effect they are a private bank owned by the wealthiest people (usually European or of European descent) in the world that lend money to the governments at interest with nothing like gold and/or silver to back up the currency.

By doing this they can create inflation or deflation by increasing or decreasing the money supply and earn money from the working class people by charging interest. In effect it is outright extortion and protection money paid to these gangsters. With inflation, known as a hidden tax, they can take more of our hard earned money.

In other words, most of the currency in the world today is just "paper" and has absolutely no value whatsoever save for what the central banks say it is and they demand payment for "lending" money to these governments and that is why the IRS was established. The IRS is nothing more than a collection agency of the "bankstas" to make sure they receive their interest payments. Neither the Federal Reserve, nor the IRS are governmental agencies if the truth be known.

The governments of these countries did not just do this on their own as it it basically a very stupid idea and very uneconomical to say the least. Besides, it is legalized theft. These governments were coerced into forming a central bank through force or some other intimidation too detailed to go into here.

For the last 100 or more years it served their purpose. Now "their" aim is to form a world government under a central bank and a one world monetary system so they can control everything as their greed knows no bounds.

To form a world bank is very easy. As they control the economies and banks of all major industrialized countries, all they have to do is create the right crisis and the economies of the world will go broke as is happening this very day and on a daily basis before our very eyes.

Soon major countries, as their economies collapse due to the derivatives bubble (created by the bankers), will be begging for a solution and that solution will be for the World Monetary Fund (WMF) and the World Bank to come to their rescue by bailing them out and taking over the banks. Very easy and simple as we are witnessing. All countries and banks are in chaos today They will be willing give control of their banks and economies to the One World Order as the people will be rioting because they have lost their jobs.

Perhaps this video will better explain the role of Central Banks better than I can and you will have a better understanding.

Both John F. Kennedy with his Executive Order 11110, and President Lincoln, who decided to print "greenbacks" to finance the Civil War, tried to usurp the power of the Federal Reserve/Central Bank and they were both assassinated for it. Kennedy was assassinated some 5 months after he signed the Executive Order and Lincoln also some time after the war.

Look at the video, look at the other related videos, read the executive order linked above and you may have a better understanding on just how easily soverign countries will lead their people down the road to a One World Government and banking system within the next few years. However, if enough people awaken to what is happening to their countries and families, it can be defeated.

I hope this helps.

 

[JerseyBoy]

The IRS is nothing more than a collection agency of the "bankstas" to make sure they receive their interest payments. Neither the Federal Reserve, nor the IRS are governmental agencies if the truth be known.

I agree some of tax revenues will go toward the interest payments. But, through its revenue collection agency, the IRS, the government uses its revenues to finance various programs domestically and internationally. So, paying interests to bankers is one of many purposes the government levies taxes.

To form a world bank is very easy. As they control the economies and banks of all major industrialized countries, all they have to do is create the right crisis and the economies of the world will go broke as is happening this very day and on a daily basis before our very eyes.

There have been some opinions on on an origin of the current financial crisis. It seems it is basically fueled by greed, short term profit raking by financial and banking industries, irresponsible consumers, sleeping-at-the-helm government / regulatory agencies, and so on. In my opinion, this crisis is not created with this outcome in mind.

Soon major countries, as their economies collapse due to the derivatives bubble (created by the bankers), will be begging for a solution and that solution will be for the World Monetary Fund (WMF) and the World Bank to come to their rescue by bailing them out and taking over the banks. Very easy and simple as we are witnessing. All countries and banks are in chaos today They will be willing give control of their banks and economies to the One World Order as the people will be rioting because they have lost their jobs.

An individual sovereign country contributes to The IMF and the WB, which in turn lends and extend loans to help other countries in a financially weak condition, distress, or on the verge of financial collapse. Some countries will seek loans or support from those international institutions as some have already done. Under those circumstances, the recipient countries will be subject to the terms of the loans.

But, I feel it is quite a stretch to say those institutions will become a global central bank with a mandate to control their member countries. Some member countries who are contributing billions to them will not want to make themselves subservient to the IMF and the WB.

Both John F. Kennedy with his Executive Order 11110, and President Lincoln, who decided to print "greenbacks" to finance the Civil War, tried to usurp the power of the Federal Reserve/Central Bank and they were both assassinated for it. Kennedy was assassinated some 5 months after he signed the Executive Order and Lincoln also some time after the war.

I know the JFK assassination has been ripe with conspiracy theories. I have no interest in arguing on this with you as everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.

But, I am a skeptic to say the least. There are many ways to tie together one piece of info with the other to make up an appearance of valid cause-and-effect. But, oftentimes, it could be just a coincidence or a selective mining of information which help create the desired connection.