Iran is a symbol of peace and in a position of defense

[Mansoor]

First of all, I avoid the political and national arguments. So, my purpose of this post is not to argue about Americans and Iranians, because, since I became familiar with JapanReference and the American members here, I was happy with their fairness and politeness. Despite our differences of opinion, during these years, they didn't do anything to make me uneasy and sad.

But I speak about Trump, the president of America. He tricked us unmanly, just during an indirect official negotiation, which was held in Qatar between the foreign minister of Iran and an American envoy.


Just when we were negotiating honestly, he supported (in fact ordered) Israelis to do a series of air strikes on some of our cities, facilities, and military bases, among our nuclear labs and factories. Trump surprised us with that unaware air invasion by Israelis under the cover of a negotiation that was a trick, whereas we had trusted him.

He had given the Israelis tens of stealth F-25 and F-35 fighters already for such lawless air strikes against Iran. We couldn't discover that devilish plan due to our trust in the American policy system for a fair negotiation.

However, during the Israeli attack, which lasted 12 days, the US bombers, B-2, targeted one of our underground nuclear centers, that probably a part of the establishment was damaged.

The plan and action of the White House, whether it's about supporting the criminal Israelis or American aircraft attacking our nuclear facilities, was a huge mistake against international laws, and we were not the initiator of the confrontation.

After two days, we responded to the attack and brought the Israeli military installations, bases, and airports under heavy ballistic missile fire. However, our armed forces only used a third of the missile power, not all of it. Nevertheless, the missiles turned the Israeli establishments into hell. That caused Israelis to fear, stop the airstrikes, and withdraw.

Israelis attacked some of our cities and ruined the number of our establishments and facilities, and we did the same in response to stop that savage wolf (Netanyahu).


This Is one of the Israel airstrikes to civilians of Iran





And this is one of the responses of the Iranian army to Israelis with ballistic missiles (2000 Km)








And this is one of tens of Iran's underground missile cities





We love peace and good relations with governments and nations. Israel is an exception. The Israelis are a group of occupiers, and their regime and systems are illegal. So, we are not interested in having any relation with such a bloodthirsty and illegal regime. Aside from Israel, we love other people, among American people. Our avoidance of having relations with America is due to its government that tries to overcome other governments and people forcefully, and bullying. The leader of Iran said, " If America (White House) leaves supporting Israel and militarism, then we would decide how to deal with it". However, Iran has a lovable and humane people and government.

The Israelis are lying that Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb. It is our red line, and we will never cross this line. All our weapons are conventional and are absolutely defensive. They are a deterrent against probable risky threats (like the norm of other territories).

Sincerely
Mansoor

 

[Lothor]

I'm not disagreeing with your post's contents (though countries should know better than to believe that Trump would negotiate honestly). However, it is full of political and national arguments!

 

[Mansoor]

I spoke honestly and wanted to explain how Iran has been oppressed.

If we interpret nationality to racism, you are right, whereas nationality is not racism, rather is identity of a person. The nations of the world are like some neighbors that each one live in a house in a neighborhood. Each country is like a house and each nation is like a family and all the nations are in a neighborhood that is the earth. If something happens for one of the house, that family have to announce other families inevitably, and I did the same.

My purpose was not to separate Iran from other countries but explained the adventure. I showed the missile cities so that you know Iran is not a weak territory and it has enough defensive weapons against the militant regime, Israel.

What I expressed didn't mean racism or nationalism. I also didn't speak politically and I wanted to express the manner and mood of Iranians that are peaceful and were not faulty in the twelve-day engagement. I wanted to say, we were oppressed and rightful in that conflict. So, my word was neither due to nationalism nor was political.

 

[Lothor]

Like I said, I wasn't disagreeing with you. My experience of dealing with Muslims is that they are people of honour, so I sympathise with your frustration at having to deal with the US. And I didn't think for one second that there was any racist sentiment in your post.

 

[mdchachi]

whereas we had trusted him.

We couldn't discover that devilish plan due to our trust in the American policy system for a fair negotiation.

I find this hard to believe. Iran would never trust the Americans, especially the most dishonorable, untrustworthy President the U.S. has had in living memory.

he supported (in fact ordered) Israelis to do a series of air strikes

This statement is not verified. It's more likely he agreed to the Israeli action rather than ordered it.

 

[Mansoor]

I find this hard to believe. Iran would never trust the Americans, especially the most dishonorable, untrustworthy President the U.S. has had in living memory.

Trust for a rational negotiation.

Meanwhile, "American" is a general word. We are suspicious of the White House's policies, not Americans. In this case, we suppose that Trump was interested in negotiating to resolve his misunderstanding of the Iranian nuclear activities, but didn't notice the plan behind the offer.

he supported (in fact ordered) Israelis to do a series of air strikes

We know, Israelis don't dare to do anything against Iran unless they consult with the White House to get an order. They also need the armaments, military satellite data support, and operations management of the US. Israel is too weak on its own to confront Iran. So it must be accepted that the commander-in-chief and supporter of that 12-day clash was the White House.

 

[salyavin]

I wouldn't say order, I would say more like permission.
Japan for example had Taft–Katsura agreement - Wikipedia and Root–Takahira Agreement - Wikipedia which one could argue is permission from the United States administration for some of their activities. In the case of Israel I doubt it is publicly documented but may well exist and similarly to agreements with Japan would not be an order but an agreement or permission. The US does have a special relationship with Israel that may involve over handed defence in the case of retaliation so I get your point of US backing them up that did not exist with Japan at the time of those earlier agreements.

 

[Mansoor]

If we call the issue order or permission there is no difference. When Trump issues a permission it does mean the same order, though it seems different on paper.

We suppose it was a permission and permission is not the same order or is a type of satisfaction for doing an action, so why the White House itself participated in the attack overtly with some warplanes , whereas the Iranian nuclear activities are under the supervision of the United Nations Atomic Energy Agency (NPT, Non-Proliferation Treaty)?

 

[Lothor]

If we call the issue order or permission there is no difference. When Trump issues a permission it does mean the same order, though it seems different on paper.

We suppose it was a permission and permission is not the same order or is a type of satisfaction for doing an action, so why the White House itself participated in the attack overtly with some warplanes , whereas the Iranian nuclear activities are under the supervision of the United Nations Atomic Energy Agency (NPT, Non-Proliferation Treaty)?

In the case of Trump, it's more of a nod and a wink to avoid future accountability, such as the attempted coup at the White House in 2021.
I'll never know why that wasn't a deal-breaker for most Americans in 2024.