I am happy to speak with you

[Knave]

How do you say... (My attempts are to the right)

I am happy to speak with you. Anata to hanashite shiawase da

I am happy that I spoke with you. - ????

I am happy that you spoke to me. - Watashi wa anata ni hanashite shiawase da.

I am sad that I came to the party. - Paatii ni kite kanashii.

I am sad that the boy came to the party. - Otoko no ko ni paatii ni kite kanashii.

I really don't know if these are right at all, but it is just my attempt.

Thanks a lot for all of your help!!!

 

[GreenCat]

How do you say... (My attempts are to the right)
I am happy to speak with you. Anata to hanashite shiawase da
I am happy that I spoke with you. - ????
I am happy that you spoke to me. - Watashi wa anata ni hanashite shiawase da.
I am sad that I came to the party. - Paatii ni kite kanashii.
I am sad that the boy came to the party. - Otoko no ko ni paatii ni kite kanashii.
I really don't know if these are right at all, but it is just my attempt.
Thanks a lot for all of your help!!!

Um generally they are not like totally wrong but this sort of direct translation changes the meaning a bit. However, people will understand you, so in a way, you are right.


If I am only to check the grammars, there is only one sentence wrong and it is just a careless mistake I believe:
I am sad that the boy came to the party. - Otoko no ko (ga) paatii ni kite kanashii.


Now more complicated stuff:?

>>I am happy to speak with you. Anata to hanashite shiawase da

Firstly we have to understand whether "I am happy" literally means to be happy or means "I am willing to".

If former:
"I am happy being able to talk to you"
あなた と はなせるのが（はなせて） しあわせ です(だ)

Here comes the question why 「はなせて」 conveys the feeling of being happy better than 「はなして」. And the answer, I can only guess(so what I explain maybe right and maybe wrong):

「はなした」(past tense)
「はなして」
I hesitate to say this with confidence because there could be some exceptions but this てform of barb is used, as well as for making requested, to put some stress on completion.

For instance,
さくら が みれて しあわせ(だ)。
I am happy that I could see cherry blossoms.
(The season is over or have to go back to somewhere that he/she can't see it)

食事をして、映画を見て、それから帰って寝る。
(Notice, only one action at a time can be done, in other words watching movie is a result of having fished eating)

So if someone appreciate being able talk to someone and the time being not over yet, then:
あなた と はなせるのが（はなせて） しあわせ です(だ)

whereas

"Anata to hanashite shiawase da" might implies that the time is over or soon be over.

Nevertheless, some native Japanese speakers might not think like this, so we need more opinions before jumping to the conclusion.

Also for the same reason, I feel 「あなた と はなせるのが しあわせ です(だ)」 has stronger emphasis on current state compared to 「あなた と はなせて しあわせ です(だ)」might imply that the time is over.

Oh for the last note, 「あなた と はなせるのが しあわせ です(だ)」 might sounds a little too romantic or passionate for casual use. Because, you know, a person literary feeling happy for just talking to someone is either mad, like me, or in love with that someone.


Now, I consider the later case, "I am willing to speak with you" or "I am pleased to speak with you".
「喜んで （あなたと, omitted often ） お話します」
Raring to speak

「お話できるのがうれしいです。」
maybe a bit excessive, speaker must be a big fun of the person, to whom the speaker is talking to, for she/he to be saying this.

Because of time constrains etc, I leave the rest for the other members on the forum or I will deal with the rest tomorrow again.

 

[Elizabeth]

Um generally they are not like totally wrong but this sort of direct translation changes the meaning a bit. However, people will understand you, so in a way, you are right.


If I am only to check the grammars, there is only one sentence wrong and it is just a careless mistake I believe:
I am sad that the boy came to the party. - Otoko no ko (ga) paatii ni kite kanashii.


Now more complicated stuff:?

>>I am happy to speak with you. Anata to hanashite shiawase da

Firstly we have to understand whether "I am happy" literally means to be happy or means "I am willing to".

Hanasete (Have the opportunity to talk) tanoshii (tanoshikatta, ureshikatta, ureshikuomoimashita etc). I think conveys a sense of enjoyment or delight in the experience of, in other words receiving pleasure from the other person's company. Shiawase better reflects a more permanent state of internally derived satisfaction.
(For blessings and good fortune in life etc).


And if you're cynical like me, "I am/was happy to talk with you" more often than not coming across as insincere and sarcastic in English.

 

[Knave]

If I am only to check the grammars, there is only one sentence wrong and it is just a careless mistake I believe:
I am sad that the boy came to the party. - Otoko no ko (ga) paatii ni kite kanashii.

If "Otoko no ko ga paatii ni kite kanashii" (I am sad that the boy came to the party), then how would one say...

The boy is sad and is coming to the party.
The boy is sad about coming to the party.

I know that the former sentence is a bit ridiculous, but the only reason why I ask is just for clarification.

For instance,
さくら が みれて しあわせ(だ)。
I am happy that I could see cherry blossoms.
(The season is over or have to go back to somewhere that he/she can't see it)

Why in that sentence is the particle "ga" and not "o"? Could it be confused that a girl named Sakura is happy to have been able to see "it"?

Also for the same reason, I feel 「あなた と はなせるのが しあわせ です(だ)」 has stronger emphasis on current state compared to 「あなた と はなせて しあわせ です(だ)」might imply that the time is over.

So in other words, the former means something like, "I am happy to speak with you" and the latter means, "I am happy to have spoken with you"; is this right?

Thanks a lot for all the help and hope to see what else people have to say about the rest of my sentences.

 

[Toritoribe]

Why in that sentence is the particle "ga" and not "o"?

が[Ga] is used to indicate objects of state verbs including potential forms like as 見れる[mireru].
彼は英語が話せる[eigo ga hanaseru]: He can speak English.
お金が要る[okane ga iru]: I need money.

Could it be confused that a girl named Sakura is happy to have been able to see "it"?

Grammatically, that's possible. But generally the context makes it clear. So you don't need to worry about it too much.;-)

 

[GreenCat]

If "Otoko no ko ga paatii ni kite kanashii" (I am sad that the boy came to the party), then how would one say...

The boy is sad and is coming to the party.
The boy is sad about coming to the party.

I know that the former sentence is a bit ridiculous, but the only reason why I ask is just for clarification.

"Otoko no ko ga paatii ni kite kanashii"
Just like 「仕事が終わって、嬉しい」, there is resultant state involved here.

For example:
"Oh, the boy has come, I'm sad" As to why "I'm sad", it is not explained. Maybe the speaker was betting on whether he comes or he does not or simply does not like the boy.

Originally Posted by GreenCat View Post
For instance,
さくら が みれて しあわせ(だ)。
I am happy that I could see cherry blossoms.
(The season is over or have to go back to somewhere that he/she can't see it)
Why in that sentence is the particle "ga" and not "o"? Could it be confused that a girl named Sakura is happy to have been able to see "it"?

Hmm, the problem is to do with understanding Ga article.

So I have to consider the role of "が" which is quite a work honestly...

I have a "Dictionary of Japanese Particles" by Sue A. Kawashima (22 US dollar) and there are 9 pages devoted for this particle Ga: The book is written in pretty bad English but she has covered articles pretty thoroughly, so maybe you should check your local university for this book or of the same kind.

＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞。
Now, I copy off the dictionary:
A major function of the particle "Ga" is to emphasise the subject by following directly after it.

This is my own comment: を can be used in place of が sometimes as well.

To express desire, need, ability or opinion, "ga" follow the topic
わたしは アイスクリーム が 食べたい

かのじょは おんがく が 好き です
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.
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"Ga" often follows a noun that is modified by an adjective
なみが たかい

きぶん が いい

へや が あつい
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Sentences with intransitive verbs usually have subjects that are followed by "ga".
と が しまる

でんき が きえた

つき が でた

＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞＞
（わたしは、omitted as usual） さくら が みえて しあわせだ
This sentence falls in the 1st case I mentioned, " To express desire, need, ability or opinion, "ga" follow the topic" of ability.

みえて is potential form of verb or something 可能形？
Thank you Tortoribe, I could not remember this verb form

が[Ga] is used to indicate objects of state verbs including potential forms like as 見れる[mireru].

わたしは さくら が みえる。 それ が しあわせだ。

As to reasoning, there was interesting article posted earlier by Elizabeth:
Usage of ｢しね｣ or ｢し｣ to end a sentence.

I do not know if I explained well enough, but like a word "get" in English has many meanings, the article Ga has many slightly different usages and different particles are used for different verb forms and types of topics. Trying to cover all of those will take hmm, more than a week for sure, so please allow me to leave off here.

Originally Posted by GreenCat View Post
Also for the same reason, I feel 「あなた と はなせるのが しあわせ です(だ)」 has stronger emphasis on current state compared to 「あなた と はなせて しあわせです(だ)」might imply that the time is over.

So in other words, the former means something like, "I am happy to speak with you" and the latter means, "I am happy to have spoken with you"; is this right?

The difference is very subtle but yes. Not as much as Elizabeth mentioned how it is in English, but the sentence rarely is but can be used in exactly the same way.

Hanasete (Have the opportunity to talk)
And if you're cynical like me, "I am/was happy to talk with you" more often than not coming across as insincere and sarcastic in English.

While the later, 「あなた と はなせるのが しあわせ です(だ)」 is a lot harder to be used for the intention like Elizabeth told us.


Now second sentence..:
I am happy that I spoke with you. - ????

I am happy hat I spoke with you
あなたと はなして(せて) よかった。

A word like しあわせ or うれしい sounds bit too strong as I explained, so I picked よかった
Now maybe see you tomorrow again.

p.s

Hanasete (Have the opportunity to talk)
And if you're cynical like me, "I am/was happy to talk with you" more often than not coming across as insincere and sarcastic in English.

Thank you that is something I did not know...omg but this means quite few people were being ironic to me in the past...