Of course you can. European statistics eg. have shown that some 5-15% (varies per region, social class, education level etc.) of people are racist to certain degrees.osias said:I don't think there is any statistics, it is not anything that you can count by numbers.
Not as you do, IMO.Deductive reasoning is often good enough when there are so many evidences.
Yeah, & you "can read so many firsthand experiences" about other countries as well.You can read so many firsthand experiences in other forums.
Anti-Japanese propaganda has a reason, you know. How much hatred is there in Korea for other countries (esp. for those which are not direct competitors for regional power & resources?)Hatred is ingrained in their culture. Have you seen the "Fxxx Japan" posters that Korean kids are forced to draw?
&? So many Japanese are liars. So many Chinese are liars. So many Germans are liars. So many people are liars. That's not a particular cultural trait, but human. The public acceptance of lying may vary from culture to culture, but the occurrence is human.osias said:This Korean editorial is honest though, he admits that so many Koreans are liars.
Only if it were a fact, but it seems more like you are just as prejudiced as you allege they are.Don't take this as an insult. I'm not trying to insult anybody.
We just have to face the fact as it is.
Nope, I read it before I posted my last response & there is no statistic about lying in Korea. What you talk about are crime statistics & they don't say much about the general population.osias said:Did you ever try to read the articles (in English or Japanese)? I want to know what you guys think about it. There is some statistics that shows the frequency of lying in Korea
You may want to have a look at actual crime statistics before you sputter your prejudice around:you may want to have a look at it, before you call anyone prejudiced
bossel said:You may want to have a look at actual crime statistics before you sputter your prejudice around:
Fraud statistics
#1 Germany 10.8668 per 1,000 people
#2 United Kingdom 5.28324 per 1,000 people
#3 New Zealand 5.14126 per 1,000 people
#4 Finland 2.86483 per 1,000 people
#5 Korea, South 2.80023 per 1,000 people
Since I come from a country where fraud is a more often recorded crime, I'm probably a liar, too.
bossel said:Now let's have a look at this statistic about drug offences:
South Korea 9.9 per 100,000 people
Japan 22.2 per 100,000 people
Ooops! According to your way of judging, wouldn't that mean that Japan is a nation of drug dealers & addicts, compared to Korea?
godppgo said:I don't think any particular race of people have the tendency to lie more than the others. Lying is more like a trait reflection of a society's present state.
I know news and current affairs are helpful to understand the world better but you can't deny certain news are bias.I agree, too.
.....But,
It's a matter of relativity, you know, I come from a country where ppl are more honest in many respects. I wouldn't say the Japanese never lie, but the occurence is less frequent.
and that's what happens when they get ripped off during their stay in Korea (or maybe in other countries, too).
If you get tricked several times, you don't want to trust them again.
Minty said:Like I said the experiences of people getting ripped off and people experiencing some form of negative experiences in their lives are something that happen. Just because some Koreans didn't treat you well do not mean the entire Korean population is like that.
I agree with this, that's why I forgive but don't forget that's how you learn from your mistakes.
Again: Do you have any statistics to support your point?osias said:I wouldn't say the Japanese never lie, but the occurence is less frequent.
Individual experiences don't say much about a whole population in general.Sill, many koreans are liars in my view. If you get tricked several times, you don't want to trust them again.
But about Chinese, as you did above?look at the thread title "How do Modern Japanese Feel about Koreans?" We are not talking about Germans in this thread, anyway.
Nope, not my POV. That's the way you would probably see it, if that statistic were the other way round.Sure, a nation of drug addicts, according to your data from your point of view , but it's off topic. Again, look at the thread title, "How do Modern Japanese Feel about Koreans?"
You could find similar things in a lot of countries where the German team plays, esp. English "fans" are famous for something like this (although only a small minority actually behaves as crappy).osias said:Anti-Germany Propaganda by Koreans during the World Cup 2002.
There is a Hakenkreuz.
And another image says, "Hitler's sons, Go away!!"
Very well-mannered as a host country.
I wonder if this kind of behavior is tolerated in other countries. This simply was a shock to many Japanese.
I don't think it is fair to say Japanese people are more honest than Koreans.
bossel said:You could find similar things in a lot of countries where the German team plays, esp. English "fans" are famous for something like this (although only a small minority actually behaves as crappy).
You could find similar stuff in Germany when some other teams play here. That's the (hooligans') football world for you.
Lies in criminal records, like the ones I gave above, and below (in Japanese), are some of the indications, although they don't reveal all the lies they have made. Maybe these data only reveal the minimum.bossel said:Again: Do you have any statistics to support your point?
Individual experiences don't say much about a whole population in general.
But about Chinese, as you did above?
bossel said:Nope, not my POV. That's the way you would probably see it, if that statistic were the other way round.
Really??!!bossel said:You could find similar things in a lot of countries where the German team plays, esp. English "fans" are famous for something like this (although only a small minority actually behaves as crappy).
You could find similar stuff in Germany when some other teams play here. That's the (hooligans') football world for you.
wow, you have so much time..gaijinalways said:Interesting thread, just finished reading the whole thing (some parts of it again), since last time I didn't post.
I think it depends on the culture. Certainly, there are people who are honest and dishonest in every culture. Also, you have to look at situational lieing, where people are trying to get more money from tourists who the merchants don't feel know the real prices or simply want the convenience of buying something in the tourist areas.
In general, neither Japanese or Koreans put great store on telling the truth as compared to say, Americans. It's not that Americans are intrinsically more honest, it's just that it is emphasized more by the culture (whereas in Japanese culture harmony is more emphasized, sometimes at the expense of the truth).
But of course, some of the lies told in Japan, Koreas, and the US are more social lies. The Americans are less likely to tell these, but they still might, it's called using tact (i.e. avoiding hurting people's feelings by avoiding the truth or lieing).
You are right, and customers are generally treated with more respect in Japan compared to where I live in. It is unlikely that merchants rip you off, although it happens very occasionally like you see in news reports. (It never happened to me, personally. Am I lucky?)Now in Japan,ツ merchants generally sell itemsツ using marked prices, so usually you don't have to bargain as much (the same in the US, of course there are exceptions at markets, etc.), so there would be less room for selling something at an inflated price.
As to general feelings here in Japan towards Koreans, there are still problems. Of course the political differences don't help matters, nor does the past historical animosity over the occupation period. Some Korean things are fashionable here in Japan, but that doesn't mean that the Korean people (and culture) are fully accepted.
Ignorance about history is not good, though it probably is not helpful either to dwell on the more negative past events. I look more negatively on current events such as Korean school children sometimes being atttacked here (for wearing Korean school uniforms) and the finger pointing which is increasing due to some recent crimes perpetuated by foreign residents in Japan, heavily covered in the media. I think it is sad when even some of the long term foreigners start pointing to non-Japanese as the primary troublemakers here in Japan (usually Chinese, but sometimes Koreans), a point that the Japanese crime stats earlier posted in this thread don't support.
On the other hand, this Korean guy tells me that there is no such thing as discrimination in his own country because Korea is ethnically homogenious. (This is not true, but why do they believe this?)
Aside from the Jews, do the young French and Poles (and those from other countries in Europe that Germany invaded during WWII) still show animosity towards today's German people for their ancestors having invaded their countries and committing atrocities?
So why didn't Japan change China's spelling to "Qina" so it would be lower in order than Japan?
ツ真ツ青・窶佚・开ナ?テ。ナ?E
zhen shi da kai yan jie
which I'm not really sure of, either: that really broadens your mind
or: you should broaden your mind
or: something similar
or: something else
I did not say the entire population is like that, but many are like that.
Korean shopowners know simple words like, "How much?" in Japanese, Chinese, and English, and if you speak to them in Japanese, you get ripped off, so you should speak to them in Chinese, that's what the guide (an overseas Chinese person) said to me, and it works.
I think it depends on the culture. Certainly, there are people who are honest and dishonest in every culture. Also, you have to look at situational lieing, where people are trying to get more money from tourists who the merchants don't feel know the real prices or simply want the convenience of buying something in the tourist areas.
In general, neither Japanese or Koreans put great store on telling the truth as compared to say, Americans. It's not that Americans are intrinsically more honest, it's just that it is emphasized more by the culture (whereas in Japanese culture harmony is more emphasized, sometimes at the expense of the truth).
But of course, some of the lies told in Japan, Koreas, and the US are more social lies. The Americans are less likely to tell these, but they still might, it's called using tact (i.e. avoiding hurting people's feelings by avoiding the truth or lieing).
Now in Japan,ツ merchants generally sell itemsツ using marked prices, so usually you don't have to bargain as much (the same in the US, of course there are exceptions at markets, etc.), so there would be less room for selling something at an inflated price.
Maybe. But I find Korean patriotism very extreme..Minty said:It's probably because of patriotic ness.
wow, you have so much time..
Yes, nationalism is everywhere, but I guess Korea is consciously manipulateing their nationalism to pump up their hatred towards Japan. Blaming Japan for everything just obscures the present situation in S-Korea.gaijinalways said:Sometimes, I have some time, but I am at the start of another semester, so I will be very busy soon (if not already, but since it was my birthday yesterday..). Nationalism exists everywhere, but since I feel many national borders are meaningless, it doesn't mean much to me (except when I need a my passport and a visa to go somewhere). There are places on this globe to make a living, and some we will feel more comfortable in calling home.
That is something more than just brainwashing. It rather reminds of:osias said:These drawings by Korean students are so bizarre....