How do modern Japanese feel about Koreans?

ashuri2 · 1 Jul 2004

Glenn said:
I'm in the same boat here. When the whole anti-war vs. pro-war thing was going on I was against the war. I kept getting sick of people saying that being against the war was unpatriotic, and I remember thinking "what's so patriotic about blindly believing everything the government tells you, and that everything that your country does is right? Isn't it more patriotic to think critically about one's country's policies, and want them to be acceptable to people worldwide?" I think that canadian_kor has done an excellent job of capturing that sentiment.

i must agree. sometimes i say things that may sound anti-u.s., but it's because i'm so disgusted by some of the things we do, and i feel a responsibility to say what i think. after 9/11, with the huge outburst of partiotism, i had to consciously keep from joining in with a lot of people i know who began to openly discriminate against anyone who looked even remotely middle eastern- even if they actually weren't or were but not muslim, when i knew it wasn't ok if they were both. of course, i knew there was going to be a huge reaction after the tragedy, but it took a lot to remember that it was extremists who did it, not the people who live down the street from me or my friend at school who was iranian and quite frankly the nicest guy i knew at the time.

Golgo_13 · 1 Jul 2004

Yes. And Timothy McVay was not from the Middle east.

ashuri2 · 2 Jul 2004

Golgo_13 said:
Yes. And Timothy McVay was not from the Middle east.

my point exactly. it seems people can be a bit selective in who they choose to label, but i guess one couldn't expect america to label it's major 'ethnic' group terrorist. as long as it's some else...

cross-platform · 3 Jul 2004

ashuri2 said:
my point exactly. it seems people can be a bit selective in who they choose to label, but i guess one couldn't expect america to label it's major 'ethnic' group terrorist. as long as it's some else...

Indeed, people seem to forget a few things.....

1. People of any race/ethnic group/whatever can be muslim.
2. There are many other types of people that would want to hurt the U.S as a country, including it's own citizens.
3. Most importantly, Not all Muslims are terrorists! In fact, most aren't. Saying all Muslims are terrorists is like saying all Christians are members of the KKK.

Wow, we seem to have gone off topic here, heh. Sorry about that. But I guess that it goes to show that bigotry happens all over the world.

Golgo_13 · 3 Jul 2004

When I was in 1st grade in Osaka, Japan I had a classmate who was ethnically Korean (though he had a Japanese name). He referred to himself as "Chosen-jin" and his language as "Chosen-go". In fact, he taught me how to sing a Christmas carol--"Joy to the World"--in Korean.

That was almost 40 years ago and all I remember now are:

"Keepoo takuu .... "

Our Korean friends here can tell me if I still have it right.

canadian_kor · 3 Jul 2004

Golgo_13 said:
"Keepoo takuu .... "

Our Korean friends here can tell me if I still have it right.

Yup, you pretty much got it right (it's hard to translate Korean into Roman letters, for me at least). I think you Japanese have more of an advantage than us because you guys learn Romanji as a youngster in school.

I heard that the Kansai area (especially Osaka) has a large Korean population. However, if I ever visit there I probably see them more as Japanese than fellow Koreans.

Btw, has anyone seen Jopok lately? I miss reading his rants.

Golgo_13 · 3 Jul 2004

canadian_kor said:
I heard that the Kansai area (especially Osaka) has a large Korean population. However, if I ever visit there I probably see them more as Japanese than fellow Koreans.

There is a Korea Town with main neon signs in Hangul writing. I think it was called the "Tsuruhashi" district.

canadian_kor said:
Btw, has anyone seen Jopok lately? I miss reading his rants.

You should've been here when we had a pro-China member named "Jim83". He made Jopok's rants seem like whispers.

Glenn · 3 Jul 2004

Yeah, jim83 was, uh, unique. Fortunately, though, now he's banned.

canadian_kor · 3 Jul 2004

Golgo_13 said:
There is a Korea Town with main neon signs in Hangul writing. I think it was called the "Tsuruhashi" district.

Interesting you say this. When my mom went to Japan many years ago she said that she could not relate to the Koreans there because most of them had been assimilated into the Japanese culture. Most of them have Japanese first names and only speak Japanese. Once you have assimilated that far, it is hard to relate.

Golgo_13 · 13 Jul 2004

Jopok said:
Even in this day and age in Japan, Japanese people still think there窶冱 nothing wrong for them to call us 窶徊osenjin窶 which is like calling a black person the N word.

Wrong! Most Japanese today say "Kankoku-jin" to refer to Korean people. Just go to Japan and see for yourself.

However, when referring to the nation of N. Korea, they will say "Kita-Chosen" instead of "Kita-Kankouku" only because "Kankoku" is a designation for S. Korea. Saying "North South-Korea" wouldn't make any sense.

If I'm not mistaken, the N. Koreans call themselves "Kita Chosen Jinmin Kyouwa Koku" (Japanese way of reading their Kanji)

Nobody ever says "Josenjin" with a "J" anyway.

Golgo_13 · 14 Jul 2004

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I was watching a Japanese drama "Kochira Hon'ikegami-sho" (This is Hon'ikegami Station), a cop show. Might have been the very last episode.

There was a scene where some townspeople were chasing after a robbery suspect, and one merchant got on his cell phone to call for more help.

He said into the phone "Yaboseo?" but the rest of the conversation was in Japanese.

Why did the producer/director/writer have to do that? Write in a small part for a Japanese of Korean descent. Nothing about the scene or the storyline warranted someone to say "Hello" into a phone in Korean. I assumed it was because Korean-Japanese are ordinary part of Japan these days.

canadian_kor · 14 Jul 2004

Golgo_13 said:
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I was watching a Japanese drama "Kochira Hon'ikegami-sho" (This is Hon'ikegami Station), a cop show. Might have been the very last episode.

There was a scene where some townspeople were chasing after a robbery suspect, and one merchant got on his cell phone to call for more help.

He said into the phone "Yaboseo?" but the rest of the conversation was in Japanese.

Why did the producer/director/writer have to do that? Write in a small part for a Japanese of Korean descent. Nothing about the scene or the storyline warranted someone to say "Hello" into a phone in Korean. I assumed it was because Korean-Japanese are ordinary part of Japan these days.

Golgo, just wondering, do you know the crime statistics for ethnic Koreans in Japan vis-a-vis ethnic Japanese? These types of information come to Canada rarely over the media. Also, do you know if they have abolished the ID tagging of Koreans by thumbprint?

Golgo_13 said:
Wrong! Most Japanese today say "Kankoku-jin" to refer to Korean people. Just go to Japan and see for yourself.

However, when referring to the nation of N. Korea, they will say "Kita-Chosen" instead of "Kita-Kankouku" only because "Kankoku" is a designation for S. Korea. Saying "North South-Korea" wouldn't make any sense.

If I'm not mistaken, the N. Koreans call themselves "Kita Chosen Jinmin Kyouwa Koku" (Japanese way of reading their Kanji)

Nobody ever says "Josenjin" with a "J" anyway.

I think we scared jopok. I don't expect him to come back in here for quite some time. Oh well...

bossel · 14 Jul 2004

canadian_kor said:
Golgo, just wondering, do you know the crime statistics for ethnic Koreans in Japan vis-a-vis ethnic Japanese? These types of information come to Canada rarely over the media.

Take a look at Maciamo's thread.

Maciamo said:
The Japanese crime rate is 0,34%, similar to that of US citizens(0,35%), Brits (0,39%), Brazilians (0,46%). Koreans have the lowest crime rate, which is worth mentioning as they are the single largest group of foreigners in Japan (1/3 of all foreigners).

Golgo_13 · 14 Jul 2004

canadian_kor said:
Golgo, just wondering, do you know the crime statistics for ethnic Koreans in Japan vis-a-vis ethnic Japanese? These types of information come to Canada rarely over the media. Also, do you know if they have abolished the ID tagging of Koreans by thumbprint?

Nope, can't help you there. I don't have the info.

But I hope my previous posts have been helpful.

digicross · 16 Jul 2004

All The World's A Stage. But... do you even know it?

The problem is that there is a group of people that want people around the world to fight each other, 'they' used many different ways to do this, one of those ways are the use of history (that 'they' wrote) and current events.

How do they do that?

Here's an example:

- I ordered person D of family A to do bad things to person G of family B

- I ordered person I of family B to do bad things to person F of family B

- F is a cousin of person D

- I is a cousin of person G

- A generation later person D had a son, which would be refered to as person E

- A generation later person G had a son, which would be refered to as person H

- Family A consist of person D, person E, and person F

- Family B consist of person G, person H, and person I

- Family A and family B came from the same family, which is family X.

- Person E and person H are best friends.

- I told person H that person E's father (a.k.a. person D) used to do bad things to person H's father (a.k.a. person G).

- I told person E that person H's uncle (a.k.a, person I) used to do bad things toward person E's uncle (a.k.a. person F)

- Person E and person F were quite upset on how their families were mistreated and have an animosity toward each other.

- I ordered both the heads of the A and B families to have both of their families to fight each other, and part of that order is that they should continue on fighting until family Y come and an act as a peace mediator betweeen the two.

- I ordered family Y to be a peace mediator to family A and family B.

- Person E and person H are now at peace with each other and becomes friends again, and they're glad on how family Y acted as the helper.

Who was at fault here? Who was the one responsible? Who was making them fight each other? What causes the peace?

Anyway. As long that all of us switched into 'boke' mode, 'they' can't do anything.

Ogumo · 27 Jul 2004

I look at the korean halfs as two completely different people. For the north I hold complete hate. I feel that japan should not give them any form of aid. We should not be trying to save their lives while they conspire to take ours.

For the south koreans I am in different about them. I do not really have anything against them except the fact that they attempt to play down their racism to japanese people and over blow japanese racism to koreans. Even so I feel that both groups should work close for mutual understand to one another. A good relationship may prove to be beneficial to both countries.

Golgo_13 · 27 Jul 2004

Ogumo said:
I look at the korean halfs as two completely different people. For the north I hold complete hate. I feel that japan should not give them any form of aid. We should not be trying to save their lives while they conspire to take ours.

For the south koreans I am in different about them. I do not really have anything against them except the fact that they attempt to play down their racism to japanese people and over blow japanese racism to koreans. Even so I feel that both groups should work close for mutual understand to one another. A good relationship may prove to be beneficial to both countries.

Are you a Modern Japanese?

bossel · 27 Jul 2004

Ogumo said:
I look at the korean halfs as two completely different people. For the north I hold complete hate. I feel that japan should not give them any form of aid. We should not be trying to save their lives while they conspire to take ours.

Actually, some 90% or so of N-Koreans have other things on their mind than to conspire against you. They are busy with staying alive.

Golgo_13 · 27 Jul 2004

Tell us something we don't already know.

It's the other 10% we need to worry about.

bossel · 27 Jul 2004

Yeah, but it's not very nice to forget the 90% who suffer, just because you don't like the 10%.

Ogumo · 27 Jul 2004

bossel said:
Actually, some 90% or so of N-Koreans have other things on their mind than to conspire against you. They are busy with staying alive.

With nuclear weapons they can be free to do what they wish. As said it is the leaders that are the real danger. This is something I agree with but the entire north korean population is dangerous considering that the vast majority will support their leadership. In anycase I feel that japan should not be sending any aid what so ever to a aggresive rogue nations such as NK.

bossel · 28 Jul 2004

Ogumo said:
With nuclear weapons they can be free to do what they wish. As said it is the leaders that are the real danger. This is something I agree with but the entire north korean population is dangerous considering that the vast majority will support their leadership. In anycase I feel that japan should not be sending any aid what so ever to a aggresive rogue nations such as NK.

Not very considerate, are you?

But really, how would you know that the vast majority would support their leadership? Most are simple peasants, struggling for survival. They probably give a damn for politics.

If the aid can be distributed under controlled circumstances, so that it doesn't end up as military supply, then I don't see any problem.

Golgo_13 · 28 Jul 2004

bossel said:
Not very considerate, are you?

But really, how would you know that the vast majority would support their leadership? Most are simple peasants, struggling for survival. They probably give a damn for politics.

You've been to N. Korea? When?

bossel said:
If the aid can be distributed under controlled circumstances, so that it doesn't end up as military supply, then I don't see any problem.

Just how do you think that would be possible under the dictator currently in power?

bossel · 28 Jul 2004

Golgo_13 said:
You've been to N. Korea? When?

Nope, why should I? & why didn't you ask Ogumo the same?

Just how do you think that would be possible under the dictator currently in power?

Simply by letting aid organization control distribution. Guess what, it is possible to strike a deal even with a "rogue nation".

Golgo_13 · 28 Jul 2004

bossel said:
Nope, why should I? & why didn't you ask Ogumo the same?

Why should I? I agree with him

bossel said:
Simply by letting aid organization control distribution. Guess what, it is possible to strike a deal even with a "rogue nation".

Give an example of that ever happening.

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