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No, because I was trying to clarify what you were saying, and I asked "are you really that delusional," because frankly, if you really did think that foreigners should revolt over the mandatory ID, I would think you were delusional.I was refferring to the "how delusional are you?" comment. Is that not an insult?
I think there's a matter of decorum that is important when you deal with these kinds of situations in Japan. Like it or not, you are viewed as a guest, and being visibly foreign will make you a target for discrimination both benign and tiresome. When you're stopped by the police, most of the time they are just doing their job and enforcing the law as they see it. This doesn't mean they're necessarily power hungry or looking to ruin your day. But the more of a fight you put up and refuse to cooperate, the more suspicious they're likely to become, and the less likely they are to let you get on your way. If you have a lot of free time and feel that your rights are being violated, go right ahead and exercise those rights, but realize that it's much more important how you say things than what you're saying in Japan. This is pretty apparent as the police will approach you as politely as possible, even if they're asking for your ID for no apparent reason. If you bristle up and get defensive, they're just going to pry deeper, and like it or not, they still probably know the law much better than you, and they are more than capable of looking for things that they can stick to you, or even worse, simply waste your time. 9 times out of 10, compliance is completely harmless, and you can just chalk it up to the experience of living as a foreigner in Japan. This isn't likely to change for a few foreigners that raise a stink when they're stopped by the cops.Insofar as the police, because you have adopeted a civil tone I will do likewise in refferring to them as you seem not to like it otherwise. I dont neccessarily dislike them but when one is pulled up like he is a criminal 2 times and a third time after helping them, and having my details recorded, merely for having white skin, it tends to leave a negative impression. That is on an impression which wasnt very high to start with. I wasnt belligerent the first time and wouldnt go so far as to say that the second time though I wasnt cooperative either. Of course the third time, recently, I was extremely belligerent (only after they turned on me after I helped them). I guess those ones were smarter than average becasue it wouldnt have reflected well on them if i was arrested and the details of the situation became known to a judge or someone like that.
Insofar as my interpretation of the law, if others disagree thats fine. If I am stopped again i will test it and let you know what happens of you like. What no one disputes is that you have the right to first inspect their ID. As I have said several times, doing it slowly and publicly should be enough to humiliate them and discourage such behavior in the future. I just hope any foreigners who read this arent docile lackeys enough to just hand their I.D. over.
Finally, it just seems like several people who have replied to me have been beated down and abused so much they actually like it. Take the message by "Pachipro" as a classic example. I just got the impression giving yourself a username that is generally used as a derogatory term to be an example of this. It is basically the same as a 3 letter word (which I never use because I dont like to insult people on the basis of their race, ethnic group or nationality.) for Japanese people. The origin of the name isnt derogatory but it has come to be derogatory. Being a 外国人 here, I would hope that you would discourage people from using it because I dont want them to think they can use it with me.
No, because I was trying to clarify what you were saying, and I asked "are you really that delusional," because frankly, if you really did think that foreigners should revolt over the mandatory ID, I would think you were delusional.
I think there's a matter of decorum that is important when you deal with these kinds of situations in Japan. Like it or not, you are viewed as a guest, and being visibly foreign will make you a target for discrimination both benign and tiresome. When you're stopped by the police, most of the time they are just doing their job and enforcing the law as they see it.
they still probably know the law much better than you.
9 times out of 10, compliance is completely harmless, and you can just chalk it up to the experience of living as a foreigner in Japan .
As to the other guys, I understand tempers are high, and Reyter has been rather stubborn and belligerent himself, but that's no reason to stoop so low as to respond in kind. Let's try to be civil, or simply stop responding to him, it only fans the flames.
You really believe they are only enforcing the law as they see it? To randomly stop people with different color skin from the native people, demand to see and record the rather specific details on their I.D. and to question them is merely "doing their job as they see it" and merely doing that because the people are seen as guests????
I beleive to prevent this sort of abuse and harrassment is the reason why the subsections in question were added to the law.
I doubt they know much about the law at all.
I dont like being pulled up by the police like I am a criminal simply because I have white skin.
BTW: I have stopped responding to them but unfortunately I cant stop them replying to this message or earlier messages.
You sound like a 3 year old.I take it that means you have had a look through the thread to see who started spitting insults at me first.
You go girl!!!BTW: I have stopped responding to them but unfortunately I cant stop them replying to this message or earlier messages.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Believe it or not, Reyter, but the link I supplied to you was a legitimate place for the advancement of human rights in Japan, dealing with all sorts of issues, including foreigner issues. I do not know how to interpret your lack of a response. Given your past relations with other members, I am tempted to fear the worst, however.
Will everyone please stop feeding the trolls, especially those who claim to leave for a week, yet don't?!
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Thanks Glenski, that was some interesting reading on trolls. I tried to tell myself that it wasn't so, but in the end you are right.Will everyone please stop feeding the trolls, especially those who claim to leave for a week, yet don't?!
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Im not even going to bother replying to these #%$&% but if anyone is interested, find the thread about police harrassment, have a look through, carefully and see who started insulting who first. Same for this thread. I stopped replying to them very early on but........... I just wonder what they did with themselves before I appeared here..........
Apparently someone was murdered close to the house of "a female acquaintance" of mine. The pigs went knocking on the doors of all the people around there asking if they had seen any "suspicious looking people" around the area.
I hope there are no unfortunate foreigners living around there. If they can't catch the killer, the foreigner is the one the pigs will probably pin it on. It all makes sense now. In Japan the crime rate is rising but arrests falling. This is probably because the pigs prefer to harass unsuspecting foreigners than try to catch native criminals.
They demand to see ID and record to specific details and then keep a list of foreigners they can fall back on in case they can't or don't want to arrest the criminals committing the crimes.
I am actually keeping tabs on all the most idiotic foreigners living in this country for them.
ツ That way its really easy to plant evidence, so they can put as many of them behind bars as possible to create more of a tax burden for the Japanese people. They like to not make sense like that... just like most of your posts... hmmm..
Oh boy, is this going to start up again?
Please try not to let your prejudices about the police poison your interaction with them, Reyter. Being a dick makes people think you have something to hide. If you want to report something (like this murder), please do so without any disparaging comments about the police who are doing their job by investigating this horrific crime. It'd also be nice if you'd refrain from assuming that they're just going to target foreigners. Not everyone is out to get you, don't be so paranoid.
Oh boy, is this going to start up again?
Please try not to let your prejudices about the police poison your interaction with them, Reyter. Being a dick makes people think you have something to hide. If you want to report something (like this murder), please do so without any disparaging comments about the police who are doing their job by investigating this horrific crime. It'd also be nice if you'd refrain from assuming that they're just going to target foreigners. Not everyone is out to get you, don't be so paranoid.
And because of your perceived discrimination at the hands of the Japanese police, you are now willing to be prejudiced against them all...I don't really have a problem with police. I wouldn't say I generally "like them" but I have never had any major problems with them until some of them started getting in my face just because I have white skin. That is to say; I only have a problem with Japanese police.
And because of your perceived discrimination at the hands of the Japanese police, you are now willing to be prejudiced against them all...
I've never had a problem with any police harassment in Japan. My encounters with police there were all pleasant and respectful. I kept my own attitude cooperative and respectful, in the same way I imagine a law-abiding Japanese citizen would do. I'm a visitor in their country, and the cops are just doing their job.
Cops tend to become very good at reading body language and facial expressions. If you act sullen or resentful around them, their instincts may tell them to find out why, by, for example, "harassing" you.
I know for a fact they very rarely ask random Japanese people to show their I.D. and if they do, the usual response is to ignore them or tell them to f##k off.
No, you don't. If anything, you should be thanking the Japanese police for the Oppressed Minority Fantasy trip you seem to enjoy so much.