Postwar JapanThanks a lot, Caster san! 窶｢sﾅ?o窶堙俄?堙?窶ｹﾆ停?堋ｯ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ
Just I know... Japan is a state of mind, it is deep in my heart.
Anyway this is my country.
Joseph R. O'Donnell September 1945ﾂ債ｲﾂ青｢窶｢ﾃ帚?堋ｩ窶堙ｧ窶卍ｷﾂ催ｨ窶堙俄?愿ｼ窶堙≫?堋ｽﾅｽ窶樞?堙債、ﾂ渉ｬﾂ坂?壺?堋｢窶ｹu窶堙個湘｣窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ窶ｰﾂｺ窶堙ｰ窶卍ｭ窶堙
窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙??昶?吮?堋｢ﾆ筑ﾆ湛ﾆ誰窶堙ｰ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｽ窶冕窶傳窶堋ｪ窶禿壺?堙俄?愿ｼ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ
窶堋ｽﾂ。窶冕窶傳窶堙?0ﾆ短ﾆ停?愴蛋窶凖ｶ窶堙個深窶堋ｳ窶堙俄?堋ｦ窶堋ｮ窶堙≫?堋ｽﾅ椎?窶堙娯?堋ｻ窶堙寂?堙?催ｬ窶ｹﾃ??堙ｰ窶堋ｵ
窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶ｰﾃ稜ｽﾃ披?堙嫁ｽRﾂ静鞘?堙昶?堙俄?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾅｽ竄ｬ窶佚娯?堙ｰﾂ静芝?D窶堙娯?抒窶堋ｦ窶堙ｩﾅ椎?窶堙
窶吮??窶堙嫁ｽﾅｸﾂ々窶堙??愿ｼ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙??堋ｷﾂ。
10ﾂ催寂?堋ｮ窶堙ｧ窶堋｢窶堙個渉ｭ窶扼窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃ?窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堋ｪ窶禿壺?堙俄?板ｯ窶堙懌?堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｨ
窶堙ｱ窶堙披?堙絶?堙?窶堙ｰ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｷ窶堋ｫ窶堙俄?堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堙?、窶把ﾅｽq窶堙ｰ窶掫窶吮??窶堙俄?掫窶｢窶ｰ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
窶凖ｭ窶堙｢窶凪?ｦ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｨ窶堙ｱ窶堙披?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堙懌?堙慊、ﾂ広窶堙≫?堙鞘?堙??之窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾅｽq窶ｹﾅｸ窶堙固ｽp窶堙
窶懌?毒ｽﾅｾ窶堙娯?愿ｺ窶怒窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｭ窶禿壺?堙俄?堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾅ津ｵﾅ段窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｵﾂ、窶堋ｱ窶堙個渉ｭ窶扼窶堙
窶罵ﾅｽq窶堙坂?堙坂?堙≫?堋ｫ窶堙ｨ窶堙??｡窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ重窶佚･窶堙遺?禿壺?廬窶堙ｰﾅｽﾂ昶?堙≫?堙??堋ｱ窶堙個湘
窶堋ｫﾂ湘ｪ窶堙俄?堙｢窶堙≫?堙??堋ｫ窶堋ｽ窶堙??堋｢窶堋､窶ｹﾂｭ窶堋｢ﾋ?毒ｽu窶堋ｪﾅ?'窶堋ｶ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堙?
窶披?｡窶伉ｫ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ渉ｭ窶扼窶堙債湘??堋ｫﾂ湘ｪ窶堙娯?堙凪?堋ｿ窶堙懌?堙??藩??堙ｩ窶堙?、ﾂ硬窶堋｢窶｢\ﾂ湘ｮ窶堙??禿
窶堙ｰ窶ｹﾃ??堙ｧ窶堋ｵ窶堙??板ｧ窶堋ｿﾂ尽窶堋ｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶掫窶吮??窶堙個静披?堙ｱ窶天窶堙坂?堋ｮ窶堙≫?堋ｷ窶堙ｨ窶督ｰ
窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堋ｩﾂ、ﾅｽﾃｱ窶堙ｰﾅ津｣窶堙ｫ窶堙俄?堙娯?堋ｯ窶堋ｼ窶堙ｧ窶堋ｹ窶堋ｽ窶堙懌?堙懌?堙??堋ｷﾂ。
ﾂ渉ｭ窶扼窶堙債湘??堋ｫﾂ湘ｪ窶堙娯?堙凪?堋ｿ窶堙可、5窶｢ﾂｪ窶堋ｩ10窶｢ﾂｪ窶堙?窶板ｧ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙･窶堋､窶堋ｩﾂ。
窶昶?吮?堋｢ﾆ筑ﾆ湛ﾆ誰窶堙娯?冕窶傳窶堋ｪ窶堋ｨ窶堙?窶堙樞?堙ｫ窶堙俄?ｹﾃ溪?堙??堋ｫﾂ、窶堙､窶堙≫?堋ｭ窶堙ｨ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堙ｱ窶堙披?堙絶?堙?
窶堙ｰ窶ｰﾃｰ窶堋ｫﾅｽn窶堙溪?堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｱ窶堙固ｽﾅｾﾅｽ窶樞?堙債、窶掫窶吮??窶堙娯?把ﾅｽq窶堋ｪﾅ?ﾃｹ窶堙嫁ｽ竄ｬ窶堙ｱ窶堙
窶堋｢窶堙ｩﾅｽ窶凪?堙可鞘?ｰ窶堙溪?堙??ｹC窶｢t窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙??堋ｷﾂ。窶冕窶傳窶堙坂?把ﾅｽq窶堙固ｽﾃｨ窶堙??伉ｫ窶堙ｰﾅｽﾂ
窶堙や?堙??堙､窶堙≫?堋ｭ窶堙ｨ窶堙??倪?吮?堙ｩ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙可、ﾂ湘??堋ｫﾂ湘ｪ窶堙娯?扨窶堋｢ﾅ?D窶堙個湘｣窶堙俄?ｰﾂ｡窶堋ｽ窶堋ｦ窶堙
窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
窶堙懌?堋ｸ窶把窶堋｢窶愿ｷ窶佚娯?堋ｪ窶ｰﾃ寂?堙俄?馬窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩﾆ淡ﾆ停?ｦﾂー窶堙??堋｢窶堋､窶ｰﾂｹ窶堋ｪ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
窶堋ｻ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ窶堙懌?堙寂?堙､窶堋｢窶凖ｶ窶堙娯?ｰﾅ?窶堋ｪ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??｢窶倪?堋｢窶板ｧ窶堋ｿ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。ﾂ真窶堙?静披?堙
窶納窶愿ｺ窶堙娯?堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙遺?ｰﾅ?窶堙債、窶卍ｼ窶板ｧ窶｢s窶慊ｮ窶堙個渉ｭ窶扼窶堙娯?堙懌?堋ｾ窶堋?窶堙??堋ｯ窶堙遺?堋｢窶屠窶堙ｰ
ﾂ静披?堋ｭﾂ湘??堙ｧ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶堋ｻ窶堙固ｽﾅｾ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ、窶ｰﾅ?窶堙ｰﾂ食窶堋｢窶愿ｼ窶堙ｩ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙嫁陳ｩ窶堙や?堙溪?堙ｩ
ﾂ渉ｭ窶扼窶堙個唇窶堙嫁椎停?堋ｪ窶堙俄?堋ｶ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙俄?ｹC窶堋ｪ窶｢t窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙債。ﾂ渉ｭ窶扼窶堋ｪ
窶堋?窶堙懌?堙ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙や?堋ｭﾅ?ﾅ｡窶堙昶?凖ｷ窶堙溪?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾋ?猟、ﾂ唇窶堙固椎停?堙坂?板ｬ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｩﾅｽ窶凪?堙?窶堙遺?堋ｭﾂ、
窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾﾂ渉ｭ窶扼窶堙娯?ｰﾂｺﾂ唇窶堙可静披?堋ｭ窶堙俄?堋ｶ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶納窶愿ｺ窶堙娯?堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙遺?ｰﾅ?窶堋ｪ
ﾂ静??堙懌?堙ｩ窶堙?、ﾂ渉ｭ窶扼窶堙坂?堋ｭ窶堙ｩ窶堙ｨ窶堙??堋ｫ窶堙鯛?堋ｷ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ披?堋ｵﾂ、窶卍ｾ窶禿吮?堙娯?堙懌?堙慊湘??堋ｫﾂ湘ｪ窶堙ｰ
窶ｹﾅｽ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ」
After the war, GHQ announced emperor's assets was 1.6 billion yen.
however no Japanese was surprised at that and nobody felt anything..
Monarchs in any country other than Japan also have the enormous money and property which it deprived from the people.
When the revolution, the war, and the political change occur, such a monarch aims at defecting at once for the guarantee of own life and the maintenance of the property.
Therefore, GHQ might have started to open the property of the emperor family to public, and wanted to make the public backlash.
There is not interests opposition between Tenno and the people at all.
USA mede a mistake in Iraq.
There is no existence like the emperor in Iraq.
Japan would likely have become like Iraq if there was no emperor in
Japan.
Kim Jong-il , if something will happen.....then
Naturally, Tenno is a human.
anyway, Tenno as a god , divine or whatever, had finished once by his death ..
BTW
When I was a junior high school student,........I recall old photograph which students attended tokyo olympic torch relay and of the imperial tour in the principal's office.
THREATS AND RESPONSES: THE WHITE HOUSE; U.S. IS COMPLETING PLAN TO PROMOTE A DEMOCRATIC IRAQ (Published 2003)January 6, 2003
THREATS AND RESPONSES: THE WHITE HOUSE; U.S. IS COMPLETING PLAN TO PROMOTE A DEMOCRATIC IRAQ
The proposals, according to administration officials who have been developing them for several months, have been discussed informally with Mr. Bush in considerable detail. They would amount to the most ambitious American effort to administer a country since the occupations of Japan and Germany at the end of World War II. With Mr. Bush's return here this afternoon, his principal foreign policy advisers are expected to shape the final details in White House meetings and then formally present them to the president.
窶堋ｨﾅ?ﾃｨ窶堋｢窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ・ﾂ・ﾂ・ﾅ?F窶罵 (onegaishimasu ﾂ・ﾂ・ﾂ・ minasama ~ please. . . everyone)
As in accordance with the theme of the OP, I suggest that we keep the thread on topic, as being concerned with the emperor of Japan's--past or present or future--being divine, of divine nature, or of supernatural descent in any way.
Please do not wander from that. Embedding to support an argument or position is of course ok, but simply bringing up other matters is not. If Japanese is used, please do provide an English rendering, or ask someone who may be able and willing to help do so, to help out in that case.
窶堙｢窶堙≫?堙渉、窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰﾅｽg窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｧ窶ｰpﾅ津ｪ窶堙娯?倒窶禿ｳ窶堙ｰ窶堙?ﾂ鞘?倪?堋｢窶堋ｽ窶｢ﾃｻ窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。ﾂ (As we can understand, if we use Japanese, it would be nice to write an English translation as well)
Thanks folks !! MM
and so true, which ultimately saw Japan suffer more than it should have, at least in the eyes of the "Aliens".
You will notice today that Japanese have a very strong and determined will of mind, they HAVE to get their point accross, and if they believe they are "correct", they will not give up and that's that! Stuff everybody else mentality.
It's gates opened not so long ago, although their still apppears to be some stoppage of sorts..
Things are changing, albeit slowly, as the country modernizers and struggles to internationalize with regular debate..
It does resemble a see-saw, up and down, back and fourth with Alien cards, etc.
Let's hope for the sake of it's children that it straightens itself out soon.
But it does not make a fanatical point more right, in fact, it makes lots of enemies. I have hardly ever seen so many dictators on one place like here. . .unthinkable on other forums, that I attend.
Yes, I do hope, that the internationalisations change the picture again, from within, preferably. I am all for this!
We have to put into account, that any public "leader" can be seen as a god by those, who wish to. Thats not just valid for Japan.
If you go further in that posted article link, you will have the comparisions with Germany. . .and if you can see the Yasukuni film, that will be shown in Japan from up April, you will find out more in common. In fact, a wild mix of old german military behaviour of all kinds, plus beard style and uniform. It reminds us clearly not only on Emperor (Kaiser) Wilhelm, but also on, well, yes, sorry, but true, on Goebbels and Hitler, all in one pot indeed.
Including the choice of theme and goal. Certain things, like "freeing Asia" and "only defending" plus is exactly like our former behavior. And if someone would insist in this interpretation of the past war here, plus coming with recent research about the holocaust as being a lie, he would have to face severe punishment for this misleading.
And one has to put into account, that Hitler very well was like a if not the god for many at that time. Otherwise it all would not have happened.
The shock came later, as often in such stories.
Dictatorship is dictatorship in all variations. And so far, every dictator tried to be seen as an unfailable god to justify all actions incl. murder as godsent. . .no matter which religion.
And thats exactly the problem. A typical misuse and better to be seen with much care and suspicion.
Please say clearly.
As for your claim, Japanese Emperor has war responsibility, and is it still to be strange that a position of Japanese Emperor is kept?
Again, a typical islander mentality on one side. . .but sad enough also downright egocentric. when I realised first, that some japanese former friends in Germany started to take without even thanking, and when I got this confirmed by several others too, I was wondering, whats going on suddenly, but closed my doors for some. (not all, of course, real friends are real friends).It does make enemies and that's the problem.
Japan appears to be struggling to be part of the international democratic community.
Their are many laws and agreements out their with our countries, and Japan is well known for not complying or being a part, although it likes to be known as a friend.
It is also well known for not thinking about what other countries think, but rather hell bent avoiding and ultimately ignoring..
Sure, it can happen again, any time.The soldiers were ordered to fight until death for the emperor, were they not?
The Emperor is still in power of sorts, and his position is still engaged?
That's just nonsense. I think less of 500 people would fight for the emperor right now. So what do you mean with it can happen again, any time.Sure, it can happen again, any time.
That's just bs. I think less of 500 people would fight for the emperor right now. So what do you mean with it can happen again, any time.
The soldiers were ordered to fight until death for the emperor, were they not?
The Emperor is still in power of sorts, and his position is still engaged?
What does the current Emperor think of himself? The only thing I ever hear while in Japan is about the "poor Princess" who didn't have a male child. No one even mentions the Emperor.
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To me it is something similar to see those into Neo Nazism in Germany and say "it can happen again, any time".
That's just bs. I think less of 500 people would fight for the emperor right now. So what do you mean with it can happen again, any time.
I believe Chi was very clear..
It's often said it "can happen again"
Anything is possible and it seems to be a constant battle of fighters..
It is bs.
Often said by who? The right-wingers themselves? Wishful thinking of course.
Have you ever heard of any hate crimes here during the lost 20 years?
How comes, that the pro whalers, who are thought to be the majority (not just 500, right?) is using the same right winger terms then?. . .like our neo Nazis, exactly so, including the denial of the holocaust even, only "japanese way".
Its thus no BS at all and wellknown.
I believe this thread is to discuss about if many of the Japanese regard Emperor = god, not about whaling, Right?
You're dragging the whale issue into where you are expected to discuss about the Japanese Emperor (and right-wingers) and you started talking about this issue where people are talking about whaling.
Can you please stay on the topic and not to mix up the issues you have?
When we have discussion on something, the most important thing is to talk based on the facts and truth, not wild assumption or generalization.