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Kraise said:
My first reaction when I see "させん" is to imagine its in a negative shape, as in "させぬ" or "かもしれん"
Is it the case here?
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させない does fit, doesn't it?
 
If its させない、then the character "didnt silence the heavenly voice", if its させる its the opposite "the voice is silenced". Both seem to fit for me, but maybe I'm missing some context. Do you have a tip for this kind of situation Mike-san? A way to know if "させん" derives from "させる" or from "させない/させぬ".
 

Look at your own example of かもしれん. Don't you know that is かも知れない ?

Have you ever seen a dictionary form verb anywhere have its final bit replaced by ん ?
 
Ah... I got it now

I was afraid of it having a possible secondary "させる" meaning, based off in nothing... (yes its sad, but happens often to me during my studies, refusal to accept that I could be right towards something)
 
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Kraise said:
My first reaction when I see "させん" is to imagine its in a negative shape, as in "させぬ" or "かもしれん"
Is it the case here?
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ん is the n-euphonic change of む; a classical auxiliary verb for presumption in this case.

むの意味 - goo国語辞書
(* FYI, this 「う」 is the etymology of だろう.)

沈黙させん is equivalent to 沈黙させるだろう, as I wrote previously.
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The negative ん, which is the n-euphonic change of ぬ, is also attached to the -nai stem(未然形) of verbs, so it's really confusing to interpret which ん, ぬ or む, is used there. In written words like this example, not in spoken words such like お前の好きにはさせん！（お前の好きなようにはさせない！）, ぬ tends not to be changed to ん to avoid being misunderstood, as below.

彼ら、その力を持ち、黒雲払い、裁きを告げる天の声を沈黙させぬ。
(This would cause more confusion, but this ぬ can be a classical auxiliary verb for perfect tense, i.e., it can mean 沈黙させた...)
 
Wow, this was enlightening. This is all 古典語 right? I'm glad these wont appear on the JLPT, though, not knowing the basics of japanese classic language also seems to limit what you can do with the language to a certain extent. In this case, its a game, but it could be a manga, a citation in a drama and so on...

Thank you Mike-san and Tori-san
 
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彼ら、その力を持ち、黒雲払い、裁きを告げる天の声を沈黙させん。
Using that power they will clear away the dark clouds and silence the voice of heaven that is signaling their judgment.

How is that?
 
その後、我らを率いて、新たなる理想郷を築くだろう。
After that we were lead to build a new utopia.

今は眠りにつく、その者。
This seems simple except for つく, could you tell me what it means please? There are so many definitions for this word in the dict.
 
The subject of 率いて and 築くだろう is 彼ら. 率いて is not passive.
築くだろう is future presumptive.

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/je2/50058/m0u/つく/
 
その後、我らを率いて、新たなる理想郷を築くだろう。
After that he took charge of us and will build a new home town.

I'm not confident about that at all.

今は眠りにつく、その者。
I take back what I said about this looking simple, I'm having real difficulty with this one.

That person will now go to sleep?
 
The subject is 彼ら, not 彼.
The -te form doesn't have any tense. The tense is usually provided by the verb at the end of the sentence, i.e., 率いて is not past.
Why did you change the translation of 理想郷?

眠りにつく means the present progressive 眠りについている here. This is a classical usage, too.
 
Oops, I didn't mean to change the meaning of 理想郷.

その後、我らを率いて、新たなる理想郷を築くだろう。
After that they will lead us and [we?] will build a new utopia.

今は眠りにつく、その者。
That person is now going to sleep.

Am I any closer yet?
 
The subject of 築くだろう is 彼ら, as I wrote previously, but 率いて shows that 彼ら will lead 我ら to build a new utopia, i.e., 彼ら and 我ら will do that together.

今は眠りにつく、その者。 is a noun phrase, not a sentence.
眠りについている means 眠っている, not "to be going to sleep".
 
Phew! I don't want to jump the gun but those sentences actually make sense now.

その後、我らを率いて、新たなる理想郷を築くだろう。
After that they lead us [and together] we will build a new utopia.

I'm gonna leave the other sentence for now, I have absolutely no idea how to translate it, so I'll do it and the sentence after it together. I tried looking up noun phrases and while I understood what I read it didn't help me with this particular sentence.
 
they will lead us

FYI, in the next sentence 時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される。その者の名。, the first period "。" is a typo of comma "、", i.e., it should be 時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される、その者の名。. 時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される modifies その者の名 here.
 
今は眠りにつく、その者。時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される、その者の名。

First let's clarify this part: 時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される = will seal in the memory of man, and beyond time?

I think "man" could be wrong, because man = mankind, and 人 is not mankind. Is 人 referring to a particular person?
 
封印される means 封印されている here, as same as 眠りにつく vs 眠りについている.
This 人 is plural; people in general / mankind.
 
今は眠りにつく、その者。時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される、その者の名。

He sleeps now. His name is sealed beyond time and in the memory of man.

Is that right?
 
その者 refers to 彼ら.
You understand the meaning correctly. (Those are noun phrases, not sentences, i.e., the literal translation is "Them who are asleep now. Their names that is sealed beyond time and in the memory of man.", but this would sound quite unnatural.)
 
Do they sound unnatural in Japanese? Is what I wrote a good way to say it in English even though it's not accurate?

少女は、メーシア。そして、少年は・・・。
The girl is Meeshia. And the boy is...

こうして１００年の年月が過ぎ・・・「伝説」が現実のものになろうとしていた！
One hundred years have passed since this [occured]. The legend is becoming reality.

Just out of curiosity, since こうして１００年の年月が過ぎ and こうして１００年が過ぎ to me look the same, would there be a difference in the English translation if の年月 was removed from the sentence?
 
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Do they sound unnatural in Japanese?
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No, not at all, because it's obvious that those are explanations about the next sentences "少女は、メーシア。そして、少年は・・・。".

Astralogic said:
Is what I wrote a good way to say it in English even though it's not accurate?
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Yes. There would be no other way to translate them.

こうして means "like this". "This" refers to what is mentioned so far. "Since this" is これから.

They are completely the same.
 
こうして１００年の年月が過ぎ・・・「伝説」が現実のものになろうとしていた！
[Things have been] like this for one hundred years. The legend was about to become reality.

I also changed the last part because I noticed it's actually past tense. I was reading a book that said the verb ending おう＋とする means "is about to".
So it seems to me that なろうとする means "is about to become", なろうとした would be "was about to become", therefore なろうとしていた means something awkward like "was about to be becoming" which I guess would be translated that same as the last one ( was about to become).

Am I right in thinking then that 現実のものになろうとしていた means (very literally) "was about to be becoming a reality" which in English would be "was about to become reality" ?

I don't know, that could all be wrong :/
 
I would translate it as "was just about to become reality".
 
Well that's the end of the intro

But I was mulling over this sentence: 今は眠りにつく、その者。時の彼方と人の記憶に封印される、その者の名。

and I think I found a way to make it sound natural but I don't know if it's accurate: "The ones that sleep. The names that are sealed beyond time in the memory of man."
 
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