Estimate about oil price in the near future?

Mansoor · 24 Apr 2016

WonkoTheSane said:
Iran doesn't recognize Israel as a country, so how can they think the country of Israel has atomic weapons?

After all, it's not a country, right? So it can't be held to rules about nations, right?

At present Israelis are a group of foreign political Jews that dominate on Palestine illegally , nonetheless they have produced the numbers of nuclear bomb that is considered as the "Weapon of mass destruction" and the global opinion is that, such weapons are used versus civilians and not armies.and these type of mass destruction bombs should be banned by International Organizations.the result is this:

Palestine has been occupied by Zionists. They have created a government namely Israel and titled Palestine, Israel too. Zionist that the basis of their government is wrong, and are considered as a militant and assassin organization have made the numbers of Atomic bombs.

Well, what will be your concept about them?
What will be the duty of International organizations about them?

Whether we must ignore them and opine, they don't exist because they are an occupant group and are not included International laws?!

Mansoor · 24 Apr 2016

Majestic said:
I am talking about the sanctions that the international community imposed on Iran after the IAEA found Iran to be in breach of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. It isn't a "US versus Iran" issue. It is the international community trying to find a non-violent way to get Iran to keep the promises that Iran signed up to.

No, I am not agree with this concept that Iran breached NPT. Iran is opposite to every lawlessness and the government of Iran never do an international wrong.

Majestic · 24 Apr 2016

You may not agree with it, but apparently the IAEA's investigations carried more weight with the security council than your opinion does. Anyway, we are truly off topic, so maybe time to close this thread, or bring it back to the top of the price of oil.

Just a friendly hint, Mansoor: not every post has to end in an anti-Israel, or anti-US tirade.

WonkoTheSane · 24 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
At present Israelis are a group of foreign political Jews that dominate on Palestine illegally , nonetheless they have produced the numbers of nuclear bomb that is considered as the "Weapon of mass destruction" and the global opinion is that, such weapons are used versus civilians and not armies.and these type of mass destruction bombs should be banned by International Organizations.the result is this:

Palestine has been occupied by Zionists. They have created a government namely Israel and titled Palestine, Israel too. Zionist that the basis of their government is wrong, and are considered as a militant and assassin organization have made the numbers of Atomic bombs.

Well, what will be your concept about them?
What will be the duty of International organizations about them?

Whether we must ignore them and opine, they don't exist because they are an occupant group and are not included International laws?!

You can't have it both ways. Either you agree they are a nation or you agree they can't be held to rules for nations.

Take your pick.

cocoichi · 24 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
At present Israelis are a group of foreign political Jews

I bet you are also a big fan of Khalid Islambouli?

Mansoor · 24 Apr 2016

WonkoTheSane said:
You can't have it both ways. Either you agree they are a nation or you agree they can't be held to rules for nations.

Take your pick.

Although the Jews that arrived Palestine as the migrants from other countries and cooperated Israeli regime are guilty, but if the government of Israel is overthrown, Palestinian people will allow them to stay in Palestine and live there so. But in this situation it is the nation of Palestine that will choose the type of government by a public election.

Mansoor · 24 Apr 2016

Majestic said:
Just a friendly hint, Mansoor: not every post has to end in an anti-Israel, or anti-US tirade.

Although my post were not anti-US but it is better we go back to the title of topic.

I heard oil price raised about 1 dollar in recent days.

cocoichi · 24 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
Although the Jews that arrived Palestine as the migrants from other countries and cooperated Israeli regime are guilty, but if the government of Israel is overthrown, Palestinian people will allow them to stay in Palestine and live there so. But in this situation it is the nation of Palestine that will choose the type of government by a public election.

Your choice of words says enough for me to leave this thread.

Mansoor · 24 Apr 2016

cocoichi said:
Your choice of words says enough for me to leave this thread.

I didn't mean Jews in the world but I did mean the Jews that joined Israel and became Zionist. If you are Jewish it is better you know a minority of Iranian are Jewish that live beside others peacefully for thousands years. They are our compatriot

Also our discussion was not religious but it was about the intention and actions of Zionists that are a bad political party.

cocoichi · 25 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
I didn't mean Jews in the world but I did mean the Jews that joined Israel and became Zionist. If you are Jewish it is better you know a minority of Iranian are Jewish that live beside others peacefully for thousands years. They are our compatriot

Also our discussion was not religious but it was about the intention and actions of Zionists that are a bad political party.

I'm not Jewish, I just don't like that you cannot even call them people. My stance on Israel as a country is irrelevant, because I like to look at people as individuals, not governments or groups.

WonkoTheSane · 25 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
Although the Jews that arrived Palestine as the migrants from other countries and cooperated Israeli regime are guilty, but if the government of Israel is overthrown, Palestinian people will allow them to stay in Palestine and live there so. But in this situation it is the nation of Palestine that will choose the type of government by a public election.

So you can't answer the question.

Anyway, I'm done with you. You're an anti-Semite and disingenuous. Welcome to my block list.

Mansoor · 25 Apr 2016

cocoichi said:
I'm not Jewish, I just don't like that you cannot even call them people. My stance on Israel as a country is irrelevant, because I like to look at people as individuals, not governments or groups.

So what is your opinion about people of Palestine :

Their land was occupies,
their home was ruined,
their homeless people were deprived and were held in the lamentable camps or wandered in the other countries ( in the previous decades)
and their youth were the target of Israelis' guns and bullets or were jailed in the dreadful Israeli prisons.

I remember, I saw in a newsreel; in a meeting, Israeli soldiers attacked a group of unarmed Palestinians. They escaped everywhere inevitably. A Palestinian father and his 12 years old son sheltered behind something in a street. A Israeli soldiers reached there and shot toward them heartlessly and nonstop. I saw how their bodies were riddled by barrage of bullets.

This is just a scene of butchery of Israelis. So how we can call these predators " people"! How we can think to them as a people and don't think about the oppressed and victimized Palestinians.

Who are people? Whether those who shoot toward a rightful people lawlessly or those innocent Palestinian youths that fall on the soil of their own land with a riddled and bloody body?

Mansoor · 25 Apr 2016

WonkoTheSane said:
So you can't answer the question.

Anyway, I'm done with you. You're an anti-Semite and disingenuous. Welcome to my block list.

If anti- Semite dose mean anti-Jewish, I will deny strictly to be an anti-Jewish.
But if anti-Semite does mean anti-Israeli regime, I think every human that lives on the earth is obligated to be opposite to Israel based on his humanity and the inhumanly actions of Israelis.

cocoichi · 25 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
So what is your opinion about people of Palestine :

Their land was occupies,
their home was ruined,
their homeless people were deprived and were held in the lamentable camps or wandered in the other countries ( in the previous decades)
and their youth were the target of Israelis' guns and bullets or were jailed in the dreadful Israeli prisons.

I remember, I saw in a newsreel; in a meeting, Israeli soldiers attacked a group of unarmed Palestinians. They escaped everywhere inevitably. A Palestinian father and his 12 years old son sheltered behind something in a street. A Israeli soldiers reached there and shot toward them heartlessly and nonstop. I saw how their bodies were riddled by barrage of bullets.

This is just a scene of butchery of Israelis. So how we can call these predators " people"! How we can think to them as a people and don't think about the oppressed and victimized Palestinians.

Who are people? Whether those who shoot toward a rightful people lawlessly or those innocent Palestinian youths that fall on the soil of their own land with a riddled and bloody body?

Frankly, I don't care to comment on this. I come here to talk about Japan related topics, not to discuss politics of the Middle East. I responded to your question about oil prices (I don't even know why I did that), but it soon turned to weapons of mass destruction and Israel.

Mansoor, there's so much in the world to enjoy. Spend more time on that instead of all this negativity man.

Mansoor · 25 Apr 2016

cocoichi said:
Frankly, I don't care to comment on this. I come here to talk about Japan related topics, not to discuss politics of the Middle East. I responded to your question about oil prices (I don't even know why I did that), but it soon turned to weapons of mass destruction and Israel.

Mansoor, there's so much in the world to enjoy. Spend more time on that instead of all this negativity man.

Thank you cocoichi that you participated in this thread. and I am sorry that I had to open a door to a global problem that is existence of Nuclear weapons in some countries or the problem of Palestinian people. I didn't want to bring up these subjects in this thread but some posts was the cause of this interference.

Sometimes I choose some forums mistakenly among JF. This happened a few times during these four years that I joined some forums to learn English via conversations.
One day, I joined an individual forum that their members either men or women talked a little open and I didn't know at beginning. As I am almost a pious and recluse person one of the posters that was a woman felt a pity about me. she advised me:

Mans! (it is still my username in some forums) Why you are here? You have come wrong. This forum is not proper for you. We are some friends that talk familiarly and I know may you don't choose this manner. I hope you don't get bothering but you can join another forum that doesn't make you annoyed.

Of course that forum was not an immoral site but they were a group of friends that spoke slangy and familiarly ( those who use " Yea" instead of " yes" ).

I thanked for her informing and alert, logged out and left that forum forever.

Of course JF is a formal and literary forum that discuss about Japanese language and other matters and I think most of of my topics or comments are not according to the purposes of JF, nonetheless I think, between language posts, some of my topics or comments make you refreshed and lead you to the subjects that may you don't think about them often.

I don't know. May I have come to JF mistakenly ( because it is a forum relative to Japanese language).
However, I am here now and don't know what to do, whether leave you or stay?

cocoichi · 25 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
Thank you cocoichi that you participated in this thread. and I am sorry that I had to open a door to a global problem that is existence of Nuclear weapons in some countries or the problem of Palestinian people. I didn't want to bring up these subjects in this thread but some posts was the cause of this interference.

Sometimes I choose some forums mistakenly among JF. This happened a few times during these four years that I joined some forums to learn English via conversations.
One day, I joined an individual forum that their members either men or women talked a little open and I didn't know at beginning. As I am almost a pious and recluse person one of the posters that was a woman felt a pity about me. she advised me:

Mans! (it is still my username in some forums) Why you are here? You have come wrong. This forum is not proper for you. We are some friends that talk familiarly and I know may you don't choose this manner. I hope you don't get bothering but you can join another forum that doesn't make you annoyed.

Of course that forum was not an immoral site but they were a group of friends that spoke slangy and familiarly ( those who use " Yea" instead of " yes" ).

I thanked for her informing and alert, logged out and left that forum forever.

Of course JF is a formal and literary forum that discuss about Japanese language and other matters and I think most of of my topics or comments are not according to the purposes of JF, nonetheless I think, between language posts, some of my topics or comments make you refreshed and lead you to the subjects that may you don't think about them often.

I don't know. May I have come to JF mistakenly ( because it is a forum relative to Japanese language).
However, I am here now and don't know what to do, whether leave you or stay?

I have no problem with you staying. Let me be clear: you have not offended me. I am fully aware that different backgrounds lead to different point of views, and influence your opinion on what's good and what's not. I don't blame you for that, I take it as it is.

Is this the right forum for you? I don't know, probably not. You don't seem to have a strong connection to Japan, but then again it is not a requirement. Why don't you pick lighter topics to practise your English though?

Mansoor · 25 Apr 2016

cocoichi said:
I have no problem with you staying. Let me be clear: you have not offended me. I am fully aware that different backgrounds lead to different point of views, and influence your opinion on what's good and what's not. I don't blame you for that, I take it as it is.

Do you think I am blamable for what I expressed? Your sentence declares that I was in mistake but you didn't blame me for those words and ideas?!

Is this the right forum for you? I don't know, probably not. You don't seem to have a strong connection to Japan, but then again it is not a requirement. Why don't you pick lighter topics to practise your English though?

One of my faults is that I join a forum without I study its content carefully before registration. As I told, it happened for me a few time about some forums ( not the all).

JF is among the forums that I chose it unknowingly. As you told about me, you are not interested in Japanese language, I confirm this Issue, because I have heard, Japanese is a very hard language and It has about 700 letters!!
How can I place this train of letters in my mind while I have not learned English completely yet, just with 32 letters ( I still use English dictionary and also I don't know listening and speaking English. I just know writing and If you speak with me in English I will not understand that what you are saying except a bit. But if you write the same words on paper and offer to me, I am able to read them. this shortage is because I have not listened to English or not talked with an native English yet )?!
I had some conversations with you and this is the reason that I didn't leave Japan Forum.

cocoichi · 25 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
Do you think I am blamable for what I expressed? Your sentence declares that I was in mistake but you didn't blame me for those words and ideas?!

One of my faults is that I join a forum without I study its content carefully before registration. As I told, it happened for me a few time about some forums ( not the all).

JF is among the forums that I chose it unknowingly. As you told about me, you are not interested in Japanese language, I confirm this Issue, because I have heard, Japanese is a very hard language and It has about 700 letters!!
How can I place this train of letters in my mind while I have not learned English completely yet, just with 32 letters ( I still use English dictionary and also I don't know listening and speaking English. I just know writing and If you speak with me in English I will not understand that what you are saying except a bit. But if you write the same words on paper and offer to me, I am able to read them. this shortage is because I have not listened to English or not talked with an native English yet )?!
I had some conversations with you and this is the reason that I didn't leave Japan Forum.

This forum is not only about the Japanese language. It is about all things related to Japan: life, travel, culture, business, you name it.

You should not use the word "blame". This is an internet forum. We discuss things and move on. Whether you are very nice or very rude, I will sleep sound tonight.
What I meant was: just based on your words I thought you went yoo far, but when I consider your cultural background, I can relativate it quite a bit. It's not about right and wrong to me, it's about understanding the situation.

If I couldn't relativate, there would be no place for me as a Dutchman in Japan

Mansoor · 26 Apr 2016

Traveling and business topics are good for those who have a lot of money to spend or invest and talking about Japan, its culture, and language is interesting for those who have some information about this land, its people and history. So I am asking myself, what should I talk about??

cocoichi · 26 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
Traveling and business topics are good for those who have a lot of money to spend or invest and talking about Japan, its culture, and language is interesting for those who have some information about this land, its people and history. So I am asking myself, what should I talk about??

If you have to ask yourself that question, this might indeed not be the right forum for you. May I ask how did you end up here? Did you search for something Japan related on google, or something totally different?

RolandtheHeadless · 26 Apr 2016

I don't agree with some of your posts, but I'm glad you're here, Mansoor. It always takes a while to figure out the customs and etiquette of a new forum.

Mansoor · 27 Apr 2016

RolandtheHeadless said:
I don't agree with some of your posts, but I'm glad you're here, Mansoor. It always takes a while to figure out the customs and etiquette of a new forum.

Thank you Ronald Our discussions is okay but the problem is that, this forum is relative to Japanese issues.
Nevertheless, JF has a section for subsidiary discussions which there is not any necessity that the posts be relative to Japanese subjects,and it is the section that I chose for my marginal topics.

I think, that will be the choice of other members to refer this thread or don't. So there is not any interference between Japanese topics and my marginal posts.

The conclusion is that, my posts are not the troublesome matters for other members of Japan Forum and I can remain here and participate in every marginal discussions, in the specified section, apart from other Japanese topics.

cocoichi · 27 Apr 2016

Mansoor said:
The conclusion is that, my posts are not the troublesome matters for other members of Japan Forum and I can remain here and participate in every marginal discussions, in the specified section, apart from other Japanese topics.

Believe it or not, you're even welcome to visit and post in other subject areas as well, if you find an interesting topic that you want to contribute to.

Mansoor · 27 Apr 2016

cocoichi said:
If you have to ask yourself that question, this might indeed not be the right forum for you.

please refer to the answer that I wrote in the previous post.

May I ask how did you end up here? Did you search for something Japan related on google, or something totally different?

It was a randomly referral. I was reading Yahoo News. I saw a news relative to Japanese that sounded to be offensive. Unfortunately, the news was reported, quoting Japanese officials ( the news demonstrated that some Japanese officials participated in the plot to humiliate their people and inspire a kind of slavery to them to damage their wills).
That news made me uneasy and decided to find a Japanese forum and write a comment. In the first my attempt, I found JF accidentally.

RolandtheHeadless · 27 Apr 2016

Mansoor, why do you keep calling me by the wrong name, even after it's been pointed out to you nicely? You say you can read English, so I'm wondering if you're just trying to yank my chain.

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