Do Japans consider themselves to be Turanians?

asaw · 22 Sep 2007

Hello Japans brothers and sisters.

There is a theory that Japans might be related to Mongols and Turks etc..

Do you think there is a truth behind this?

You may learn about Turanian culture here if you do not know what I mean;

turania.com

sanji · 22 Sep 2007

This "theory" is dismissed by all scholars, although it was discuss seriously in the 19th century.

A quick look at this web site clearly shows the lack of references on the subject :

First of all the japanese culture has many similarities with the other turanian cultures. I am actually also learning japanese and because of this I investigated and I'm still investigating their culture!
The reason for complexity of a clear evidence for the japanese language is that there is not a single emigration of nations to the island of Japan. But all of these nations where of turanian origin! It is expected that the first emigration started from siberian region to the island of japan. This was the time when the Ainu were born. There are also theories that the ainus are altaic speakers. The other emigrations have to be of tunguz-mancurian and korean origin! The japanese language changed with every emigration. The most and distinct change started with the use of the different alphabets especially the phonetics changed. Todays japanese (nihon-Go) uses three different types of alphabets. Hiragana is actually used for words with japanese origin. Katakana for foreign vocabulary(non-japanese geographic names/personal names). Kanji is an alphabet of chinese origin!

I don't know where the "emigration" theory is coming from, but considering kanji as an "alphabet" clearly shows very limited linguistic knowledge, so I seriously doubt that you could defend your theory...

sanji

kireikoori · 23 Sep 2007

Ural-Altaic is still a proposed language theory. Just less common than it used to be.

I would say only a few Japanese people consider themselves to be Turanids. I think probably the most common opinion among Japanese people is that they are completely unique and very little related to any other cultures.

tokapi · 23 Sep 2007

kireikoori said:
I would say only a few Japanese people consider themselves to be Turanids.

I would say .... Japanese are clueless to the word [ Turanids ].

kireikoori · 23 Sep 2007

Most are.
Not Turanian National Alliance of Japan in 1921, Japanese Turanian Society of of the early 1930s and NSJAP.

tokapi · 23 Sep 2007

Majority Japanese consider themselves of nomadic Mongoloid stock.

5 migration sources for Japanese origin according to one reputable Japanese historian (1) Siberia (2) China's NE region (3) Korea peninsula (4) China's southern Yangtze River (5) Pacific Islands

kireikoori · 23 Sep 2007

The majority of Japanese people consider themselves a unique race and culture.
You'll hear alot of Japanese online talk of Jomon and Yayoi people and Japanese people who are part Korean or Chinese.

Mongoloid is just a word for Mongol. Mongols are Altaic people or Turanians.
And what Japanese historian is this you are talking about?

tokapi · 31 Dec 2007

A reputable Japanese archaeologist named 樋口隆康 noted 2 Chinese migration routes

* China's lower Yangtze River ( today China's coastal provinces of Jiangsu & Zhejiang ) > northern Kyūshū 九州 of Japan

* southern China via Taiwan and Ryukyus ( Okinawa ) > southern Kyūshū 九州 of Japan.

Kyūshū 九州 Kyushu - Wikipedia

日本考古学研究家 " 樋口隆康 "

樋口隆康 - Google Search

photo of Japanese schoolboys look typical Chinese of northern Zhejiang & Jiangsu in China .... they don't look Mongols or Siberians at all

tokapi · 2 Jan 2008

kireikoori said:
Mongoloid is just a word for Mongol.

It evolved to define East Asian folks & expanded to include other specific Asian nationalities.

(n.) Someone from southern or eastern asia according to a now obsolete racial classification. The name is given, probably as a result of genghis khan's mongol empire, which saw mongols breed with the natives of most asian races/tribes. The key factors in deciding whether a skull is mongoloid or not lie in the eyes and nose.

Most Chinese, Japanese and Koreans were once called ' mongoloid '.

Source: Urban Dictionary: mongoloid

tokapi · 9 Jan 2008

kireikoori said:
The majority of Japanese people consider themselves a unique race and culture.

Take a break,surrogate of Nihonjinron theory.Majority Japanese are ethnically northern Mongoloid stock.

Here is JREF thread link to a DNA map confirms it.

The Separation of the Japanese and Korean ethnic groups

Chi65 · 10 Jan 2008

By the way, posting schoolboys from whichever region in China does not help much.
Many of my chinese friends are not from where they live, because of the constant changes and travellings during Mao's politic.
Also some friends from the Yangtse were clearly and confirmed korean based families, they are as well all over and mixed up with the locals.
Not to mention many chinese mixes with the ruling mongol dynasties in old times and the japanese influences in this century, particularly close to northern Zhejiang, which is near Shanghai. . .
Just to keep this in mind.

NattyBumppo · 10 Jan 2008

This is a very interesting thread, but... why is it even in this forum in the first place?

tokapi · 10 Jan 2008

Chi65 said:
By the way, posting schoolboys from whichever region in China does not help much.

By the way,those Japanese boys in the photo wore typical school uniform in Japan unlike mainland Chinese school kids still have " red ribbon ".

Chi65 · 10 Jan 2008

Oh, sorry, my mistake, aha, Japanese. . .of course, I should have known by reading more properly and because of the uniform. . .never mind.

These days you often can hardly say by faces any more, right.
But by behaviour you often can.

I had a friend, who was welcomed in Chinese language by the Chinese, in Korean by the Koreans and in Japanese by the Japanese, here in Berlin, actually. That was always good fun! And everyone could swear that he looks typical.
Only when they had him around for longer, they realised, who was there.(but they all liked him)

tokapi · 10 Jan 2008

Chi65 said:
Oh, sorry, my mistake, aha, Japanese. . .of course, I should have known by reading more properly and because of the uniform. . .never mind.

haha ... no problem,a percentage of Japanese Chinese Koreans do share some physical & facial similiarities but most have own distinctive looks

kireikoori · 8 Feb 2008

tokapi said:
Take a break,surrogate of Nihonjinron theory.Majority Japanese are ethnically northern Mongoloid stock.
Here is JREF thread link to a DNA map confirms it.
The Separation of the Japanese and Korean ethnic groups

Regardless of what Japanese peoples origins actually are, they still on the whole consider themselves a unique race.
I made no statement about Japan's ethnic origins, but merely how Japan views themselves. Since the topic is called "Do Japans consider themselves to be Turanians?"

Perhaps you should have read my post more carefully before you made such a response.

I'm sure there are a few who consider themselves such. I know that the NSJAP use it as a pathway into Europe to futher assert their Aryan-ness. But Uyoku are just a tiny minority in Japan and NSJAP are by far overshadowed by the other Uyoku.

tokapi said:
It evolved to define East Asian folks & expanded to include other specific Asian nationalities.

Yes, I was aware of that when I made the statement.

Why am I responding to a banned user? I guess somehow even though banned you might be choosing to read. And just to clarify.

Anyway I agree with your claim that Japanese are mostly of North Asian descent. Or maybe I just want Japanese people to be of North Asian descent.
In any case I hope you're right.

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