Difference between ~て下さい and ~て下さいませんか.

healer · 10 Jul 2019

How would one translate the two constructions above?

I understand both means "please" while negative questions are usually used for invitation.

Could I say for the latter "Don't you want to ...?" I guess this is an indirect request which could be more polite.

Lothor · 10 Jul 2019

It is a more polite and indirect request but I wouldn't think of it as "Don't you want to?' despite the negative verb.
Maybe 'Could you please...' ? 'Or would you be kind enough to...?'.
There are people on this board with much better Japanese than me, so hopefully they'll be along soon.

Toritoribe · 10 Jul 2019

～て下さい could sound too strong when used as a request to people you don't know, therefore ～て下さいませんか is more preferred in those cases. It's OK to use ～て下さい as an invitation, for instance どうぞ食べて下さい/お食べ下さい.

healer · 13 Jul 2019

Toritoribe said:
お食べ下さい

Is this an honorific form? Should it be お食べになってください? How would one form お食べ? 食べ is not an verbal noun, isn't it?

Toritoribe · 13 Jul 2019

That's another example of "お + -masu stem of verb + ください", as same as お教えください or お答えください.

~て下さい - a request or a grant of permission?

~て下さい is usually used as a request to someone for doing a favour. Sometimes we respond to a request by saying ...~て下さい which means feel free to do it. I suppose it all depends upon the context again. Without any context, I would interpret the sentence below as a request. Somehow this sentence...

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healer · 14 Jul 2019

I would like to rephrase what you said to verify my understanding.

Toritoribe said:
どうぞ食べて下さい/お食べ下さい

masu stem of verb + てください is a standard form.

Toritoribe said:
お + -masu stem of verb + ください

The above is an honorific form.

Lothor · 14 Jul 2019

healer said:
Is this an honorific form? Should it be お食べになってください? How would one form お食べ? 食べ is not an verbal noun, isn't it?
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From what I understand, although お食べください is grammatically correct and such forms are often used (少々お待ちください) in honorific language,
the irregular honorific form 召し上がってください is used much more often.

healer · 15 Jul 2019

Lothor said:
召し上がってください

Is there any preference between お食べ下さい and お食べになってください? Perhaps 召し上がってください is mostly preferred for this verb.
What about for example お書きになってください and お書きください? I guess I'm asking when to use one not the other.
By the way I often wonder if the special honorific verbs could sometimes be replaced with those created with the お + stem of verb + になるformat.

Toritoribe · 15 Jul 2019

healer said:
masu stem of verb + てください is a standard form.

Not "-masu stem of verb + てください" but "-te form of verb + ください".

That's the polite form. The casual/non-polite one is just the -te form (e.g. 食べて).

healer said:
The above is an honorific form.

Right.

healer said:
Is there any preference between お食べ下さい and お食べになってください? Perhaps 召し上がってください is mostly preferred for this verb.
What about for example お書きになってください and お書きください? I guess I'm asking when to use one not the other.

The order of respectful/polite level is (from top to down);

お召し上がりになってください
お召し上がりください
召し上がってください
お食べになってください
お食べください
食べてください

I think お召し上がりください is the most common in business scenes since お召し上がりになってください is too long.

Incidentally, お召し上がりになる is a double honorific (二重敬語) since 召し上がる is an honorific verb by itself. 二重敬語 is usually considered wrong, but お召し上がりになる is an exception because it's already widely accepted and used. This is probably another reason why お召し上がりください is more preferred.

Similarly, お書きになってください is more polite than お書きください.

healer said:
By the way I often wonder if the special honorific verbs could sometimes be replaced with those created with the お + stem of verb + になるformat.

Special honorific verbs are more respectful than "お + stem of verb + になる". ご覧になる, おいでになる or お見えになる are just a few examples used as special honorific verbs.

healer · 17 Jul 2019

Toritoribe said:
Not "-masu stem of verb + てください" but "-te form of verb + ください".

Sorry I did know about this and I just somehow made such mistake. Thanks again for reminding me.

Your detailed response is very helpful regarding the level of politeness.

Difference between ~て下さい and ~て下さいませんか.

healer

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~て下さい - a request or a grant of permission?

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