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[Nuala]

I just pray he will learn how to give direct answers to direct questions rather than use them as springboards to launch straw men on tangents that read like Zen riddles.

Never said you did. You're driving up the price of straw men considerably, you know.
So why aren't you a monk?

Could you do me a favor and explain why you're talking down to me? Must I be ridiculed by you simply because I expressed how frustrated I am? i don't like the way you're taking to me, could you review what you've said and determine whether or not it's even remotely justifiable?

I don't like it when people post ostensibly asking for practical advice and then it turns out they're just whiny-assed drama queens who get off on having something to ***** about and a public forum to do it in.
It would be nice if you could answer questions in a straightforward manner instead of always going off on melodramatic tangents and erecting straw men to knock down.
I have no intention of getting into some drawn-out PM exchange which would only serve to feed your poor-me drama queen victim mentality, so you needn't bother typing up a private reply to this; it will be ignored.

Hi Mike Cash. I'm a really patient person. I take being sworn at with a smile on my face, and I consider myself an awfully forgiving person. I thought having a one-to-one chat in private could decrease this animosity you have towards me(It has worked in the past with others). However, you have told me you would not respond again, so what else can I do but take this to the thread from which it branched out of? I'm sure you understand that reasoning well enough as you've always seemed as though you were an articulate and reasonable man!

My boss swears at me. He does the bare minimum work he can without pissing off the higher-ups off. I work myself half to death every shift and he makes up some bullshit to degrade me with. A simple "good job" would suffice, so that it is at least acknowledged that I am not slacking off. But n, he swears at me and pisses on the hard work that I do. I'm not some sort of victim. I am merely trapped in a situation that I cannot do anything about at the moment.

Some of my co-workers try my patience. There is a fine line between joking with me about something silly or giving me an absurd nickname(Which hasn't occurred), and telling customers that I am having sex with a co-worker & that we are kissing cousins. What sort of trash says that crap? I'm serious here. There is a fine line between joking with me about it, and telling customers. I wish it were the former that was occurring, as I wouldn't have a complaint about it. But, beyond telling them to knock it off, what am I to do? The biggest thing is that I know what I need to do, and that this thread is merely to get this crap off my chest where I wouldn't be harassed or called some vile nonsense along the lines of "whiny-assed drama queen". Whatever, it's fine. I will work tirelessly towards ensuring all of my future posts will not annoy the great and benevolent Mike Cash.

You could try being a home care person. You work alone out on the edge; kind of your own boss. The pay is pitiful , probably less than a monk makes , LOL. You pray a lot ! Pray your patient doesn't die while you are with him. Pray he doesn't fall and pray you don't pull or strain something so you can't work. The benefits are , you sleep good nights , knowing you are helping someone who needs help baddly. Keeping a person in their own home and out of the nurseing home or hospital seems like something a kindly monk might do. Lord knows, we sure need more people in the homecare field with our ageing population.
Uncle Frank
:?

That's not a bad idea, Uncle Frank. How does one go about getting into such a field? I imagine it probably involves nursing school, right?

 

[Mike Cash]

Taking being sworn at with a smile on your face....have you ever stopped to consider that that is the reason you get MORE of it. If you don't like being everybody's doormat then STAND UP already!

Seriously, you give every impression of being the type of person who in some perverse way thrives on this sort of crap and wouldn't know what to do without it. The prime example of the old observation, "Some people aren't happy unless they have something to b!tch about".

Still waiting to hear just when it was you weren't burdened by this material world and why you aren't a monk.

Since you have no concept of what "private" in "private message" refers to, I don't think ANY sort of priesthood is for you. My personal policy has always been in public never even to indicate that private messages have been exchanged. Still, I had a strong premonition you lacked any such scruples and wrote nothing I wouldn't have said to you in public anyway.

 

[Nuala]

Taking being sworn at with a smile on your face....have you ever stopped to consider that that is the reason you get MORE of it. If you don't like being everybody's doormat then STAND UP already!

Seriously, you give every impression of being the type of person who in some perverse way thrives on this sort of crap and wouldn't know what to do without it. The prime example of the old observation, "Some people aren't happy unless they have something to b!tch about".

Still waiting to hear just when it was you weren't burdened by this material world and why you aren't a monk.

I find it amusing that a few posts give you the impression that I am the sort of person that in some perverse way thrives on this sort of crap and wouldn't know what to do without it. I like it better when your scathing retorts and such are based on reason and not mindlessness as certainly seems to be the case right now. I am first a whiny-assed drama queen and now a masochist who thrives on being treated poorly. Fantastic of you to say such things, Mike Cash.

I sternly tell my manager and co-worker that I do not appreciate the way they're talking to me or what they're saying about me to regular customers. Beyond that, what position do you think I am in to confront my boss with this? I make a list of everything I did during my shift and ask him if I can go over it with him. Often times he takes the list from me and ignores it. And then the next day I get some nonsense about something not being done. I politely question him about it and I am promptly asked if I am calling him a liar. Between that there are many swears directed at me.

Since you have no concept of what "private" in "private message" refers to, I don't think ANY sort of priesthood is for you. My personal policy has always been in public never even to indicate that private messages have been exchanged. Still, I had a strong premonition you lacked any such scruples and wrote nothing I wouldn't have said to you in public anyway.

You shouldn't have opened this can of worms, Mike Cash. I was happy enough to chat with you in private in regards to your rude behavior towards me, but insulting me further and telling me you won't respond sorta eliminates that option, doesn't it? You lacked the scruples to not insult me(I've done NOTHING to you to deserve that). You couldn't even put a lid on your arrogance long enough to discuss my concerns with you in private, who are you to condemn me for putting a message you sent me in this thread? What's the matter? You got what you asked for with that response you gave my initial message to you.

 

[Mike Cash]

Dude, I fully EXPECTED you would cut-n-paste my PM. Don't get so gleeful over the mistaken notion you have scored some vengeance on me.

 

[JimmySeal]

Thanks guys. This thread has been thoroughly entertaining.

Thor,
I just got through reading a thread where you concluded the US education system is broken because you got bullied in school. You never told any person of authority because you didn't want to be a "rat" and apparently expected them to pick up on the problem by eavesdropping on your conversations. Instead of facing the problem head on, you developed a bunch of issues, went to the hospital, and blame the school for your own inaction.

Now you're being picked on at work. Is this just a coincidence?

You are acting like a doormat. You are here asking for advice, but you haven't listened to any that has been provided to you (aside from the idea of completely changing your line of work) and seem unwilling to do anything about the problem. You asked your coworkers to knock it off and it didn't work. Tell them that if they don't stop what they are doing, you are going to have to tell someone about it. If they still carry on, then you really have no other option but to tell a superior and see whatever consequences that will have. You will have given them fair warning.

 

[Nuala]

Dude, I fully EXPECTED you would cut-n-paste my PM. Don't get so gleeful over the mistaken notion you have scored some vengeance on me.

I think it's hilarious that you even think in such a way, Mike Cash. Vengeance on an internet forum!? My lord, hahaha. Is vengeance pointing out the hypocrisy of what you say, Mike Cash? If so, vengeance has fallen on hard times indeed. Yet, I must insist that it isn't the case. No, I simply pointed out that you had the nerve to insult me in response to the inquiry I posed to you. To throw salt in the wound, you decided to also add that you would not respond if I replied back? That's commonly referred to as copping out, do you understand that? To then decry that I lacked the scruples to honor your privacy when you copped out of the discussion I wanted to have with you just sorta made it worse, at least in my eyes. I've respected you for a long while, Mike Cash. Clearly you are not as respectable as I believed, so what can I say further beyond that I am so entirely disheartened by your demeanor towards me?

Thanks guys. This thread has been thoroughly entertaining.

I imagine it has been amusing for one such as yourself, please note that I consigned your contribution to this thread as nothing more than some steaming pile of crap after reading the above quoted section of your reply.

Thor,
I just got through reading a thread where you concluded the US education system is broken because you got bullied in school. You never told any person of authority because you didn't want to be a "rat" and apparently expected them to pick up on the problem by eavesdropping on your conversations. Instead of facing the problem head on, you developed a bunch of issues, went to the hospital, and blame the school for your own inaction.

Yes, I developed an issue(singular). It's commonly referred to as depression. I'm over that now. High school is a different time in all of our lives and it is somewhat different from a workplace, even if you compare it by maturity alone. I went to an outpatient program at a hospital, and they determined for my own sake that it would be best that I not continue my senior year at the high school.

You don't rat on people as you suggest I should have done, JimmySeal. Especially in an environment such as a high school. Are you so ignorant as to believe I never went to a dean and told them of what I was experiencing? Do you know what they did? They brought the group of students in, and asked them whether or not they did what I was accusing them of to the dean. The dean then inquired as to why I was "making things up" in front of the very students I was being harassed by. Do you know what happened after that? The bullying got much worse after that incident. That's high school for you though. However, if you wish to say I said something along the lines of the US education system in it's entirety being broken because I was bullied, feel free to continue to do so, but it would be a gross exaggeration on your part. I know I said that my grades improved drastically after I was removed from the hostile environment in that school, but to jump from that to the entirety of the US education system being broken on account of that? Absurd, simply absurd. The farthest I would go with that would be that I experienced one of the multitude of aspects of why the US Education system is failing.

Now you're being picked on at work. Is this just a coincidence?

I wouldn't describe it as "being picked on", but that's your choice of words, not my own. Am I frustrated that a co-worker acts as if he was 10 years old? Yes. Am I frustrated that my boss is unprofessional and swears at me as though I were unworthy of being spoken to in a civil manner? Definitely, but "being picked on"? You'll have to excuse me if I find that choice of words a little obnoxious.

You are acting like a doormat. You are here asking for advice, but you haven't listened to any that has been provided to you (aside from the idea of completely changing your line of work) and seem unwilling to do anything about the problem. You asked your coworkers to knock it off and it didn't work. Tell them that if they don't stop what they are doing, you are going to have to tell someone about it. If they still carry on, then you really have no other option but to tell a superior and see whatever consequences that will have. You will have given them fair warning.

How many times do I have to say I've been taking care of that? I have told them to knock it off, and I have told someone higher up than my manager about it. The fact that I can't get something off my chest without wading through all this crap(Such as your post) is absurd.

 

[Mike Cash]

Please give examples of my hypocrisy.

The idea that I "copped out" of your discussion is silly. I'm under no obligation to engage in a PM exchange just because you choose to initiate one. Anything I have to discuss with you can be done publicly. As a general rule I dislike private messages. I prefer saying what I have to say in the open and PUTTING MY NAME ON IT.

 

[AJBryant]

My eyes are rolling so much I'm getting dizzy.

Jeez. Thor (wouldn't Loki be better?) I think you may be having problems because you're a carrier, man. Good God.

 

[Mike Cash]

He doesn't have Irritable Bowel Syndrome but he is a carrier.

 

[Nuala]

My eyes are rolling so much I'm getting dizzy.

Jeez. Thor (wouldn't Loki be better?) I think you may be having problems because you're a carrier, man. Good God.

I sincerely hope you're not referring to me as a fag, AJBryant.

He doesn't have Irritable Bowel Syndrome but he is a carrier.

Yes, I am not full of crap but I am purportedly a fag. Thanks for that.

Please give examples of my hypocrisy.

Could you do me a favor and explain why you're talking down to me? Must I be ridiculed by you simply because I expressed how frustrated I am? i don't like the way you're taking to me, could you review what you've said and determine whether or not it's even remotely justifiable?

I don't like it when people post ostensibly asking for practical advice and then it turns out they're just whiny-assed drama queens who get off on having something to ***** about and a public forum to do it in.
It would be nice if you could answer questions in a straightforward manner instead of always going off on melodramatic tangents and erecting straw men to knock down.
I have no intention of getting into some drawn-out PM exchange which would only serve to feed your poor-me drama queen victim mentality, so you needn't bother typing up a private reply to this; it will be ignored.

Since you have no concept of what "private" in "private message" refers to, I don't think ANY sort of priesthood is for you. My personal policy has always been in public never even to indicate that private messages have been exchanged. Still, I had a strong premonition you lacked any such scruples and wrote nothing I wouldn't have said to you in public anyway.

You insult me in this thread. I send you a private message inquiring as to why you are doing so. You insult me further, and inform me that you will not respond should I reply back. You then bemoan that I lack the scruples to honor the privacy of your insult-laden reply to my inquiry(as quoted above). You lack the scruples to not disrespect your fellow community members. I consider that hypocrisy.

As a general rule I dislike private messages. I prefer saying what I have to say in the open and PUTTING MY NAME ON IT.

Why not disable private messaging then? That is unless that is just some excuse you're using? Maybe you already know how to do it, but for the record: My Settings > Settings & Options > Edit Options > Messaging & Notification > Uncheck the "Enable Private Messaging" box > Save Changes. And now you can stick to what you've just said to the letter and "PUT YOUR NAME ON IT".

The idea that I "copped out" of your discussion is silly. I'm under no obligation to engage in a PM exchange just because you choose to initiate one. Anything I have to discuss with you can be done publicly.

You refused to privately discuss with me why you were being so rude in this thread. You copped out of having the discussion with me. It's a simple concept, Mike Cash. I'm not going to get into that any further. I don't need to get into it any further.

 

[Mike Cash]

So you felt insulted both in public and in private. Wherein lies the inconsistency?

It is no secret I don't care for private messages, unless something truly private needs to be discussed (which is very seldom) and it is with someone I like (which doesn't include you). I choose to leave it enabled for the people I do like, who have the courtesy to only contact me privately regarding private matters. I had and have nothing whatsoever to discuss with you of a private nature. Never have and never will.

As regards your no longer respecting me....I have never had a high enough opinion of you to give a damn one way or the other what you may think of me.

How about you explain why you steadfastly ignore ALL direct questions in this thread? How about you explain your glaring inconsistencies? You would have us believe that you have sufficient pull with your boss that you could have coworkers fired. Then you tell us your boss swears at you and you take it with a smile. Next we hear you don't.

I'm not "copping out" of any discussion with you; I'M HAVING IT WITH YOU IN PUBLIC, you self-absorbed tool. You don't need to get into it any further because it is glaringly obvious to everybody what a stupid assertion it is to begin with.

Now....how about pointing out where I insulted you in this thread? Prior to your little post-PM panties-in-a-knot snit, I mean. None of this would happen if you would just act like a twenty-two year old MAN instead of a twelve year old GIRL.

There....that ought to be sufficiently insulting for you.

 

[Nuala]

Now....how about pointing out where I insulted you in this thread? It is no secret I don't care for private messages, unless something truly private needs to be discussed (which is very seldom) and it is with someone I like (which doesn't include you).

You're acting like a child, Mike Cash. I'm not allowed to ask why you're being rude to me? Who do you think you are that you believe you're above reproach? Also, haha, you finally remembered that you had accepted a friend's request from me last year and decided to delete me? Nice catch.

I choose to leave it enabled for the people I do like, who have the courtesy to only contact me privately regarding private matters. I had and have nothing whatsoever to discuss with you of a private nature. Never have and never will.

It sure seems like I certainly had something I wanted to discuss with you privately, but I suppose that only goes one way, right? Would it have been so hard to explain why you thought it was necessary to be rude to me? I work full-time, go to college, and I take care of my younger siblings. I wanted to get a frustration of mine off my chest. Woes at the workplace is a common enough subject to be discussed. Other posters were decent enough to follow the forum's rules on respecting ALL forum members, but you think you don't have to?

As regards your no longer respecting me....I have never had a high enough opinion of you to give a damn one way or the other what you may think of me.

If that's how you feel, alright, but it is stated within the forum rules to treat all members of this community with respect. It doesn't say you can pick and choose who to give the most basic amount of respect to. It neither your right nor mine to treat people badly because we don't like them or dislike their stance on a matter. You know better, and so do I.

How about you explain why you steadfastly ignore ALL direct questions in this thread? How about you explain your glaring inconsistencies?

You would have us believe that you have sufficient pull with your boss that you could have coworkers fired.

Why do you take, "I don't want him to get fired" and jump to "I have enough pull with my boss to get my co-workers fired"? I never said the latter statement, or anything close to it. So, therefore, no, I would not have you or anyone believe anything of the sort.

Then you tell us your boss swears at you and you take it with a smile.

You need to be able to take crap like that with a smile, Mike Cash. Do you think I can tell my boss off and expect the guy to act congenial when he has a tendency to disrespect ALL OF HIS EMPLOYEES? It's not just me he swears at. I've spoken to higher-ups on the matter already though.

I'm not "copping out" of any discussion with you; I'M HAVING IT WITH YOU IN PUBLIC

Actually, beyond throwing more insults my way, you haven't said a thing as to why you think it's okay to talk to anyone as poorly as you have with me. This thread? It's about my frustration with my workplace, although more recently more about this petty drama between you and I that I tried to discuss with you in private, where it belongs.

you self-absorbed tool

This is what I'm referring to, there is no need for that in any situation. I've been frustrated with other members in the past, and I admit I may have acted a tad bit like you are now, but it always up to me to become more patient and understanding of others rather than throw insults around.

Prior to your little post-PM panties-in-a-knot snit, I mean. None of this would happen if you would just act like a twenty-two year old MAN instead of a twelve year old GIRL.

This is the sort of talk I am also referring to. Nobody deserves to be spoken to like that. I have been reprimanded in the past for talking as you are now, why do you think it's okay to talk in such a way? There's no wit to it, or any wit to referring to me as a carrier of STDs, or, in your meaning, a fag, which is unfortunately commonly used to insult people who identify as homosexual?

Now....how about pointing out where I insulted you in this thread?

Of course, if you only meant you'd like to sit around and contemplate your navel while somebody else pays to feed you, then go on welfare.

What does that mean in plain English? When Mama and Daddy paid for everything?

You were being rude to me, Mike Cash. It is not beyond my rights to ask why it's justifiable, as I did in the initial private message I sent you.

There....that ought to be sufficiently insulting for you.

Okay? Well, I look forward to your next insult-filled retort, good Mike Cash. But, I will be most assuredly further disheartened by it. You wanna know why I like this forum? I've had great discussions with community members like Uncle Frank, Pachipro, sabro, strongvoicesforward. When I was younger, moderators such as Mars Man were kind enough to be patient with me. I loved reading posts by members such as yourself on your experiences in Japan.

Truth be told, I don't see much of posts like that anymore. I don't see much of anything along those lines. You know what's really sad? I don't want anyone's pity, as I don't need any, but knowing that I had such a terrible time in high school, what do you think I did with my time considering my socializing with my peers was at a bare minimum? I've been a member of this forum for 6 years, 11 months, 24 days. I will have been a member of this forum for 7 years come the 14th of this month. I genuinely like all of you so much it hurts when you say things like you have never had an ounce of respect for me. You say such vicious things without a second thought, don't you? I'm done. I hope you've gotten your pound of flesh because I am most certainly and entirely exhausted by this chat with you.

 

[Mike Cash]

I accepted your friend request because after an absence you made a post indicating you realized how annoying you had been in the past and I was willing to give you another chance.

Unfortunately, you're still the same annoying snot you always were.

Neither of the examples of insults you mentioned were insults; you're just hypersensitive. I was asking what period of time you were referring to when you were unburdened by the material world. The only conceivable answers are when you were a child and others were completely responsible for you or that you have some recollection of floating around in the cosmic ectoplasma as a disembodied heavenly spirit or some such thing. Are we EVER going to find out what the heck you meant by that? When you throw off your glib crap some of us do you the courtesy of attempting to understand it as actually MEANING something. Inability to get clarification despite REPEATED attempts merely serves to point out that you're just talking to hear yourself talk and that we should neither pay much attention to it nor take it seriously. It's part of why you're so damned ANNOYING. I'd love to follow you through a day in your life as a fly on the wall and count the number of people around you who roll their eyes.

 

[Nuala]

I accepted your friend request because after an absence you made a post indicating you realized how annoying you had been in the past and I was willing to give you another chance.

That is just so benevolent of you, Mike Cash.

Neither of the examples of insults you mentioned were insults; you're just hypersensitive. I was asking what period of time you were referring to when you were unburdened by the material world. The only conceivable answers are when you were a child and others were completely responsible for you or that you have some recollection of floating around in the cosmic ectoplasma as a disembodied heavenly spirit or some such thing. Are we EVER going to find out what the heck you meant by that?

Do you think I'd actually respond to a statement along the lines of, "when mommy and daddy paid for everything"? You were clearly annoyed by my turn of phrase, but to talk down to me for it? I don't see how that's excusable. This is what I do these days, as I'm sure many people do. I go to work. I spend the majority of my paycheck on gasoline to get to work. I give another hefty sum of it to my parents, again reasonable. The rest goes to material objects to make me feel less miserable. I repeat the cycle. My boss treats me like dirt, despite the fact I work like a dog for him. I go home. I get treated like crap by my siblings & parents. I get paid. Majority of it goes towards gasoline to be treated like dirt by the boss. Another hefty sum goes to the parents for the honor of being treated like a poorly behaving dog, despite the fact that I give them a large sum of my paycheck every two weeks, and spend most of my day when I'm not working doing tasks for them.

I say, "Enough". They say, "Move out". I realize I could not afford to move out on my paycheck. I shut my mouth and take it. It is a cycle that I am stuck in, and until someone responds to a job application so I can work a second job, this is what I'm stuck with.

I'd love to follow you through a day in your life as a fly on the wall and count the number of people around you who roll their eyes.

Yes, I'm sure a great many people roll their eyes at me. I'm as flawed as the next person and am bound to annoy someone. Man, you would not believe how badly clerks get treated. Prank phone calls, people horrified that they have to wait for their $100 bill to be broken when I'm only supposed to have $50 at the most in my register, idiots crying when they get carded for alcohol & tobacco products, some obscure item not being carried, not having the same prices as a super market. You know what? You might have a point to the possibility that I am a masochist. Lord..

 

[Mike Cash]

And I'm sorry you're still an annoying snot. I had hoped passing from your teen years into adulthood had broken you of it.

 

[Nuala]

And I'm sorry you're still an annoying snot. I had hoped passing from your teen years into adulthood had broken you of it.

Ahhh, that's not fair! You cannot possibly hope to say you walk around all day and people do nothing but praise your magnificence, right..? :? Oh hey, before the subject is completely lost, why is it okay for you to refer to me as a fag, talk down to me, and so on? Please respond to that.

 

[Mike Cash]

When did I refer to you as a fag?

 

[Mike Cash]

Come on, Thor. Show everybody how ridiculous a drama queen you are.....point out where I referred to you as a fag. Point out where ANYBODY in this thread referred to you as a fag. Point out where anyone said you have STDs.

 

[Nuala]

When did I refer to you as a fag?

Come on, Thor. Show everybody how ridiculous a drama queen you are.....point out where I referred to you as a fag. Point out where ANYBODY in this thread referred to you as a fag. Point out where anyone said you have STDs.

He doesn't have Irritable Bowel Syndrome but he is a carrier.

Today I plan to wait for Thor to substantiate his scurrilous slur claiming that he has been called a fag and carrier of STDs in another of his threads.

You're going to claim that you were not referring to me as homosexual, a carrier of STD's, or a fag when you referred to me as a carrier. That is fairly common and old slang, as you well know. Will you also deny that you were saying I was full of crap by saying that I don't have irritable bowel syndrome? I'm okay with you denying it, because I expect you to. I'm done with this discussion though. Feel free to keep replying to this thread as you desire, but please try to keep it in this thread, and once again, take note of the fact that I will no longer respond to your posts & such in the future.

 

[Mike Cash]

You can't be this stupid, so this is either self-serving deliberate obtuseness on your part or a desperate desire to set up some more straw men and hide behind them while throwing a You're-A-Homophobe Trump Card. Lame, lame, lame.

Saying you're a carrier of Irritable Bowel Syndrome means you ANNOY THE SH!T OUT OF OTHERS.

Since when is that condition an STD anyway? And just because YOU have issues coping with your sexual attraction to men doesnt mean that anybody else here does. I couldn't care less about your sexuality. Get over yourself already.

For a guy who REPEATEDLY has nothing more to say you sure are a windbag.

 

[thomas]

This seems to be getting out of hand and a tad too personal for public discussion. Thread closed.