Are these sentences right?

Tomii515 · 2 Apr 2006

Yuki ga jimen o furu. : The snow falls on the ground.

Yuki ga jimen o furimashita. : The snow fell on the ground.

Yuki ga jimen o karuku (it's either karuku/kuruku) furu. : The snow lightly falls on the ground.

Watashitachi wa fuyu no yuki ni suwaru. : We sit in the snow.

Ame ga furimashita. : The rain fell.

Watashitachi mo anata ga ai. : We love you, too/also.

Tokidoki, chiizu o kou. : Sometimes, I eat cheese.

Watashitachi wa kaze wo kiku. : We listen to the wind.

Tsukarasimashita. : I'm tired.

Onara shimashita. : I farted.

kuru ka? : Can I come?

Iie o kite imasu. : I am coming.

That's it, i guess....just tell the ones that are wrong, if there is any...Thank you!

KrazyKat · 2 Apr 2006

jimen NI furu
わたしたちもあなたが SUKI (for meaning of 'we(as well as other people) love you', not 'we love you(as well as others)')
ときどき、チーズをTABERU (kuu is OK as well, but less polite)
つかれました (you need the intransitive verb - the one without the direct object)
can i come きてもいい？ (You probably don't know how to say this yet, so don't worry)
i am coming いきます

Try not to mix up your plain and polite forms. Try to use the polite ones all the time.

I'm really impressed by how fast you are progressing, keep it up!

BTW, have you found a good text book yet?

nice gaijin · 2 Apr 2006

just plainly say "yuki ga furu/futta/furimasu/furimashita" furu is not a transitive verb, so you don't use "wo" with it, and you don't need to mention the ground either. yuki ga karuku furimashita is fine

watashitachi ha yuki ni suwaru

ai is not a verb, you need "suru." it's also transitive, so it requires "wo" instead of "ga"... watashitachi mo anata wo ai shiteru (yo). kind of a weird sentence though...

toki doki, chi-zu wo kuu/taberu

tsukaremashita or tsukareta is "I'm tired"

kuru ka? is a very casual way of asking if someone is coming. to ask permission, you'd say "kitemo ii?" or "kitemo ii desu ka?"

iku (yo) or ikimasu (yo) is "I will come," "mukatteiru touchuu" would be "I am on my way over there now"

The ones I didn't mention seemed fine grammar-wise. One thing to be careful of is going from casual to polite sentences: when you are talking or writing to someone, you need to pick one and stick with it. Have you done much practice with the difference between dictionary (casual) and desu-masu (more polite) forms?

edit: heh krazykat is a tad quicker than I

patroclus · 2 Apr 2006

So, "ga" particle can't be used in transitive verb sentences??
I suppose confusing "ga" and "wa" is something usual at the begining, and so far I try to distinguis when to use one or another.

If you want to say, "we love you", instead of "we love you too"
"watashitachi wa anata wo ai shiteru" would be correct?

couldn't it be:
"watashitachi ga anata wo ai shiteru"

As "we" is the subject, I find "ga" to be correct...

Mike Cash · 2 Apr 2006

nice gaijin said:
furu is not a transitive verb

More accurately, 降る (furu) is not a transitive verb. 振る (furu), on the other hand, is a transitive verb.

Gaijinian · 2 Apr 2006

And 古 (furu) is not even a verb at all

Elizabeth · 3 Apr 2006

The only time I know of 降る being used transtively is XXXを降らせて when you want to talk about someone or something is causing the weather.

（私達は雨を降らせて下さる神に祈ります。）

KrazyKat · 3 Apr 2006

patroclus said:
So, "ga" particle can't be used in transitive verb sentences??

tomii used ga to mark the direct object instead of wo. That is what was being referred to. The subject can of course be marked with either ga or wa.

undrentide · 3 Apr 2006

patroclus said:
So, "ga" particle can't be used in transitive verb sentences??
I suppose confusing "ga" and "wa" is something usual at the begining, and so far I try to distinguis when to use one or another.

If you want to say, "we love you", instead of "we love you too"
"watashitachi wa anata wo ai shiteru" would be correct?

couldn't it be:
"watashitachi ga anata wo ai shiteru"

As "we" is the subject, I find "ga" to be correct...

Unless you want to emphasize the subject, you should use "wa" instead of "ga".

"watashitachi wa anata wo ai shiteru"
as for us, (we) love you.
(plain, neutral sentence)

"watashitachi ga anata wo ai shiteru"
it is us (not anyone else) that love you.
(in reply to a question "who loves me?", for example.)

Tomii515 · 4 Apr 2006

ok...ty all peoples, i knwo understand my problems, on my own, but thank you anyways ^_^

Glenn · 8 Apr 2006

Elizabeth said:
The only time I know of 降る being used transitively is XXXを降らせて when you want to talk about someone or something is causing the weather.

（私達は雨を降らせて下さる神に祈ります。）

Causatives are a different story than the category of the plain form of verbs. All causatives can take を, even if the root verb is intransitive, like 子供たちを帰らせた.

euske · 8 Apr 2006

Some people say "雨に降られる" (I got caught in the rain), which treats rain like an agent.

Elizabeth · 8 Apr 2006

Glenn said:
Causatives are a different story than the category of the plain form of verbs. All causatives can take を, even if the root verb is intransitive, like 子供たちを帰らせた.

Yeah that's a very useful feature of intransitive verbs, isn't it ? Using
を to make clear the intended meaning of forcing in contrast to に which implies permitting or allowing.

Glenn · 9 Apr 2006

Indeed. Anything to lessen ambiguity is a friend of mine.

Fehrant · 12 Apr 2006

Not to get too off-topic here, but since this has been mentioned:

kuru ka? is a very casual way of asking if someone is coming. to ask permission, you'd say "kitemo ii?" or "kitemo ii desu ka?"

Is this applicable for other verbs as well? Basically, verb in TE form + mo + ii, would mean "is it ok to do [verb]"? For example, mite mo ii would mean "is it ok to look?"

cheapshot · 12 Apr 2006

Fehrant said:
Not to get too off-topic here, but since this has been mentioned:

kuru ka? is a very casual way of asking if someone is coming. to ask permission, you'd say "kitemo ii?" or "kitemo ii desu ka?"

Is this applicable for other verbs as well? Basically, verb in TE form + mo + ii, would mean "is it ok to do [verb]"? For example, mite mo ii would mean "is it ok to look?"

yes. exactly that.

[ここに]すわってもいいですか。
is it ok to sit here

Fehrant · 12 Apr 2006

Thanks for the confirmation, and for not using kanjis; I'm barely a beginner.

cheapshot · 12 Apr 2006

no problem.

Glenn · 14 Apr 2006

来てもいい sounds wierd to me, because it seems like you're asking someone if you can move to where you are. If you're asking if it's alright to go to someone's place, you would say 行ってもいい？, whereas in English you would say "is it alright if I come over?"

KrazyKat · 14 Apr 2006

Thanks for catching that.

I have a little question though. If you are already at where you are going to go to, and are talking about going there again, then you would use kuru, right?
来週また来てもいいですか

Elizabeth · 14 Apr 2006

KrazyKat said:
Thanks for catching that.
I have a little question though. If you are already at where you are going to go to, and are talking about going there again, then you would use kuru, right?
来週また来てもいいですか

問題ない. 来てもいい ? may also be used to ask the person you're talking with whether it's OK if they or a related third party come or not, not only yourself, which is why it is really important to specify the subject in these kinds of conversations.

Glenn · 14 Apr 2006

KrazyKat said:
来週また来てもいいですか

That looks perfectly natural to me.

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