Anyone tried raw horse meat?

playaa · 1 May 2004

Eating raw Horse is nasty. Poor horses

Lina Inverse · 1 May 2004

ascate said:
well now,
horse meat is commonly eaten in almost every country in Europe (excepted maybe in England). I know that in Switzerland, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, the eastern countries you find it in a lot of restaurants, as an "entrecﾃｴte" (or steak if you prefer). You'll have it in air-dried meat, too.[...]

Not true, at least not for Germany. You won't find horse hose meat over here, neither in supermarkets nor in butcher shops or restaurants. Eating horse meat is frowned upon here very much
Same goes for Italy. In my long years visiting Italy I've never ever seen horse meat being offered in a supermarket or other market, butcher shop or restaurant.

yimija · 1 May 2004

Dear Lina Inverse

Have a stroll down to Bavaria, and the south black forest region. You'll see as for Italy, I did not mention it, but it's the same in the most northern part, the ones that are close along the austrian border-. And if you wish, I'll give you an address of an excellent restaurant (for venetian liver, polenta, pasta, and fish) where they serve horse meat. That's in Venezia. But I agree, the larger part of Italy is not having it.

as for playaa, yes I agree, and I think NO ONE eats raw horse meet. It has to be cook or salted/ air-dryed.

Sacrebelu !!!

Lina Inverse · 1 May 2004

ascate said:
Have a stroll down to Bavaria [...]

Just as I said, you generally won't find it in Germany. Bavaria practically is a country of its own, they even call themselves "Free State Bavaria" and have their own language, "Bavarian", which is practically incomprehensible for any normal German
It belonging to Germany is pretty much only on the paper, it differs a lot from Germany in many things. It always makes me sick when I see some foreign country showing some Bavarian stuff and then claim it would be typical for Germany - nothing could be farther from the truth :auch:
So it doesn't wonder me at at that they're eating horse meat which is frowned upon in Germany... and Northern Italy probably adapted it from them, after it reached Austria.

bossel · 1 May 2004

Lina Inverse said:
Not true, at least not for Germany. You won't find horse hose meat over here, neither in supermarkets nor in butcher shops or restaurants. Eating horse meat is frowned upon here very much

Actually you can find horse meat not only in Bavaria. I'm in North-Rhine Westphalia & you can find a special butcher in pretty much every city, I think. You wouldn't get it in most supermarkets, though.

In the Netherlands I've seen it in supermarkets, too. There it's actually quite cheap, contrary to Germany (although when my grandma was younger it was considered poor people's food).

I tried horse goulash once or twice & it tastes quite good. I never heard of horse meat eaten raw, though. But pork & beef can be eaten raw, then it's called Mett & Tatar. I eat Mett regularly on bread.

yimija · 1 May 2004

german horses are not laughing any more, either !

well now...

that mak a lot of german horse eating, no ?
and horse goulash is, of course a typical meal in the eastern regions, such as Hungary and others. And they make with lamb or beef as well.

anata no subete wo aishite imasu.

Lina Inverse · 1 May 2004

ascate said:
well now...

that mak a lot of german horse eating, no ?

No. You can't conclude from a few limited locations onto the entire country
As I said, there aren't any horse butchers anywhere here, and you won't find it in supermarkets or restaurants either, as it's quite unpopular here (frowned upon, as I said).

Raw pork mincemeat, called Schweinemett ("Schwein" means "pig"), is indeed quite popular here, I eat it often as well. I've never ever heard the term "Tatar", though... over here it's either "Schweinemett" for pork mincemeat or "Rindermett" for beef mincemeat (which is much less popular than pork mincemeat).

yimija · 1 May 2004

to lina inverse, with love, of course

Sie kﾃｶnnen kein rohe Schweinefleischfleisch essen.
Sie kﾃｶnnen kein rohe Pferdefleisch essen.
sie sind beide schlechte fﾃｼr Ihre Gesundheit.
entschuldigen Sie meinen Deutschen, es ist nur meine 7e Sprache.

So ? no, well ok I agree, one part of germany is not whole germany, but it tends to prove that every country has it's feeding habbits. And horsemeat is, if not "popular" at least a product well know all over the world.

The native american indians used to eat horse meat. And then horse was their only mean of transportation. Can you immagine yourself eating your own mean of transport ? like a Volkswagen ??

Well, life is a happy situation, no ? I think so

Lina Inverse · 2 May 2004

ascate said:
Sie kﾃｶnnen kein rohe Schweinefleischfleisch essen.
Sie kﾃｶnnen kein rohe Pferdefleisch essen.
sie sind beide schlechte fﾃｼr Ihre Gesundheit.
entschuldigen Sie meinen Deutschen, es ist nur meine 7e Sprache.

Sie kﾃｶnnen kein rohes Schweinefleisch essen. - why two times "Fleisch"?
Sie kﾃｶnnen kein rohes Pferdefleisch essen.
Sie sind beide schlecht fﾃｼr Ihre Gesundheit. - "schlecht" doesn't stand with a noun here, so it is not altered
Entschuldigen Sie mein Deutsch, es ist nur meine 7. Sprache. - "meinen Deutschen" would mean a person who is German, not the language. For ordinal numbers, simply put a dot after the number, not some letters as in English.
btw, this might be useful for you, here's an English<->German dictionary which also has the pronunciation of the German words as audio files, simply click on the after the translated word.

Well, I would fully agree with you there if you were talking about American meat. As you don't have any quality standards there, it's normally of very very poor quality, as they are fattening the animals as much as possible and also pump them up with antibiotics and all sorts of other medicine. This means the meat is not only very fat, but also full of residues from all the medicamentation, so eating this crap raw would indeed be very unhealthy.
In Germany, however, we have very high quality standards, and even much more so for butcher meat. Only medicine which doesn't leave any residues may be used, and only if absolutely neccessary. Meat of overly fattened animals simply won't sell, even the supermarket meat doesn't have that much fat, and the butcher meat generally has next to none. So, there's absolutely no need to be preoccupied if you eat the meat raw.

ascate said:
So ? no, well ok I agree, one part of germany is not whole germany, but it tends to prove that every country has it's feeding habbits. And horsemeat is, if not "popular" at least a product well know all over the world.

The native american indians used to eat horse meat. And then horse was their only mean of transportation. Can you immagine yourself eating your own mean of transport ? like a Volkswagen ??

Well, life is a happy situation, no ? I think so

Yes, eating your only means of transportation isn't quite the smartest decision

bossel · 2 May 2004

Lina Inverse said:
No. You can't conclude from a few limited locations onto the entire country
As I said, there aren't any horse butchers anywhere here, and you won't find it in supermarkets or restaurants either, as it's quite unpopular here (frowned upon, as I said).

Raw pork mincemeat, called Schweinemett ("Schwein" means "pig"), is indeed quite popular here, I eat it often as well. I've never ever heard the term "Tatar", though... over here it's either "Schweinemett" for pork mincemeat or "Rindermett" for beef mincemeat (which is much less popular than pork mincemeat).

Lina, may I ask you where in Germany you live? Just curious.

You are of course right that it is not very popular, but you can find the occasional horse butcher in pretty much every German state. You only have to look for one. There should be between 100 & 200 in Germany, around a dozen in Solingen alone, where eating horse meat seems to be quite normal.

Because of this thread I had a quick look in the internet for information & found that horse meat is indeed exceptional:
Statistically every German eats 53.2 kg of pork & 14.7 kg of beef per year, but only 100 g of horse meat (in Belgium & Luxembourg it's supposed to be 2.5 kg). In Germany 4000 tons of horse meat are produced every year, for which 15,000 horses have to be butchered.

All this reading about it has renewed my appetite. I think, I will give it another try in the near future. Since I like Rheinischen Sauerbraten (Rhenish marinated beef) very much, maybe I try this made from horse meat.
Here are some horse meat recipes (sorry, only German):
Gutes vom Ross,Gutes vom Pferd, alles zum Thema Pferdefleisch

yimija · 2 May 2004

to lina inverse

well, the good part of communication is that it makes people closer... And now we have less and less matter of confrontation. I'm more than happy about this situation.

Thank you for your german lesson & dictionnary. I must say that I extremely seldom speak or write german and I totally lack of common practice. I have found german grammar "one hell of hell" Why should it be so complicaed to write and speak ? LOL... of course. But you are going to argue that, no, it's not that difficult...

as for the US meat, of course it really stinks and the quality is absolutely YEEEAAAAACH ! For the past few years I did not accept mission in north america and food was one good reason for my refusal to go there.

standards in germany should be approximatively that of switzerland and, of course, probably above the EEC recomandations. but even in this case, I would not eat pork meat without cooking it. It's a question of education & habits. but feel free to do so, of course, I will not interfere with your way of life.

as for horse meat, I can understand the "affective" reason for not eating it (just like dogs or cats). For me the problem is more simple : I dont like it because of it's taste.

I wish you a very pleasant week

yimija · 15 May 2004

some different meat

Lina Inverse said:

have you ever tried dog meat ?
and snake ?
how about frogs' legs?

aaltunn · 20 May 2004

yimija said:
have you ever tried dog meat ?
and snake ?
how about frogs' legs?

hi everybody ! i am from turkey.horse/donkey meat is strictly banned here...don't ever think of doggies. ☝
we dont generally eat frogs'legs and snails but export them
my mother's relatives used to eat hedgehog... i tried several times...
and a lobster or crab like bug in the middle anadolu was popular once(should be cooked alive;unless poisons itself)
ostriches wellcomed ...we got many farms.
at the east part of turkey people dont eat rabbits...dont even feed them
some friends say that tortoise tastes deliciouse ?? :?

i heard weird stories about some camps of street-dog camps. some so crowded and workers don't open the gates while feeding them...just throw the food over the fences.....avoiding a breakthru...
when new dogs catched they did the same thing... the other dogs thinked that FOOD came.......horrible

Lina Inverse · 20 May 2004

yimija said:
have you ever tried dog meat ?
and snake ?
how about frogs' legs?

No, and I certainly won't ever eat such gross stuff
Frog legs got outlawed sometime in the 80s over here, together with turtle soup.

yimija · 20 May 2004

food

aaltunn said:
some friends say that tortoise tastes deliciouse ?? :? :

yes they are indeed, but normally it is not allowed to export them, due to ecology & protection of the endangered species, you must eat them on the spot, wher you catch them.

Each country has it's own feeding habits, and that will come from each original traditions and possibility. Food ressources are so different from one place to another.

Budderfly · 20 May 2004

I used to own a horse and I rode for years. I wouldn't eat it. It would be like eating a cat or dog. I know some say that all animals are equal, but I've accepted that some animals are bred for food and some are bred for companions.

I've had snake before. tastes like chicken. It wasn't "in" the snake when I ate it. It was prepared quite nicely.

bossel · 21 May 2004

Lina Inverse said:
Frog legs got outlawed sometime in the 80s over here, together with turtle soup.

Not entirely true.
Sea turtle soup is outlawed, but you can get soup made from freshwater turtles (bred in farms, usually... well, allegedly).
It's forbidden to catch or breed European frogs for commercial purposes, but import (I think, some 17 tons in 2001) & sale is still allowed. Esp. SE Asian frogs have to suffer from this, so many have been caught that some species there are endangered now, too.

yimija said:
Each country has it's own feeding habits, and that will come from each original traditions and possibility. Food ressources are so different from one place to another.

So true. The only stuff I'd consider wrong to eat is from endangered species or from those with a certain self awareness (eg apes [endangered, anyway]).

michi · 21 May 2004

Eating horses doesn't bother me, but eating RAW horse meat doesn't seem too healthy...

I've eaten dog meat, which tastes like lamb. It was in a huo guo, a Chinese wok with boiling water on fire sort of thing.

yimija · 21 May 2004

food stuff...

bossel said:
Not entirely true.
Sea turtle soup is outlawed, but you can get soup made from freshwater turtles (bred in farms, usually... well, allegedly).

yeap ! but I can tell you, that turtles in a turtle soup are not that many. If you find a can of it, have a look at what's in it, that is if the canner is honest !!!

michi said:
Eating horses doesn't bother me, but eating RAW horse meat doesn't seem too healthy...

don't worry, that you'll find at your own house, if you swish to do it "the tartare way", certainly not in a restaurant.

Daniel · 28 May 2004

I've eaten raw horse meat, in Tokyo. it was alright, but not fantastic. It was, as stated by others, rather chewy, and it also seemed quite fatty. I have eaten horse before, here in Denmark where I live, but that was fried and then you get a sweet taste. The raw horsemeat was a whole other experience. I'd eat it again, but only if it was offered to me. I don't think I'll order it at restaurant, it wasn't anything special.

yimija · 28 May 2004

the can and the turtle...

yimija said:
yeap ! but I can tell you, that turtles in a turtle soup are not that many. If you find a can of it, have a look at what's in it, that is if the canner is honest !!!

Yes, I'm not worried, I know that the can is A LOT BIGGER than the turtle....

sharkfinsoup · 21 Jul 2005

my favourite foods

This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time.

I really love horse meat. I've never had chewy horse meat. It's always really tender, nice and fatty, and better than any european beef. Tomorrow I'm going to Japan again, and am looking forward for the basashi. Here in Finland its really difficult to get horse meat, although it was quite common food 50 years ago (actually most of the finnish horses - a local breed - were eaten in the 40s and 50s, because the country started to industrialize and old fashion working horses were no longer needed). Luckily horse meat is getting more and more popular again. In Sweden I've seen it in guite many supermarkets...

Raw horse meat is really good, and so are horse steaks.

Besides the horse meat, I really love whale, jellyfish (kurage in japanese), and of course shark fins! I still haven't tried turtle soup, but have heard that some places in Tokyo should serve it. Do any of the korean places in Tokyo serve dog meat? I'd really like to try it!

In Japan it's always funny to see how shocked the japanese are when I tell them that reindeer is a very common dish here on the North pole... They can only imagine reindeer pulling Santa's sleigh.

Shibuyaexpat · 21 Jul 2005

Sharkfinsoup,
Your last comment really strikes home how people are conditioned to select the types of food they eat. I guess the benefit of being at the top of the food chain allows us to be picky about what we will eat.

I'm just curious how hungry was the first person who ever tried kusaya (fermented fish) or natto (fermented soybeans)?

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