American Sushi - Good or totally messed up?

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So the first time I've ever had sushi was in third grade, at my classes little "Japanese" party, since we were studying Japan at the time. I had long read about sushi, and was dying to know what it tastes like. I expected what I've always read sushi to be. Rice, Seaweed, and fish. But no, some idiot American put AVOCADO in it! I wouldn't eat it. I just wouldn't. I hate avocado, and I swore to never eat American "sushi". But, what are your guys' thoughts on it? Why or why not do you like American sushi?
 
Well you're right that avocado as an ingredient originated in the U.S. but it's been introduced to Japan because it goes well with sushi. The average American sushi is not so good because it's made by people who aren't from Japan, have ever been to Japan or were not trained by real professionals. Anyway it's the rice that's the most important part. The fact of it containing avocado or crab or whatever is just a matter of personal taste. If you don't like avocado then don't get California roll or other rolls that contain it.

Do you dislike guacamole too?
 
Well you're right that avocado as an ingredient originated in the U.S. but it's been introduced to Japan because it goes well with sushi. The average American sushi is not so good because it's made by people who aren't from Japan, have ever been to Japan or were not trained by real professionals. Anyway it's the rice that's the most important part. The fact of it containing avocado or crab or whatever is just a matter of personal taste. If you don't like avocado then don't get California roll or other rolls that contain it.

Do you dislike guacamole too?
I hate anything to do with avocado.


Anyway, yes it is a personal taste of mine. But what really ticks me off is when people—my family in particular—say that avocado and cucumber etc. are things that have always been a part of sushi, and when i correct them, they always say "That's sashimi". DUDE ITS NOT AUUGH!!
 
Cucumber has long been used in kappamaki, which is common in sushi restaurants. I also check out the non-fish alternatives when I go to sushi restaurants, and they are increasing because of our overfishing causing the price of fish to increase. Last time I had a very nice grilled eggplant sushi. To be honest, I find such concerns about the authenticity of food a bit precious and highly partial - many Japanese restaurants regularly murder Italian food!
 
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Yeah, but the western coast of America where I live is just so close to Japan. Italy is pretty far from Japan so I expect not good Italian food there, but avocado sushi when we are so close to Japan is just an unspeakable shame to me. AND IT WAS STORE BOUGHT!
 
Probably the most common sushi in America is California Roll and avocado is a main ingredient. And avocado is all over California and the west coast. So yeah the solution is to be more careful when you pick sushi. And of course you're right that your family doesn't know anything about sashimi. :LOL:

Actually I think Italian food in Japan is much better than Italian food in America on average. My wife was shocked when she moved here and found that most people don't even know what "al dente" means even though it's often written on the pasta boxes at the grocery store. One restaurant we went to she asked to make the fettucine al dente (ie less well done) and they said they can't because it's pre-cooked. She found the whole concept of pre-cooking pasta shocking. :ROFLMAO:
 
Yeah, but the western coast of America where I live is just so close to Japan. Italy is pretty far from Japan so I expect not good Italian food there, but avocado sushi when we are so close to Japan is just an unspeakable shame to me. AND IT WAS STORE BOUGHT!
Close? It's almost 12 hours by plane from Tokyo to LA! It was possible to fly from Tokyo to Italy in that time before the airspace over Russia was closed to most airlines.
 
Didn't marco polo bring noodles (pasta) back from china?

Or is that a folktale?

And no tomatoes in italy until the new world was opened. (also potatoes, peppers, and so on...)
 
Long live California rolls and kappamaki! :giggle: Cuisine isn't something static, dogmatic, or monolithic but creative and vibrant, as evidenced by Japan's dynamic urban gastronomy. Japanese fusion brought us omurice, Chinese ramen and gyoza, Japanese curry, yakisoba, teriyaki burgers and teriyaki pizza, and Spaghetti Napolitan.

What's the correct English term for "al dente"? Chewy?

Now I'm hungry.
 
In all honesty, I've never been a huge fan of most sushi. Add to that the fact that I don't trust the sushi in the US to be fresh, so the last time I had sushi (or sashimi for that matter) was quite a while ago. On occassion I'll make onigiri as a snack or light meal. I use either umeboshi or katsuo flakes.

My take on it is that if you really want to eat as the "locals" do, go to wherever they are. Otherwise you have to learn to make it yourself. That's true no matter the cuisine at hand. You could learn to make sushi by yourself. There have to be plenty of Youtube videos, online recipes, and library books to help you get started.
 
It's just my one of biggest pet peeves is when people try to pass off any fake rip off food as the real thing, and that's what I hear from my family a lot. Like my family will tell me that I'm straight up wrong and that real sushi is made with cucumber avocado and other weird things, and that what I'm talking about is sashimi. and I know sushi is super popular, but America has westernized it so much that American sushi is unenjoyable. Like my sisters had a phase where they wanted sushi once every week, which i like tradition and Sushi is traditionally not an every week thing.
 
Growing up on the coast of Maine , it was always understood that any seafood raw had worms in it , LOL. I never did see any , but it brainwashed me into never eating sushi.
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I just don't really eat seafood in General LOL. Not a fan of cooked salmon, or shrimp or really a lot of seafood.
 
My favorite here has always been lobster meat in a big bowl of melted butter , but it can be very expensive. While stationed in Adak , Alaska , king crab fresh off the boat beat lobster by a mile. I tried frozen king crab , but it was no way as good as fresh. There used to be a company here in Maine that made Snow's fish chowder ,

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made with ingredients caught fresh , but it's no longer around.
 
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My favorite here has always been lobster meat in a big bowl of melted butter , but it can be very expensive. While stationed in Adak , Alaska , king crap fresh off the boat beat lobster by a mile. I tried frozen king crab , but it was no way as good as fresh. There used to be a company here in Maine that made Snow's fish chowder ,

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made with ingredients caught fresh , but it's no longer around.
'King crap'?
 
Another thing that I don't like about American sushi is that it even uses cooked fish, instead of raw. At least, in some places it does.
 
3 anecdotes sum up my thoughts on this:

I once had a Japanese social anthropology class that prompted us to go to a Japanese restaurant and write an essay on how authentic the experience was. Having recently been to Japan, I felt particularly well prepared for this assignment, and proceeded to point out all of the things about the American restaurant that failed to meet my standard for an "authentic" Japanese experience, from the fact that it was owned by Koreans and staffed with Mexicans to the variety of dishes on the menu and the ingredients that you'd never see in Japan. I got the paper back with a surprising amount of red marks, and the next class was all about how the illusion of authenticity and comparison blinds us to the actual authentic experience that we ARE having. No Japanese restaurant in America is authentically Japanese, no matter how well trained their chefs, or have their fish flown in fresh daily, or whether they imported ticket machines and decor from Japan. You're in America, give up on having an authentic Japanese experience here. You're paying (and tipping) in dollars, and driving to your reservation on the right side of the road. Just enjoy it for what it is.

And this brings me to the next point. I have a Japanese friend who came here to study in college and later married an American. We went to dinner once and he suggested an all-you-can-eat sushi buffet. I was surprised that he wanted to go to a restaurant that butchered his country's dish with low quality ingredients hidden behind sauces and overwhelming flavors, and what he told me has stuck with me ever since.

"American sushi... is not sushi. It's junk food, and it's great junk food. That's what America excels at." This point drove home what my teacher had been trying to show us all those years ago. We went and had a great time.

That point is that every restaurant everywhere has a duty to its patrons, to appeal to their palates, and to serve them options so that everyone can order something they want. In Japan, if you want tempura you don't go to a ramen shop or a sushi restaurant. In America, restaurants don't specialize, they try to serve something for everyone, because people bring their families and their picky friends to eat together. In Japan, you don't ask for substitutions and make special requests, you go to that restaurant BECAUSE they have been making that dish in the pursuit of perfecting their recipe. In America, the customer gets what they want. In a sense, you'll never have that "authentic Japanese" restaurant experience elsewhere, because the very nature of the service is fundamentally different, and you are not a Japanese patron who grew up with these norms. It's not a qualitative argument, it's just different.

Lastly, on another trip I was visiting a friend in Santiago, Chile, and they said "let's get sushi, I love sushi!" As we perused the menu, I noticed that EVERY. SINGLE. ROLL on their menu had cream cheese in it. Count your blessings.
 
But cream cheese goes well in sushi. I like to have an authentic Philadelphia roll on occasion. But cream cheese goes even better in sushi if you add avocado. :p

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Worst sushi I ever had was in Croatia. We didn't get sick or anything but it was just bad. Maybe an authentic experience but... not good.

Sadly it's true that our national cuisine is essentially junk food.
 
But cream cheese goes well in sushi. I like to have an authentic Philadelphia roll on occasion. But cream cheese goes even better in sushi if you add avocado. :p

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Worst sushi I ever had was in Croatia. We didn't get sick or anything but it was just bad. Maybe an authentic experience but... not good.

Sadly it's true that our national cuisine is essentially junk food.
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It's just my one of biggest pet peeves is when people try to pass off any fake rip off food as the real thing, and that's what I hear from my family a lot.
I get what you're saying, Derek, but like @nice gaijin said, the food served in a country oftentimes undergoes a nationalisation to fit palate, ingredients, etc. This isn't just sushi. It's practically impossible to get proper Chinese food where I live, it's all buffet, fried rice, and battered prawns because that's what my fellow countrymen and women consider 'Chinese food'.

Also, have you ever tried comparing the meaty monstrosities that pass as pizza in America with the authentic Italian ones? You would be very surprised. I'm sure most will say this is because American pizza isn't the same as Italian anymore, that Americans made it their own. Well, the same is true for sushi - it's just a relatively new addition to the menu so more people have opinions about it.
 
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