Afghanistan War !

[Hezam]

Hi everyone,
as you read the news,many solders have been killed lately in Afghanistan.
5 Helicopters shot down this week !
many Afghani solders killed...etc

it seems like Taliban defeated US and the Alliance especially in the summer it will be more tough for them..

Do you think the war is Absurd !
they waste many people (Solders & Civilians ) and alot of money while they can solve that by Supporting the economy instead of destroying everything including people..

People who see their country destroying will not be Grateful but if they see Development & Reconstruction projects they will belive that US came to help.

what's your opinion ?

 

[hideway]

That Afghanistan is better off without Talibans or any other fundamentalist nutjobs.

And I find it a bit of an overstatement to say that the U.S. is losing the war,the coalition keep pushing the talibans out of the major areas and cities. If they couldn't take refuge on the Pakistan's side, they would be probably already long time dead.

 

[Hezam]

i would rather say "Afghanistan will be better without Al-Qaeda not taliban"..
i was reading the news this week and it was very tough week for the US +UK army.
so what you think is the best solution ?
to move out of Afghanistan or to stay in Afghanistan and to send more solders ?

 

[Haruspex]

i would rather say "Afghanistan will be better without Al-Qaeda not taliban"..
i was reading the news this week and it was very tough week for the US +UK army.
so what you think is the best solution ?
to move out of Afghanistan or to stay in Afghanistan and to send more solders ?

They're already there, they stirred things up. To move out and abandon the country without handling the situation would be a very irresponsible step. I mean, if there wasn't enough chaos, just image what would happen if the troops moved out.

 

[Hezam]

yes it will be another chaos worse than before !
i wonder if they thought about this situation before attacking Afghanistan !

 

[Emoni]

I'm entirely against religious extremists, but when they decide to attack and kill people, that is when that "against" goes to "you die."

I was against the Iraq war completely for reasons that have been said thousands of times before. However, with Afghanistan being one of the main bases of the Taliban, the group that directly attacked and murdered US citizens, and those of other countries as well in the world, including many MANY of their "fellow Muslims," I see it as an obvious front against them.

The US has been taking some hits; however, the US military far out guns the Taliban and isn't "losing" any sort of war as far as I'm aware of.

However, this is a very superficial rundown. It is far more complicated of course than the above, and I'm open to arguments for and against numerous actions or the way that the war is being handled or actions taken by soldiers. War on any term is still war, and an awful horrible thing. However, at the same time when someone punches you in the back of the head, I'm the type who sees no moral problem with responding two fold and breaking every bone in their face.

 

[hideway]

I'm entirely against religious extremists, but when they decide to attack and kill people, that is when that "against" goes to "you die."

I was against the Iraq war completely for reasons that have been said thousands of times before. However, with Afghanistan being one of the main bases of the Taliban, the group that directly attacked and murdered US citizens, and those of other countries as well in the world, including many MANY of their "fellow Muslims," I see it as an obvious front against them.

Actually, as Hezam mentioned, there is a difference between Al Qaeda and the Talibans. The ones that performed the September 11th were Al Qaeda, not Talibans. Talibans took refuge and allowed Al Qaeda's terror training camps on their soil. The very reason of the war was to bring all that to an end.

And Hezam, I'll probably not be surprised given your record, but seems that you're really saying that Afghanistan is better with Talibans then without them. Care to enlight us on the reasons of your opinion?

 

[Hezam]

Thanks Emoni,you are right.

I'm entirely against religious extremists, but when they decide to attack and kill people, that is when that "against" goes to "you die."

yes i agree.

I was against the Iraq war completely for reasons that have been said thousands of times before. However, with Afghanistan being one of the main bases of the Taliban, the group that directly attacked and murdered US citizens, and those of other countries as well in the world, including many MANY of their "fellow Muslims," I see it as an obvious front against them.

you are right about Iraq,but for your info,Taliban is different than Al-Qaeda,they rule Afghanistan and 95% of Afghan people accepted Taliban BUT Al-Qaeda made a mistake when they attacked US and the big problem is they wennt to Afghanistan so US forced to Attack Taliban with Al-Qaeda,Talibans mistake is protecting Al-Qaeda.

at the same time when someone punches you in the back of the head, I'm the type who sees no moral problem with responding two fold and breaking every bone in their face.

Of course you have the right to do that.

Actually, as Hezam mentioned, there is a difference between Al Qaeda and the Talibans. The ones that performed the September 11th were Al Qaeda, not Talibans. Talibans took refuge and allowed Al Qaeda's terror training camps on their soil. The very reason of the war was to bring all that to an end.

Perfect answer,that what wanted to say.

And Hezam, I'll probably not be surprised given your record, but seems that you're really saying that Afghanistan is better with Talibans then without them. Care to enlight us on the reasons of your opinion?

My opinion is,I dont agree with Al-Qaeda,they made big mistakes....
Taliban Should not protect Al-Qaeda..
Arab+Islamic countries should rather support taliban by building Afghanistan instead ignoring that country for groups like Al-Qaeda,Also US+Europe should solve palestine issue BECAUSE it's The center of the conflict between the west and the middle East,Duh we have enough of this issue >_<

And the US and the Allies choose Thieves to be the Afghani Army ! And the civils hate those army who steal people everyday.
They should Negotiate with Taliban honestly and not lie at them.
America must solve the problem is palestine to remove the hate witch Filling Muslims hurts.

I am looking forward to see what President Obama will do and i am Optimistic about him.
Thanks Emoni,hidway..

 

[hideway]

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[Hezam]

maybe they threat them to say that or maybe they gave them money...

 

[hideway]

Or maybe it really happened.

:|

 

[Hezam]

yes because All governments in the world make mistakes ^^.

 

[hideway]

Recruiting children to blow themselves up hardly seems like a "mistake" to me. It is plain savagery and horrendous. Yet another reason on why these Talibans should be eradicated from the surface of earth. No one should be exposed, yet alone be ruled, by this kind of animals.

Why aren't you also mad at this Hezam? If Israel did this to Palestinians you would be all over the place claiming that they were to blame, condemn and/or insult. Instead you make those statements. Why the double standard?

 

[Hezam]

Recruiting children to blow themselves up hardly seems like a "mistake" to me. It is plain savagery and horrendous. Yet another reason on why these Talibans should be eradicated from the surface of earth. No one should be exposed, yet alone be ruled, by this kind of animals.

No one should be eradicated from the surface of earth !! everyone should respect the other,if I/he want to Imposed my point of view by forcing the other side,then both sides will fail.
i always wanted to say "Israel should be eradicated from the surface of earth" but i know it's wrong so i hold back.

Why aren't you also mad at this Hezam? If Israel did this to Palestinians you would be all over the place claiming that they were to blame, condemn and/or insult. Instead you make those statements. Why the double standard?

First,Israel has no right in palestine.
there is a differences between Afghanistan and Palestine...
I am Mad at Al-Qaeda and US & Allies,those who caused the war in Afghanistan...
US & Allies fault is Palistine & Iraq.
Al-Qaeda fault is 11 september.
the double standard is what US government & Allies do.

The problems in Afghanistan and Irag are connected to what Israel do to Palestine.

Please read about the issue in Palestine Not in israeli or western news !!!
hope you understand that one day m8.

 

[hideway]

Is AlJazeera enough "muslin" to you?
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/07/200972914236661774.html

 

[Hezam]

This news from the Pakistani media and we all know that 90% is fake.
though,Yes maybe they do it.i dont say Taliban are angels !! they are humans after all !! they do mistakes like everyone do...
But what makes me angry is this :

Why the double standard?

how can someone in your age say it ! it sounds like you dont know exactly what is happening...
the reason why people in US and Europe hate Muslims is Ignorance.

All what we need is to read about both culture,of course there are many Muslims dont know the western system and rules and people,so we really need to know both culture.
No hate,No war,No terrorism.
is it clear ?

 

[Yan]

According to me, I completly support war in Afghanistan. I'm really satisfied to see that those extremists have been kicked out. They were a theat for everyone and they were also supporting terrorist attacks against USA. Afghanistan is much better now without those dumbs.

 

[Hezam]

As i said,We dont support Al-Qaeda,you see how all Muslims around the world refused Al-Qaeda.
But Taliban is different,even if the western media fake the truth,we know that Taliban was good government but No one support them,No one care about Afghanistan....
Why dont you people open your eyes and stop depending on your media !!
the western media owners are jewish,watch the eastern media like Japanese media or Chinese,South America media..etc.
I assure you that Taliban will not defeated this way,the power won't work with them..
i am not telling you that because i like them,No i want you to understand the setuation in Afghanistan,Why should people lose their sons,fathers,brothers (Solders ) while they have another choice ?

Try to learn from what happend to Russian there !

 

[Mycernius]

The Taliban were, are, and never will be a good government. They rely on terror and religious idealism taken to the extremes to keep the population under control. Although many islamic countries are not known for their human rights records, especially towards women, and your own country is amoung them Hezam, they all were idyllic places of sun compared to Afghanistan under the Taliban. Thet were and are a corrupt, intolerant, hypocritical bunch of power mad men who dragged that country back to the virtual stone age just to feather their own nests. They are about as Islamic in thought and nature as a rabid dog.

 

[Hezam]

Before you talk about human rights can you tell me what is terrorism ?

especially towards women

What if the women accept the Islamic Rules ?
why do you want to force people to Apply the western laws ? people are free to live as they want.
See in France the government Prevent Hijab !! who is against the human rights ?
No one will listen to you if you dont listen to him.

They rely on terror and religious idealism taken to the extremes to keep the population under control.

the same goes to your country and US,see how many people killed by US & Alleis...
the Power is not the only choice ! it's the last choice.

If my country kill people i won't justify that acts,we stand against Al-Qaeda but the united states & Allies sided with israel,and they still support the israeli terrorism for 60 years !!
How can Arab/Muslims listen to the west after all this Lies ?
Do you agree with me ? or do you understand how we feel ?

duh! it's very irritating >_<

 

[hideway]

It is irritating indeed, but that is because you seem to think that there is a world-wide jewish conspiracy against the Arab world, and where Jews control everything on the backstage in order to make us, westerns, their sheep. What you seem to ignore is that premise is wrong, there is no world-wide conspiracy.

That type of speech have been around for centuries really, having it's peak during the nazi germany. Jews controlled everything, they were evil, they leeched the world for their own objectives, and therefor they should be killed, expelled and/or hated. All this thing you seem to have against the Jews is not new. It's merely imported from western beliefs some people had and continue to have.

I fully understand that, given your environment, you will not accept what I'm saying. And dismiss your words as not being pure antisemitism or full of hate. I reckon that they are probably widely accepted as truth around you.

The truth, or at least the view of most westerns that I know, is that this is not a matter of us against you. It is a matter of basic rights. As one in our culture believes that human live is to be sacred, that all people should be free from tyranny, including women and that every individual is due to his opinion and free will. It is only normal that westerns dismiss Talibans as a hateful bunch of evil people who torture and oppress their own citizens. This is considered by me as unacceptable.

The big majority of westerns, especially in Portugal where I live, don't have anything against muslins or Arabs. And I, somehow, get the feeling that we're more close to Arabs than to Asians for example, probably due to our common past, as we were arabs for about 300 years.

The point, before I lose myself again, is that one should always be open for understanding the other side. That is the key to final peace.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

See in France the government Prevent Hijab !! who is against the human rights ?

To say that the French government prevent hijab is misleading. The French government haven't imposed a hijab ban as such. They banned the wearing of religious symbols in state schools. Muslims can't wear the hijab, Christians can't wear crosses, Jews can't wear skullcaps and Wiccans can't wear pentacles.

I'm also opposed to this law, as I don't think it's any different from the situation in, for example, Saudi Arabia, where the wearing of hijab is enforced by law.

 

[Hezam]

hideway,very well said,i didnt expect it.

you seem to think that there is a world-wide jewish conspiracy against the Arab world

Not Arab but All the non-jewish,as you see the big companies in the west are for jewish ( Zionist-Mason ) and they owned many companies in japan now.

That type of speech have been around for centuries really, having it's peak during the nazi germany. Jews controlled everything, they were evil, they leeched the world for their own objectives, and therefor they should be killed

This is european problem with the jewish,our problem with the jewish is the fake country call ( Israel ).

All this thing you seem to have against the Jews is not new. It's merely imported from western beliefs some people had and continue to have.

No,We hate them because they killed and kill many Arabs in Palestine and it's very clear reason.

I fully understand that, given your environment, you will not accept what I'm saying. And dismiss your words as not being pure antisemitism or full of hate. I reckon that they are probably widely accepted as truth around you.

Actually i understand it,i agree with you though,why should i lie to my self if i understand the truth ?!
something else,we are not antisemitism,read the history between jewish and Muslims....i said that many times ><

is that this is not a matter of us against you. It is a matter of basic rights. As one in our culture believes that human live is to be sacred, that all people should be free from tyranny, including women and that every individual is due to his opinion and free will

i agree with this points,but you have to know that this won't work on all cultures.

The big majority of westerns, especially in Portugal where I live, don't have anything against muslins or Arabs. And I, somehow, get the feeling that we're more close to Arabs than to Asians for example, probably due to our common past, as we were arabs for about 300 years.

I am glad to hear that,correctly it was arabic for 800 years.

The point, before I lose myself again, is that one should always be open for understanding the other side. That is the key to final peace.

Yes,this is what all people need,i will be happy to answer and discuss anything without aguement ^^

Thanks ^^

Tsuyoiko-chan,this is against human rights,isn't it ?

Afghani people is not like Americans or any other poeple,so it's too hard to force them to follow these laws.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Tsuyoiko-chan,this is against human rights,isn't it ?

Yes, the law banning religious symbols in French schools is against Human Rights, just as the law requiring women to wear the hijab in Saudi Arabia is against Human Rights. However, I consider it to be a relatively minor breach of Human Rights, compared to some of the laws that exist in Saudi Arabia.

 

[Hezam]

That's true.good point Tsuyoiko ^^