About "による" (according to)

according to my grammar book( oh well, no pun intended)

ni yoru means "according to" (something)

and you can find it in 2 ways :

によると and によれば , i'm wondering what are the differences between them, since my book offer two example sentences that translate it in such a way that its pretty hard to figure out:

"天気予報によれば、明日は晴れるらしい" according to the weather forecast, it seems tomorrow will be sunny
and
"さっきの地震はテレビの速報によると震度3だそうだ" according to the news flash on TV, the "recent" earthquake had a magnitude level of 3

what is so different about them? or how am i supposed to know when to use them (if these translations are correct of course)


注意してありがとうございましたみんな

Kraise said:

according to my grammar book( oh well, no pun intended)
ni yoru means "according to" (something)
and you can find it in 2 ways :
によると and によれば , i'm wondering what are the differences between them, since my book offer two example sentences that translate it in such a way that its pretty hard to figure out:
"天気予報によれば、明日は晴れるらしい" according to the weather forecast, it seems tomorrow will be sunny
and
"さっきの地震はテレビの速報によると震度3だそうだ" according to the news flash on TV, the "recent" earthquake had a magnitude level of 3
what is so different about them?or how am i supposed to know when to use them (if these translations are correct of course)

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The difference is pretty subtle but ～～によれば would usually imply a lower degree of trust for the info source than when ～～によると is used.

注意してありがとうございましたみんな

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This makes little sense. Only Japanese-learners say ～～してありがとう; Native speakewrs NEVER say it. Also, you CANNOT just place みんな at the end of a sentence like that.

Even though you answered my main question fairly well, your note about my "thank you" expression was much more appreciated, Thanks again
It was a literal translation from portuguese(. My main language) to jp, and it didnt happen work well

Arigatou gozaimashita

masaegu said:

Only Japanese-learners say ～～してありがとう; Native speakewrs NEVER say it.

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This brings up a good question; why do Japanese-learners learn this construction then? It's beginning to bother me quite a bit that we're taught to do things that native speakers apparently NEVER do. I understand that there will be some errors introduced by way of a speaker not knowing how to construct something in Japanese and so they apply their native language's rules, but what about those phrases/constructs that are taught even though they are apparently wrong?

For example, I was explicitly taught the ～してありがとう construction in my college courses which were taught by native Japanese speakers, from books written by native Japanese speakers.

I certainly picked up ~てありがとう by copying a native speaker, although it wasn't a してありがとう expression. (おしえてくれてありがとう probably.)
I have noticed that 何々くれてありがとう is prevalent, but there are てありがとう expressions written by natives with normal verbs rather than humble or receiving verbs. I'm not sure how a learner is supposed to know that there's a line that must not be crossed between those verbs and して. Until this thread I pretty much assumed (to the extent that I thought about it at all) that ～てありがとう was valid even for ～してありがとう and ～てくれてありがとう was a more polite version of the same.