FinancialWar
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So 茶室 is traditional tea house and 茶屋 is gay tea house?
茶屋 = Gay quarters?
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So 茶室 is traditional tea house and 茶屋 is gay tea house?
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Tea house - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As in the wiki page I quoted above, お茶屋 is usually used for this meaning.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/お茶屋
(all in Japanese)
Am I the only one that feels you are probably thinking of the "wrong" meaning of "gay"?
That word's original meaning has nothing to do homosexuality.
FinancialWar
Sempai
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I'm sorry but what other meaning can "gay quarters" mean? "happy land"?
It is very possible..I don't see any JP dictionaries (such as 国語・英和・和英・類語・中国語辞書検索 - goo辞書) listing it as a place for gay sex..and would it really surprise you if a Japanese-English dictionary didn't have the most natural ways of saying things in English? For all we know the information the dictionary is based on could have been aggregated from much older dictionaries.
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According to these definitions,
｢ちゃ‐や【茶屋】｣ の意味とは - Yahoo!辞書
３ 江戸時代、上方の遊里で、客に芸者・遊女を呼んで遊ばせ た家。揚屋(あげや)より格が低かった。
４ 江戸時代、江戸新吉原で、客を遊女屋などに案内することを業とした 家。引手茶屋。
the 茶屋 were in the Edo period houses that introduced people to Geisha or prostitutes, or business that provided guidance to reach a brothel, etc, which is similar to something mentioned earlier.
Now, I'm not entirely familiar with older uses of 'gay' but the word has only meant 'homosexual' for a few decades. It seems likely and logical that 'the gay quarters' in the earlier part of the century could have referred to either or both of an area with an active nightlife (similar to 'gay paris', always prounced 'gay pah-ree' in that phrase of course), or without much of a stretch from there, to refer to the red light (brothel) district. I rather think that in many cases there's quite a bit of overlap anyway.
Take note of this from dictionary.com, which doesn't specifically address 'gay quarters' as a phrase, but supports this interpretation:
Gay | Define Gay at Dictionary.com
Usage note
In addition to its original and continuing senses of "merry, lively" and "bright or showy," gay has had various senses dealing with sexual conduct since the 17th century. A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer, a gay house a brothel. This sexual world included homosexuals too, and gay as an adjective meaning "homosexual" may go back to the late 1930s
｢ちゃ‐や【茶屋】｣ の意味とは - Yahoo!辞書
３ 江戸時代、上方の遊里で、客に芸者・遊女を呼んで遊ばせ た家。揚屋(あげや)より格が低かった。
４ 江戸時代、江戸新吉原で、客を遊女屋などに案内することを業とした 家。引手茶屋。
the 茶屋 were in the Edo period houses that introduced people to Geisha or prostitutes, or business that provided guidance to reach a brothel, etc, which is similar to something mentioned earlier.
Now, I'm not entirely familiar with older uses of 'gay' but the word has only meant 'homosexual' for a few decades. It seems likely and logical that 'the gay quarters' in the earlier part of the century could have referred to either or both of an area with an active nightlife (similar to 'gay paris', always prounced 'gay pah-ree' in that phrase of course), or without much of a stretch from there, to refer to the red light (brothel) district. I rather think that in many cases there's quite a bit of overlap anyway.
Take note of this from dictionary.com, which doesn't specifically address 'gay quarters' as a phrase, but supports this interpretation:
Gay | Define Gay at Dictionary.com
Usage note
In addition to its original and continuing senses of "merry, lively" and "bright or showy," gay has had various senses dealing with sexual conduct since the 17th century. A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer, a gay house a brothel. This sexual world included homosexuals too, and gay as an adjective meaning "homosexual" may go back to the late 1930s
