These are the two dialects I've heard, through the sister of a friend, are spoken in Iwate ken:
Iwate Hougen and Iwate-Minami Hougen.
I live in northern Miyagi (about 10-15 minutes south of Iwate by car), so this is also miyagi ben and thus might fall under the second of elizabeth's categories. Anyway, I've heard its also Iwate ben.
しばれる=寒い
赤色:アクセント位置
カタカナ:鼻濁音
This reminds me of a post I made a couple of years back.
Gurauki Is there a reason as why you want to research 岩手弁?
So its definitely not a separate n sound, just a nasally connection between the two.
I have read that the nasalisation is mainly a characteristic of Eastern (i.e. Tokyo) Japanese, and that anyone who wants to be a newscaster for the big networks has to talk that way. I find it a mite bit irritating myself.
Wait, you already speak Japanese at a quite high level but want to cultivate an accent to separate you from anime people? Seems a bit excessive...
Also, perhaps people might be put off by the fact that you use an accent from an area you never even lived in, just for the sake of, for lack of a better word, sounding cool?
As long as you didn't in fact learn all your Japanese from a manga, why would you sound like it?
Just sounds to me a bit insincere, when you could accomplish the same thing just by talking about interesting things...ie developing interesting content in your speech that makes it clear you're not just here for the manga, rather than developing an accent from a place you've never lived.
Also, if Wapanese annoys you, it seems like Japanese, which does the exact opposite only with English expression, should drive you crazy...
Did you even read my last response to you in your abandoned Miyazaki-ben thread?
It's still at a rather low level from the bits and pieces that I've been able to glean here. Which is, of course, completely natural from a student at the end of their first year. I'm not knocking anyone's efforts, but just to ensure we're all interpreting the same situation...Wait, you already speak Japanese at a quite high level but want to cultivate an accent to separate you from anime people?
Gurauki, have you ever even BEEN to provincial Japan ??? (or anywhere in the country for that matter....) The only foreigners local natives are only going to appreciate learning their accent are those who are planning to live/work in the area or perhaps are linguists interested in scientific study. And even that is hardly guaranteed.Seems a bit excessive...Also, perhaps people might be put off by the fact that you use an accent from an area you never even lived in, just for the sake of, for lack of a better word, sounding cool?
Speaking with words from that local will not ensure you loose your "American accent" any faster.Another problem, is that it's easier to speak what is natural to the speaker, so if i worry about standard japanese first, it'd be rather difficult picking up a dialect (especially accent) later on. So, to get rid of my american accent when speaking japanese, it's important to pick up a distinct one as soon as possible
gurauki said:So, to get rid of my american accent when speaking japanese, it's important to pick up a distinct one as soon as possible.
It's still at a rather low level from the bits and pieces that I've been able to glean here.
But most importantly, who wouldn't be suspicious and hostile of their beautiful, unique language being experimented with by a foreigner only interested in losing an accent and proving in some very idealized way their fidelity to traditional Japanese culture ? The whole idea behind picking a dialect arbitrarily because there is more documentation of it on the Internet is insulting and I have no doubt completely incomprehensible from the standpoint of the people you profess to respect so highly.
Speaking with words from that local will not ensure you loose your "American accent" any faster.
We all know that the accent of standard Japanese is indistinguishable from the accent of American English. Seriously, you come up with such naive tommyrot that I can't think of a way to take it apart and straighten you out on it without coming across as viciously cruel.....which is all that has kept me from doing it.
And, like Elizabeth, I am extremely loath to say anything which seems critical of another person's best efforts with whatever language they're learning....but suffice it to say that when I suggested that instead of this odd idea you have regarding picking up a dialect you should give thought to concentrating on standard Japanese I was doing my darnedest to be gentle.
Another common reason to wish to put on the affectation of a regional dialect is to cover up one's deficiencies in the presence of students who put effort into standard Japanese.
People are probably mistaking you for an otaku because you are speaking shoddy Japanese with an American accent. To the best of my knowledge, anime fans are not known for speaking standard Japanese; they are mostly known for speaking bad Japanese.
Of course this is all moot anyway. Unless you can find an extensive collection of Iwate-ben audio and/or a conversation partner who speaks that dialect, there is no way that you will acquire the accent of that dialect. It's impossible. You can't learn an accent by reading web pages.
So stick to standard Japanese and if someday you find yourself living in some regional area of Japan, I hope you enjoy picking up the local dialect. I must admit, it is a bit fun.
Are you a native? I was always told (and noticed on my own) that natives typically don't say such things like that. And only a native would be able to determine my ability, so, by rating me as a non-native, you are becomming a hypocrite for trying to be something you're not, which is what you're accusing me of doing.
Personally, if some one sat a cup of dirty water infront of me i would say, "それを飲みたい!?駄目な~!行ってくれ!又、あんたの水欲しくないな!"
I have less than a week before i'll no longer have time to pick it up. Though i will say it was a bit unrealistic of me to try to pick up the accent itself in less than a month.
It is ? Care to elaborate or offer any evidence in support ? Even imagining it in American terms, do you also hear in a standard "Midwestern accent" features of southern, New York, other Midwestern regions, California-girl talk etc...? Local speech patterns (accents, dialects) are all unique precisely because they have developed independently.Standard japanese is a mixture of all the accents. Making it difficult to pick up one from it.
Try putting yourself in the position of a Japanese national with a poor command of English coming to New York or New England and fresh off the plane trying to "lose their accent" by speaking with a distorted exaggeration of what they hear as a regional "accent". Gliding certain vowels, making others broader ("car" as "core" or "girl" as "goil") etc. It would either be laughed out of the room or taken as an extremely offensive caricatured statement on the local population.That is a matter of opinion. Unless japanese get offended easily, i can't see why they'd be bothered. I would imagin they would have more respect for some one who's trying to learn one.
As native-speaking Japanese, I wholeheartedly support "every word" Mike, Elizabeth and JimmySeal have advised you here.Are you a native? I was always told (and noticed on my own) that natives typically don't say such things like that. And only a native would be able to determine my ability, so, by rating me as a non-native, you are becomming a hypocrite for trying to be something you're not, which is what you're accusing me of doing.
I can also spot that you're ostentatious and are impervious to good advice, so best of luck with your endeavors.
I'm no native.
Interestingly, it was for the purpose of deluding people. At least you're internally consistent. Gotta give you that.
It is ? Care to elaborate or offer any evidence in support ? Even imagining it in American terms, do you also hear in a standard "Midwestern accent" features of southern, New York, other Midwestern regions, California-girl talk etc...? Local speech patterns (accents, dialects) are all unique precisely because they have developed independently.
Try putting yourself in the position of a Japanese national with a poor command of English coming to New York or New England and fresh off the plane trying to "lose their accent" by speaking with a distorted exaggeration of what they hear as a regional "accent". Gliding certain vowels, making others broader ("car" as "core" or "girl" as "goil") etc. It would either be laughed out of the room or taken as an extremely offensive caricatured statement on the local population.
Substitute dialect for accent, multiply the attitudes/sensitivities of the people by several orders of magnitude and it'll at least start to give you some idea of what you're dealing with. It's difficult enough as a beginner to find someone to practice with in Tokyo without constantly being reverted to English.
And don't underestimate MikeCash, he possesses a sense of humility (a virtue from the traditional Japanese perspective) about his mastery of the Japanese language, which I am convinced is superb.
They didn't make words appear out of no-where for standard, therefor it has to be a mix of the dialects. Previous of it's existance, they all spoke seperate dialects of the same language. To make a standard of that same language from scratch, they have to use what they already have.
Yes, specifically I believe the "Yamanote/standard" began to be adopted formally after the 明治維新, meiji ishin) (1868) for purposes of unifying the country and communications from central Tokyo outward to the various provinces.You need to know that the "standard" Japanese is NOT a mixture of many dialects. What we call standard Japanese today is based on ONE dialect - the language spoken in Yamanote area of Tokyo.
I completely agree on this point as well.I'm not sure what exactly "American accent" can be when speaking Japanese, but guess it could be stressing too strongly (like English) while Japanese has only pitch accent, or applying wrong pitch accento to words/phrases, or pronouncing some particular vowels differently (like saying "kariokee" for "karaoke") - in any case, I don't thinkn trying picking up words and pitch accents from other dialect would help to eliminate it.