コンピュータ用ゲームだ", but ... "ゲームはコンピュータ用の

DwarVader

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I am trying to wrap myself around this:

I could say:
Half-Lifeはコンピュータ用ゲームだ。
...or...
これはコンピュータ用ゲームだ。

But if I have to make "ゲーム" the topic/subject, then how do I go about it?
Is this correct?
このゲームはコンピュータ用のだ。
(I realize I could just say "...wa kompyuuta you geemu da" but I would like to avoid repetition today)

Bonus question: I have noticed so far that 用 is used to show which platform the software is made for... That is so, right?
Can/should I use X用のゲーム, or should I say X用ゲーム? What is the difference? I've seen both used.

Thanks!

 

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"コンピュータ用ゲームだ", but ... "ゲームはコンピュータ用の"?

Usually パソコン is used instead of コンピューター.

このゲームはパソコン用のものだ。

If you want to stress the compatible bit, it can be

このゲームソフトはパソコンと互換性がある。

Better to put の after 用。sounds more natural in speech. Can be left out in written Japanese but written Japanese can leave out many particles.

 

Toritoribe

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パソコン用だ / PC用だ is another option.
When the game is reliesed for many platforms, 版[ban], meaning "edition", also can be used (e.g. PC版, ニンテンドー3DS版, PlayStation版, etc).

 

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Morphling

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Just to add to that, 版 means version. PC版. PC version.

 

DwarfVader

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Thank you for all your feedback, it is certainly of great use to me.

Just one question
In [このゲームはパソコン用のものだ], もの and の aren't interchangeable, are they? If we dropped the first の (after 用) snd changed もの for の... I am not insisting of course. Just trying to dig into it and understand. Are mono and no usually interchangeable (at least is some situations) at all?

Thanks.

PS: New account, since I have accidentally registered the previous one with a wrong nickname. Silly me.

 

Glenn

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In some cases they are, but with different nuances, and in some cases they aren't. The の after 用 here is the genitive particle, which expresses possession, and is not interchangeable with もの. The の you're thinking of is the indefinite pronoun version, like 高いのが好きだ or 大きいのをください. In that case, もの can be used.

 

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Or you could say

このゲームはPC専用のゲームです or you could make it even simpler and say
このゲームはPCゲームです

 

DwarfVader

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Glenn said:

The の after 用 here is the genitive particle, which expresses possession

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I take it you are referring to this one: このゲームはパソコン用のものだ。 ? If so, then here is what I meant:

このゲームはパソコン用のものだ。 → このゲームはパソコン用ののだ。
But since you wouldn't say のの (even if you can), let's do it like this:
Morphling said the first の can be omitted in written speech:
このゲームはパソコン用のものだ → このゲームはパソコン用ものだ。So let's change the もの to の again:
↓
このゲームはパソコン用のだ。

Plausible? Weird but possible? Not correct at all?

Sorry if this seems really stupid from your perspective...
However, thanks. Thanks a lot!

 

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Toritoribe

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の performs as のもの, thus, it must be パソコン用のだ or パソコン用のものだ. パソコン用ののだ and パソコン用ものだ are both wrong. (Unlike a general noun ゲーム, ～用 can't be directly attatched to pronouns もの or こと. の is always necessary.)

 

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Toritoribe said:

の performs as のもの, thus, it must be パソコン用のだ or パソコン用のものだ. パソコン用ののだ and パソコン用ものだ are both wrong. (Unlike a general noun ゲーム, ～用 can't be attatched to pronouns もの or こと directly without の.)

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Thank you. I do seem to get it, too! So thanks again.