Anyway, whichever, even if, both, also called, rather, certainly ．．みたいな感じだと「とも」といいますが「を も」は使いませんね。I have been seeing these pop up in sentences. Is this a way of saying [and also]?
I am not sure about をも I figure も is capable of marking the direct object as an inclusion.
Yes, it's common usage, though more often found in written Japanese.Best definition I can see for とも is "As well as".
I swear I saw someone use をも on here.
Well, you learn something new all the time....thanks Epigene !Best definition I can see for とも is "As well as".
I swear I saw someone use をも on here.
Is the 'no matter/whatever (whichever, whoever...) may /even though' reading easy to spot if it's always after the volitional form of the verb, I wonder ?So, I am checking up on とも
and My 文法辞書 shows:
このプロジェクトは遅くとも来年の四月には完了するだろう。
But that's it. Onlu uses とも for "no matter/ at ~ est." as usages.
A bit confusing.
It seems that several different words were all mixed up here.
I can imagine how confusing it could be... it is confusing for me too, when trynig to explain differences..
(1) とも
- even if, no matter what, even though
何を言おうとも無駄だ。
何が起ころうともこの事実は変わらない。
- approximate degreeof time, volume, etc.
遅くとも明日には到着するだろう。
早くとも２日後になるだろう。
You can replace this とも by ても.
(2) と＋も (meaning also, too, as well)
The phrase/sentence still makes sense when you knock off も (which is impossible for the above (1) とも).
知子とうまくやっていきたい。 I want to get along with Tomoko.
知子ともうまくやっていきたい。 I want to get along with Tomoko, too. (as well as with others.)
この花は天人唐草と呼ばれる。 THis flower is called Ten'nin-karakusa.
この花は天人唐草とも呼ばれる。 THis flower is also called Ten'nin-karakusa. (It has another name or two.)
僕の意見は君と違っている。 My opinion is different from yours.
僕の意見は君とも違っている。 My opinion is different from yours (besides being different from others.)
(3) と＋も (strengthen negation, accompanied with negative word such as ない)
なんとも言えない cannot word it (in any way/style).
誰とも遊ばない He won't play with anyone.
In case of (2) and (3), the link of と and も is just coincidence. と could be any other particle.
This tomo is definately one word.Yeah the Dictionary explains this too with ても as possiblr substitute.
So that was confusing me, The とも I was originally talking about is not one word but 2 particles.
Now it makes a bit better sense. And it seems the 3rd installment here is えeasier to recognize with negative words.
Thanks everyone.
This tomo is definetely one word.
共 【きょう; とも】(1) both; all; and; as well as; including; with; together with; (2) (きょう only) (abbr) communism; (3) (とも only) neither (with negative verb)
It also doesn't always show with a kanji display + に but I think in hiragana at least this is the same とも (usually meaning "both" ?) nhk9 mentioned earlier.I don't think the とも Damicci is talking about is written in kanji.
It is always written in kana.
The kanji 共 in the (1) meaning is used such as 共に, which is similar to 一緒に.
"to mo" is usually used with nouns, with the meaning of "both", or "all". ie. "futari tomo". E.g. "futari tomo nihonjin desu" "both are Japanese".
日本語はあいまいとも話せるしはっきりとも話せるといえるでしょう。
そうそれ！Your saying (One can say Japanese can be clearly spoken as well as unclearly spoken.) Is that right?
そうですね。いろいろ使い方がありますね。I also found tomo used to emphasize affirmation
はい、もちろんですとも ~Yes, of course.
できますとも ~of course, (you) can.
etc