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1. Bの最終部分、「ものね」でもよいが、「ものね」は女あ ォ的。

Translation given: "In place of 'kara ne' [at the end of B's statement], a female speaker can use the feminine 'mono ne'."

Would も work here in place of でも? Would there be any difference in meaning?


2. In the expression 他の~, is 他 always read た, or is ほか also possible? Is there any difference?


3. BからAに移る場合、ちょっとポーズをおいて、話の内容が変わったことをはっきりさせる 必要がある。

Translation given: "After you say Basic Model A sentences, pause briefly before Basic Model B to show that the subject of the conversation is changing slightly."

I am a little unclear why させる is used here and not する. Would する also work?


4. その仕事は十分骨折ってするだけの価値がある。

Translation given: "The work is well worth the trouble."

What is the purpose of だけ in this sentence?


5. 彼女はレディーと呼ぶにふさわしい人だ。

Translation given: "She is a very correct lady."

I can't figure out how this sentence works, especially the role of に in connecting the parts. What does the Japanese literally mean?
 
1)
In the form ~でもよいが/悪くないが, ~でも more emphasizes the negative tone (It's also good to use ものね but ものね sounds feminine.) than ~も.

2)
Both た and ほか are possible. The meanings are the same, but the readings are not always interchangeable due to collocation.

3)
subject(= the speaker of the sentence) が object(= the clause "the subject of the conversation is changing slightly") をはっきりさせる
subject(= the clause "the subject of the conversation is changing slightly") がはっきりする

4)
②多く「…だけあって」「…だけのことはある」「…だけに」の形で、素質・能力・価値が相応に発揮される意を表す。「横綱―あって強い」「苦労した―のことはある」
だけ - goo辞書

The work is enough worth to 十分骨を折る.

5)
That's a bit classical way of saying 呼ぶのにふさわしい/呼ぶことにふさわしい. The particle に indicates the reference point.

She is the right person to be called 'Lady'.
(More literally, "the right person we call 'Lady'")
 
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Thank you.

3. I was originally thinking that in this case はっきりする meant "to make clear", but now I'm wondering if it must mean "to be clear". Is the following correct?

A) 話の内容が変わったことはっきりする = change of subject is clear
B) 話の内容が変わったことはっきりさせる = speaker causes the change of subject to become clear (i.e. causes (A) to happen)

4. Would it be possible for you to provide a couple more very simple sentences, with English translations, illustrating this use of だけ?
 
3)
That's right. "はっきりさせる - はっきりする" performs like a "transitive - intransitive" pair. ~をはっきりする could be barely acceptable, but the following serch results seem to show a significant difference to me.

google search
をはっきりする 約 699,000 件
をはっきりさせる 約 3,500,000 件

seach in a corpus
をはっきりする 5 件
をはっきりさせる 242 件

4)
横綱だけあって強い。
As might be expected from the title Grand Chanpion, he is really strong.

彼は合格したそうだ。あんなに勉強しただけのことはあ る。
I heard he passed the exam. It(= passing the exam) is enough worth his hard work in study.

窶敕樞?堙債坂?。ナ?i窶堋オ窶堋ス窶堋サ窶堋、窶堋セツ。窶堋?窶堙ア窶堙遺?堙俄?「テ冷?ケツュ窶堋オ窶堋ス窶堋セ窶堋ッ窶堙娯?堋ア窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ゥツ。
I heard he passed the exam. It(= passing the exam) is enough worth his hard work in study.
 
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