gaijiN5; a game to teach Japanese by immersion, Mnemonics, SRS & more

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Hey everybody!
I'm currently working on a game called gaijiN5 that you might be interested in! It's a Visual MUD game to teach Japanese by immersion using various memory and psychology tricks to make it stick.
It's currently in its kickstarter phase right now, but funding is vital to setting up a team rather than making it a one-man show(which I'll still do if I have to cause I think the idea is great). I was hesitant on evangelising to forums as I see a lot of subpar projects do, but I can't think of any better way to get the word out about it(I'd love to hear suggestions).
Also, I figure by reaching out, I can answer any questions you have in your own environment!

I'm sure when it is completed you will find it to be a very efficient and fast way of learning!
If you want to know more about the game, you can check it out at gaijin5.com.
 
Anki and shared decks are free for everything from N5 to N1 and beyond.

Anki will offer more features and organisational power than your ghost and can be synced with mobile phones.

Student can easily download a massive shared deck and unsuspend words as he encounter in his study, achieving the same goal.

I wouldn't want to use your product to replace Anki even if you paid me. Charge a subscription fee for inferior product disguised in comic, I hope you ain't serious.
 
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I don't think what you're doing is a scam, but it's really unprofessional, especially for the money you're asking. I have to assume you know the people who've pledged so far.

For example, the word 'gaijin' has become more and more of a slur against foreigners, so I don't know why it would be appropriate for a business (Gaijinpot notwithstanding, I don't know that they would choose the name today, and their podcast was titled Gpod, not Gaijinpod).

For another, this is not correct Japanese (to my JSL eyes, a Japanese native can feel free to correct me if they feel this is correct Japanese):
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How can a JSL business be taken seriously if they haven't mastered basic Japanese?

For another, you claim Chinese and Japanese characters are the same. They aren't. They also can't be called an alphabet since they aren't based on phonetics.
The other thing I love about it is that it shares an alphabet with Chinese which is the most spoken language in the world. So although I don't know how to say anything in Chinese I can still understand a headline on a newspaper!

Can you really understand a Chinese headline? It's possible, but Chinese characters were changed decades ago in mainland China (80% of users? I don't know the exact figure), and Japanese haven't kept their meanings up to date with China, so while the fundamentals are there (so a menu is pretty safe to understand), I think this is a specious claim.

There's other stuff that drew a red flag, but you're not paying me, so I'm not going to point out anything else.

Good luck on your Kickstarter. It's great that you want to be self-sufficient, but make sure you have a good foundation first.
 
Self-sufficient at the expense of some ignorant Japanese beginner? There are many people working tiredlessly to bring SRS program free to everyone. And there people like this guy trying to make quick money off SRS. I don't think you going to find any support on the Internet, people on the Internet forum are usually pretty tech savvy, trying this on koohii and see what happens.

Also, you want to get a hair cut, at least try to look convincing and professional in the video. Hippy look made me suspicious from the get go.
 
if this Kickstarter proposal is too long for you to read, a game with many many hours of gameplay probably wouldn't suit you.

help my eyes have just rolled out of my head and I can't find them. Brevity is not a sin, people! If I can't find a summary of the important information within the first three paragraphs, I will stop giving a damn and go off to play games instead.

So, how do you plan to "limit to N5" when there's no such thing as a specification for N5 anymore? Are you going to do what everyone else does and annoy me by just using the old 4級 lists and ignoring the entire reason that there aren't any specifications for the new JLPT levels?
 
Hey all! I really appreciate that you've taken the time to give me your feedback and concerns. I was really hesitant to post to forums but I'm very thankful I did as it has opened up the line of communication I was missing.

So first I'd like to express that as awesome as Anki is, the only thing that gaijiN5 has in common with it is that they both use a SRS. Though Anki is the most popular in the SRS field, it is not alone, not the first and isn't without its flaws. Other SRS like WaniKani, Memrise, or SuperMemo(which is at least a decade older than Anki) are based of the system proposed by Mace in the early 30s and applied by Pimsleur and Leithner in the 60s and 70s.

Other than the fact that Anki is not a game(though the AnkiEmperor addon gamafies it a little) and not very fun, I was not a fan of the X cards/day system which takes a fair amount of motivation to stick to and can quickly get overwhelming if you miss a day or two. gaijin5 uses the 5 minute timer and gauge system that is incorporated on old MUDs and Facebook games, not only as the addiction mechanic to keep people saturated but also to evenly space the game for people. As per a line that FinancialWar edited out, this is in no way related to or using Anki source code and is not a scam, as a programmer I can assure you that concept of an SRS isn't that hard implement(and as someone who's made an addon or two for Anki, I know that navigating their code is awkward as hell).

Anyways SRS is only an afterthought compared to the immersion click system, multiplayer and card game. I've never seen something like this attempted in another game or language learning application. The fact that you are not only surrounded by Japanese but also having to type in to navigate and communicate is pretty cool. Please show me the setting in Anki where I can talk to an NPC about their family or the weather, ask for directions or the price of something. How do the free decks(which gaijiN5 cards have more info than) teach about Japanese culture, history, currency or geography(actually AnkiEmperor does this last one, awesome addon). I hope that was enough to convince you this isn't Anki. If anything, it is language learning disguised as a MUD disguised as a Visual Novel.

As far as charging goes, this is largely to be able to get a team to make the best possible experience for as you said why should you help if I'm not paying you. Also, it is to help seed the rest of the series. But you'd be glad to know in a couple years(2018 at the latest if my Kickstarter passes and I don't have to do this part time as I've been doing) gaijiN5 will be free to play!

And no, even if any individual foreigner might not like being called a foreigner the word gaijin is not an offensive term, this is a common misconception much like people assuming hentai directly translates to pervert(it is more like odd or weird). If you don't believe that, just Google the term 'is gaijin offensive?' Anyways, it is a more commonly known word by foreigners and has a much better ring to it than gaikokujiN5, and it's not like I could use amerikajiN5 or hakujiN5 as I strongly doubt that my entire client base is entirely American or even Caucasian. Honestly, I thought it was a clever word play.

You are completely right about Japanese and Chinese not being the same which also goes for pronunciation, which is why I can't speak Chinese. But as kanji is derived from the Chinese alphabet(several dynasties worth) it still retains a lot of the same meaning. So I assure you, I can understand the gist of a Chinese headline(not the article) which you'll be able to do also with more kanji under your belt.

Out of curiosity, what did you find wrong with the sentence in question? Either way, I'm not infallible which is why one of the stretch goals is to get a native Japanese writer on the team. Also, anything that anyone says(including game text) is correctable. This is how people who know the bulk of the games words will get experience and yen as they won't be utilising the click/ghost system. Honestly, I love the concept of the click system as it instantly scales to the user. For by clicking the words you don't know, you are just reading the words you do.

And nahadef, thanks for the wishes of luck! It really means a lot!

With the whole taking advantage part, I don't see that's what I'm doing. I am just entering into an oversaturated niche with what I think is a really cool idea. I've already explained how this is beyond traditional SRS and why I am charging. There are plenty of other free and paid methods, but free doesn't always mean better(and neither does paid).

On the topic of dreadlocks, I love the style and I find it has more flair than the average programmer ponytail. It doesn't make me any less capable of a programmer or designer. And trust me when I say that they are the least eccentric thing about me. And no, I don't smoke weed, though I used to like a lot of lower-middle-class New Zealanders.

Yes, I am using those old level 4 lists, but modified with these official books and also words that the game uses like locations and game mechanics.

Phew, almost done. I'm sure if the Kickstarter was too long for you this reply will have been also. So I stand by with what I said. If it's too long, it's probably not the best system for you and God forbid you ever read anything longer than a tweet or Facebook status(not mine, they can get long =p). Though a lot can be said for brevity, a lot more can be said for communicating. I could've replied with haters gonna hate but that would have done nothing for anyone. Even if the original posters don't bother reading this, I'm sure whoever does will understand where I stand a little more. If you want the Kickstarter summed up, watch the video. But I can do it in one sentence. gaijin5 is a game to teach Japanese by immersion using various memory and psychology tricks to make it stick.

Once again, thank you so much for the feedback and if anyone has any more questions or concerns please don't hesitate to ask!
 
Well good luck with your kickstarter, I'll let the market decide the success or fail of your adventure.

Also, if you can't find what's wrong with the sentence 日本語が習う after nahadef pointed it out, it makes wonder if you even passed the JLPT N5 test yourself? Let alone writing material for N5 to N1, I mean have you not learnt about transitivity and particles?

By the way, what are the two add-ons did you write for Anki?

Is your material going to be as powerful and comprehensive as my deck? 6000+ Chinese Characters (not alphabet for god's sake)

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And some 22000 Japanese vocabulary including all Core, JLPT and Edict common words? (Including pitch accent which can be easily found in shared decks)

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All Anki decks and material found on the net (in excel or text) can be combined into super deck like mine all for free.
 
And no, even if any individual foreigner might not like being called a foreigner the word gaijin is not an offensive term, this is a common misconception much like people assuming hentai directly translates to pervert(it is more like odd or weird). If you don't believe that, just Google the term 'is gaijin offensive?' Anyways, it is a more commonly known word by foreigners and has a much better ring to it than gaikokujiN5, and it's not like I could use amerikajiN5 or hakujiN5 as I strongly doubt that my entire client base is entirely American or even Caucasian. Honestly, I thought it was a clever word play.
These days, gaikokujin is the preferred term. Gaijin and gaikokujin both have the meaning of foreigner, but the latter is what is used professionally, such as by companies or by the government. It's not a matter of being called a foreigner, it the way you're called one. And I dare you to use hentai in your first business meeting in Japan, and see if it really means weird. I write this not out of misconception, but out of experience living in Japan. Some people call me gaijin, and some call me gaikokujin, and you can see a massive difference in how they're speaking with you. You live in Japan, right? You have some real experience, and aren't relying on Google to tell you how things are, right?

Did you know that 'rape' carries a meaning of "a plant of the cabbage family with bright yellow, heavily scented flowers"? Can I go around saying I love rape, and then complain that people don't understand that real meaning when they don't like it?
 
「長いから読めない」じゃなくて、「つまんないから読みたくない」。

This is produced by the same people who run the JLPT, and is entirely free. This is the kind of thing you're up against. Don't take it personally, I'm rude to lots of people trying to sell things to beginner learners, since about 99% of it is overpriced crap and that's rounding down. Some of it is free and it's still overpriced.

For additional reference:
今日に日本語が習う!

The use of に there is wrong. The が is wrong as has already been mentioned. And the use of dictionary form, if you meant it as a slogan like "Let's Learn Japanese Today!" is dubious - volitional forms are generally used in this context.

I'll give you one point: sure, it's possible to pick out a couple of compounds from a Chinese headline and guess what the topic is. Outside of the menu thing, it's not of much practical use, though.
 
Would like to thank you guys for the heads up warning. nahadef, nekojita and FinancialWar. When I started out trying to learn japanese it was just one overpriced overpromising service after another. Anki decks, Tae Kim's grammar guide, Erin learning japanese I am filled with quality material for some time in the future, and I would have locked myself out of the great number of free sources if it had not been for guys like you pointing towards the wealth of good services.
 
Looks like it didn't work out. On the positive side, gajin5.com is available if anybody wants it.
 
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