[verb] なる conjugation?

[pacerier]

Hi all, I know how to form a [adj]なる and a [noun]なる but how do we form a [verb]なる ?

 

[Toritoribe]

What meaning of なる are you referring to, for instance?

 

[pacerier]

As in "to become".

 

[Toritoribe]

なる in "noun に/となる", "stem of na-adjectives になる", "-ku form of i-adjectives なる" expresses "to become a state". Since verbs basically express a movement or an action, they can't be connected directly to に/となる. You need to nominalize verbs/phrases/clauses or to use forms which express a state like ～たい, ～そうだ, ～ようだ, ～易い, ～てほしい, etc. instead of to connect just verbs simply.
e.g.
知ることになる
太りすぎになる
笑いたくなる
転びそうになる
できるようになる
行きやすくなる
しゃべりにくくなる
教えてほしくなる
わからなくなる....

 

[pacerier]

Heys cool, just to check, is this right: 疲れるようになる "to become weary" ?

 

[Mike Cash]

Heys cool, just to check, is this right: 疲れるようになる "to become weary" ?

No. To become weary is 疲れる.

 

[pacerier]

ok.. you are confusing me. Isn't it [verb]ようになる ?

 

[Glenn]

疲れる means "to get tired" and is a change of state verb. That's why "I'm tired" is 疲れた or 疲れている. ようになる is more like "come to (verb)." So you can say 日本語が読めるようになる ("come to be able to read Japanese"). I can't give any general rules on it right now, but 疲れるようになる doesn't seem very natural.

 

[pacerier]

Ok thanks for the help =D

 

[Mike Cash]

You can say 疲れるようになる but it doesn't mean "to become weary".

For example, something which doesn't make you weary may later come to make you weary (due to age, decreased stamina, etc), although 疲れやすくなる would probably be a more common way of phrasing it.

 

[Toritoribe]

although 疲れやすくなる would probably be a more common way of phrasing it.

Yeah, I agree with that. "病気をしてから、すぐ疲れるようになった。(I get tired easily after my illness.)" is one of the exceptions that 疲れるようになる sounds more natural because of the adverb すぐ. This sentence can be rephrased as 病気をしてから、疲れやすくなった。

 

[Elizabeth]

疲れる means "to get tired" and is a change of state verb. That's why "I'm tired" is 疲れた or 疲れている

疲れ for "tired..." is what I hear more often conversationally. And 疲れを感じています is what you would say to the doctor.

 

[pacerier]

「疲れを感じています。」means I feel fatigued ?

 

[Mike Cash]

疲れ for "tired..." is what I hear more often conversationally.

Around where I live one hears くたびれた quite a bit.

And 疲れを感じています is what you would say to the doctor.

And in that situation, だるい

 

[pacerier]

Heys thanks for the info =D

 

[Mike Cash]

Certainly. One also often hears だるい pronounced more like だりぃ～

 

[pacerier]

Can we do this for the other adjectives as well? Like かるい >> かりぃ ?

 

[Mike Cash]

Yes. Some change to an elongated えー sort of sound.

高い ー＞ たけ～
痛い ー＞ いて～ / いって～～


寒い ー＞ さみぃ～ / さみぃっ

Etc etc.....just regional/colloquial/emotive pronunciation variants.

 

[Elizabeth]

True or not, I was told that people who curse a lot tend to prefer the 濁る (???) option...

 

[Mike Cash]

Cursing, as we English speakers know it, doesn't really exist in Japanese. One can be crude, but not profane.

 

[pacerier]

Why is いって allowed for 痛い, but たっけ / さっめ not allowed for 高い/ 寒い?

 

[Mike Cash]

My examples weren't intended to be an exhaustive list.

In the case of samui, ones with "u" change to "I", not "e".

 

[Elizabeth]

Cursing, as we English speakers know it, doesn't really exist in Japanese. One can be crude, but not profane.

Yeah, I know. I think he meant instead of filth the equivalent level of vulgarity in Japanese.

 

[pacerier]

Hmm weird I've heard さめ before (other than さみぃ)

Is さめ a case of regional differences?

 

[Toritoribe]

Is that REALLY the one derived from 寒い?