Question and confirmation needed

Thanks guys, I think I get the general idea even though its a little harder to understand. I would still like to know what is the real difference between と思う andと思っている, because I read that と考えている can replace
と思っている however と考える cannot replace と思う, but it didn't say why, which is real frustrating...
 
Thanks guys, I think I get the general idea even though its a little harder to understand. I would still like to know what is the real difference between と思う andと思っている, because I read that と考えている can replace
と思っている however と考える cannot replace と思う, but it didn't say why, which is real frustrating...

[思っている] present continuous form of verb
[と思う] present tense.

The former is used for emphasis like to express a belief or feelings unchanged.
The later makes a general statement.

These are different from [考える], both in connotations and denotations、somewhat similar too though. But when you would like to express your opinion, [考える] can substitute [と思う], slightly sounding academic or formal. The same can be said with [思っている] [考えている」、if these are used to express strong opinions.

The words are very common and each has more than one meaning.
For instance:
貴方の事をいつも思っています。 => express state of being worried and praying for someone's happiness or indicate romantic feelings.

貴方の事ばかり考えています =>all the thoughts that comes up to me is always about you.(connotation wise slightly different and interpretation wise there are different options from 思う。 )

難しい事を考えている。=>Thinking about something hard
(Deliberate Contemplation or consideration )

秋の日にいつも思う事がある。(There is something that I always feel/remember/think of on...)
(To remember, feel, ideas that come up to one's mind)

So I cannot really tell you when they can be interchangeably used.

For more details, please check dictionaries.
 
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Thanks guys, I think I get the general idea even though its a little harder to understand. I would still like to know what is the real difference between と思う andと思っている, because I read that と考えている can replace
と思っている however と考える cannot replace と思う, but it didn't say why, which is real frustrating...
Shoji strikes again ?? Don't put yourself through that pain again if it isn't worth it in the long run! lol

Just FYI, 彼が怪しいと思う。:p


Basic Connections
この本は間違いだらけですよね。:eek:



たとえばどんな文ですか?例文を書いてくださいね。

I looked it up in my dictionary of synonymous terms, "Kodansha's Effective Japanese Usage
Dictionary." :


omou - to think

To mentally or emotionally sense something. Omou is much more intuitive and emotional
than kangaeru. It is used to express one's emotion, will, etc., or to state an opinion. Omou is
often used at the end of a sentence expressing conjecture, hope, opinion, or argument in
order to make one's statement softer.

kangaeru - to think about; to consider

Kangaeru refers to the intellectual mental process of making judgements or forming logical ideas based on reason or sense. There is a clear sense of attempting to reach a conclusion.

Thus, when referring to academic matters such as mathematical calculations, kangaeru is used rather than omou.
 
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Sorry I forgot to thank you Elizabeth but that was a big help, どうもありがとうございました!

And now ladies and gents I am here to bother you all with Q&C once again! Muahahaha...ha...help me...

1: 谷さんは頭がいいが、横田さんもいいです。
"Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota."
(From All About Particles by Naoko Chino)

Now the main problem have here is when が because 'and'. I don't understand when you can use が in this manner, is it only in written Japanese or something?


2:お花見のときは、どこへ行っても人でいっぱいだ。
"During flower-viewing time, there are crowds of people wherever you go."
(Same book)

Ok I have two questions about this sentence, 1: why is it not お花見のときには, because I thought that is what would emphasise the "during". 2: 「人でいっぱいだ」この「で」は手段の「で」ですか?


3: ジョンさんは、日本料理なら何でも食べます。
"John will eat any [kind of] Japanese food."
(Same book)

No problems understanding anything in this sentence I just want to try and say "If its Japanese food, John can eat up to any amount", or something to that effect. Is the correct way (or one of) to say this:
ジョンさんは、日本料理ならいくらでも食べます。?

Again any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks! :)
 
1: 谷さんは頭がいいが、横田さんもいいです。
"Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota."
(From All About Particles by Naoko Chino)
Now the main problem have here is when が because 'and'. I don't understand when you can use が in this manner, is it only in written Japanese or something?
That's so-called 「は・が文」 in Japanse grammar. 頭がいい is considered to indicate a "side" or character/feature of the subject indicated by は; 谷さん.
e.g.
象は鼻が長い。
冬は日が短い。

2:お花見のときは、どこへ行っても人でいっぱいだ。
"During flower-viewing time, there are crowds of people wherever you go."
(Same book)
Ok I have two questions about this sentence, 1: why is it not お花見のときには, because I thought that is what would emphasise the "during".
Exactly. So お花見の時には has a nuance of "especially during flower-viewing time." お花見のときは is used for more general description.

2: 「人でいっぱいだ」この「で」は手段の「で」ですか?
or, materials?😅

水槽を海水でいっぱいにする。
悲しみで胸がいっぱいだ。

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3: ジョンさんは、日本料理なら何でも食べます。
"John will eat any [kind of] Japanese food."
(Same book)
No problems understanding anything in this sentence I just want to try and say "If its Japanese food, John can eat up to any amount", or something to that effect. Is the correct way (or one of) to say this:
ジョンさんは、日本料理ならいくらでも食べます。?
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いくらでも食べられます might be more commonly used for that case.
 
Sorry I forgot to thank you Elizabeth but that was a big help, どうもありがとうございました!
And now ladies and gents I am here to bother you all with Q&C once again! Muahahaha...ha...help me...

1: 谷さんは頭がいいが、横田さんもいいです。

"Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota."
(From All About Particles by Naoko Chino)
Now the main problem have here is when が because 'and'. I don't understand when you can use が in this manner, is it only in written Japanese or something?
You are talking about the second が as "and"、right ? I don't know the pattern behind it, if any, other than you definitely do just see it that way on occasion. 😌
 
Sorry I forgot to thank you Elizabeth but that was a big help, どうもありがとうございました!
And now ladies and gents I am here to bother you all with Q&C once again! Muahahaha...ha...help me...

1: 谷さんは頭がいいが、横田さんもいいです。

"Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota."
(From All About Particles by Naoko Chino)
Now the main problem have here is when が because 'and'. I don't understand when you can use が in this manner, is it only in written Japanese or something?
2:お花見のときは、どこへ行っても人でいっぱいだ。
"During flower-viewing time, there are crowds of people wherever you go."
(Same book)
Ok I have two questions about this sentence, 1: why is it not お花見のときは, because I thought that is what would emphasise the "during". 2: 「人いっぱいだ」この「で」は手段の「で」ですか?
3: ジョンさんは、日本料理なら何でも食べます。
"John will eat any [kind of] Japanese food."
(Same book)
No problems understanding anything in this sentence I just want to try and say "If its Japanese food, John can eat up to any amount", or something to that effect. Is the correct way (or one of) to say this:
ジョンさんは、日本料理ならいくらでも食べます。?
Again any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks! 🙂

I assume you are asking about connotations of those particles in contrast to others; If you are after denotations, please refer to dictionaries.
1: 谷さんは頭がいいが、横田さんもいいです。[/COLOR]
"Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota."
when you can use が in this manner, is it only in written Japanese or something?
Translation and the interpretations
I cannot quite agree with the translation above.
I think it is :
Tani is brainy but, so is Yokota.

As to the interpretations(Please note that it depends on context!!)
Could imply:
1)Tani has got a brain but that is only thing he has, when we think about it Yokota is intelligent too and ...
2)Tani is intelligent but Yokota... wonder which is better
3)Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota.(Speaker used が wrongly as a conjunction in place of それに).

谷さんは頭がいい、横田さんもいいです。
が marked bold is a conjunction and is often used for negation. Thus, the sentence could insinuate that the speaker is not thinking well of Tani: otherwise why he/she has to negate Tani's intelligence? There are, however, exceptions.

Exception
谷は頭がいい、横田も悪くない。
Tani is intelligent but, Yokota is not bad too.
(Or could be used for Euphemism but let me skip those)

Lastly, in Japanese, negatives(such as not or but ) work sometimes differently from English. I always have trouble whether I should be saying yes or no because Japanese はい and いいえ are sometimes used differently from English Yes and No.
I cannot think of an example now though, I generally rephrase to avoid confusion.

が as object identifier

1)谷さんは頭いいが、...
(Subject omitted)
2)谷さんは頭いいが、...
(Subject omitted)

Connotations
While with (2) the speaker at least seems to agree that Tani is intelligence and regard that as important in whatever the evaluation of him, but with (1) the speaker could be taken to disregard such as something useless or irrelivant.

The effect is probably due to the fact that after the use of は in the particular way as in (1), only negation of the previous statement can follow, while with が, sentence could be concluded without negation coming after.

2:お花見のときは、どこへ行っても人でいっぱいだ。
1: why is it not お花見のときは, because I thought that is what would emphasise the "during".
2: 「人いっぱいだ」この「で」は手段の「で」ですか?

As to (1), you can use "には", there is not much difference form はin the given context. But stick with Toritobe-san 's advice.

If I am to be fussy and think of the times that I would use them apart, there are many cases, then one of those would be when I need to emphasise the flow of time. These are advanced stuff, however.
春には花がさく。
(It will flower in the coming spring)
春に花が咲く
(it flowers at spring)
春は花が咲く(ものだ)。
(Come spring, they/it blossoms); To think about it, 花 in this case must be a generic or figurative expression.

Like people normally do not care whether they say on accident or by accident, we do not pay much attention when either works.

2: 「人いっぱいだ」この「で」は手段の「で」ですか?
Explaining spatial arrangement of objects sounds like a betrer explanation to me: like filled with people/bottles or crowded with people.
Intrinsic to our brain functions and thus easy enough to understand but impossible to explain unless we know how human brain deals with spaces, objects and their relationship. It is beyond me yet.
 
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Sorry I forgot to thank you Elizabeth but that was a big help, どうもありがとうございました!
And now ladies and gents I am here to bother you all with Q&C once again! Muahahaha...ha...help me...

1: 谷さんは頭がいいが、横田さんもいいです。

"Tani is intelligent, and so is Yokota."
(From All About Particles by Naoko Chino)
Now the main problem have here is when が because 'and'. I don't understand when you can use が in this manner, is it only in written Japanese or something?
You can find examples of the "ga" structure working as a connector particle in Shoji's Basic Connections.

Basically they are cases two parts of fairly disjointed or distinct ideas are joined in a way that there is no implication of contrast where "and" is normally 'soshite' 'sore ni' etc.
 
Exception
谷は頭がいい、横田も悪くない。
Tani is intelligent but, Yokota is not bad too.
(Or could be used for Euphemism but let me skip those)
Since in isolation it doesn't suggest any additional information, I suppose in English as well there may be some ambiguity between "but" or "and." But as a clear and decisive yet still subtle attempt at a conclusion to a discussion of Yokota's intelligence, the use of "and" in this case shows the speaker's resolution in coming to her defense a tinge more strongly than "but," which could still give an impression of lagging behind Tani, in my opinion.
 
Since in isolation it doesn't suggest any additional information, I suppose in English as well there may be some ambiguity between "but" or "and." But as a clear and decisive yet still subtle attempt at a conclusion to a discussion of Yokota's intelligence, the use of "and" in this case shows the speaker's resolution in coming to her defense a tinge more strongly than "but," which could still give an impression of lagging behind Tani, in my opinion.

Yes you are exactly right.

谷は頭がいいが、横田も悪くない。
This is an ambiguous sentence and it is meant to be so.

横田も悪くない
He is not bad, then is he good?<==No one saying he is good

谷は頭がいいが, 横田もいい。
I guess some people say like this but frankly speaking, sound a little silly.

谷は頭がいいが、横田も悪くない。
Speaker's intention is not to put down Yokota while not deny or admit that Tani is the most intelligent guy and yet the speaker clearly does not want to disagree with the person who said something like Tani is the best.

In other words, the speaker is mildly refusing to compare between the two people or to provide any onion. Certainly not everyone is capable of using language like this, at least I can't, so there are cases that people just making grammatical errors or not thinking what he/she is saying but it also could be a guise.
There is no way to tell if the speaker is even refusing to provide his/her opinion unless we dare to ask rudely that what her/his intended to say

By the way, I like reading you post Elizabeth-san, there is always a new ward to learn and it really helps my vocabulary building:D
 
Revival

Been a while since I did this last, I've saved up a bunch of Q&C for all you wonderful people =P

1.

明日からたばこを吸わないことにする。
"I decided not to smoke starting tomorrow."

ここに花を植えないことにしました。
"I decided not to plant flowers here."

しばらく外で食事しないことにします。
"I've decided not to dine out for a while."

(Taken from Taeko Kamiya's The Handbook of Japanese Verbs)

I'm having difficulty understanding when its ことにする or ことにした. From what I understand the first one is saying that starting tomorrow the decision not to smoke will begin or something like that, the second one is saying that the person has made the decision and its currently in operation so to speak, but the third one throws me off slightly, because to me it would be more fitting for it to be ことにした instead if you see what I mean since it seems they decided this beforehand. Is this just a matter of context and to not take the english translation too literally? BTW if I've misinterpreted this pattern please feel free to correct my assumptions, this goes for anything I've written.


2.

立花さんのしごとがこんなに忙しくなければ、健康だっ たでしょう。
"If Mr. Tachibana hadn't been so busy with his work, he would have been healthy."

(Taken from Naoko Chino's A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Sentence Patterns)

This is a small thing, but what it sound like to you if ければ was replaced by なら, in other words:
立花さんのしごとがこんなに忙しくないなら、健康だっ たでしょう。
I remember asking a former language partner this and she said something like its not as clear whether or not he (Tachibana) was busy or not, I never fully got that really. I do know some of the slight differences in nuance when using なら but I'm not sure what happens to the meaning of that sentence exactly.


3.

姉は弟にご飯を食べさせてあげました。
"The older sister fed her little brother."

(A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Sentence Patterns)

Ok I understand this abit, but no matter how I look at it it looks to me it should be translated as "The older sister let her little brother eat" or something among those lines, how this 食べさせてあげました is translated as "fed" is slightly odd to me, if anyone can explain this I'd be really grateful and if possible some examples amoung the same lines would help too.


4.

今からでも新幹線の切符、買うことできる?
"Is it possible to get Shinkansen tickets even now?"

(A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Sentence Patterns)

What is the difference/nuance if I changed 今からでも to 今でも? 今からでも sounds like "even from now" which is slightly odd in english so I'm not sure what's going on there.


5.

この戦争で、息子に死なれた母親が多くいます。
"There are many mothers whose sons were killed in this war."

(A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Sentence Patterns)

This sentence is quite interesting, its like mothers that were killed by their sons but its mothers who suffered the death of their sons? Something like that?

I do have other questions but I'll leave it here for now. As usual any help would be appreciated, thanks! :)
 
1)
That simply depends on when the subject decides or decided it. #1 and #3 means that s/he has decided it just now, whereas #2 shows s/he decided it in the past. So #1 should be "I've decided not to smoke starting tomorrow," I suppose.


2)
The clause 立花さんの仕事がこんなに忙しくなければ expresses the contrary-to-fact in the past, so it should be 立花さんの仕事がこんなに忙しくなかったなら when なら is used. You can also say 忙しくなかったら.

Your language partner would want to say that こんなに忙しくないなら can mean こんなに暇だったら/暇なら/暇だと.


3)
Right, 食べさせてあげた can also mean "let him eat." But if the brother is very young like a baby, 食べさせる would be used as "to feed" in the sentence. Generally, 食べさせてあげる tends to be used as "to feed," and 食べさせる is for "to let/make eat," imo.

両手を怪我していたので、看護師に食べさせてもらった。
Since I injured my hands, I was fed by a nurse.


4)
今からでも sounds to me like the speaker actually wants to buy it now just like 今から買いに行く, whereas 今でも can be used when just asking it.


5)
The passive form 死なれる means that one(s) who is close to the subject dies.
 
さすがですね。とりとりべさん、いつも助けてくれてありがとうございます。👍
 
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