Back seat belting.

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I have just found out today about the new seat belt rules here in Japan after my mother in-law was busted for ignoring a give-way sign, and the officer said the kids sitting in the back must be belted.
On hearing this I thought immediately the law would apply only to vehicles with them fitted. That's me being naive. More like if there aren't belts in the back then the idea is to make it illegal to sit there. Seat belts for the fluffy dolls on the back shelf as well?
In the case of my M.I.L's car it would mean that two of the four could be belted if they all sit in the back. They're small - see!
Personally I always belt up. I'm not really sure why. Probably something to do with my thinking they are a safety feature which I like to use. I say I always belt-up, but that's not exactly true either as I got busted and lost one point just three days ago. I was just exiting the supermarket and reaching for my belt when the previously hidden policeman suddenly came out from crouching behind a low wall and the rest is history.
The same thing happens with the crawling early-morning traffic in notorious locations here in Amami. The intrepid traffic cops hide behind a wall of the tunnel most people have to go through on their daily grind to the work-place. I must say the law here seems more focused on catching people than it is about safety. I've had many close calls with the local police waiting to catch someone doing something which is against the posted law, but was obviously intended to maintain safety with other road users. I've seen them at 2, 3 and 4 in the morning parked in a dark place and silent --- just waiting! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
But I digress. Back to these back seat belts. I intend to try to ask the ever-recalcitrant cops at their main station here what the law actually is, and I'm asking them for the express purpose of knowing what the exclusions and exceptions are. The laws for front seat passengers are somewhat known. ie.. pregnant women needn't wear them, neither do people with stomach injuries, nor 'morbidly' obese' people. (Whatever that might constitute).
Perhaps the law requires that all vehicles must have back-seat belts fitted? Does any one out there know the details?
* Pregnant women are excluded from seatbelts because the constriction and/or jarring of a belt has been known to cause miscarriages and birth defects. I suppose you don't often see a pregnant Mrs. Tanaka bombing down the road doing the ton and hanging wheelies! I mean that pregnant ladies are at somewhat less risk of an accident than others, and she'll not likely be behind the wheel late at night or in the small hours. Argue with that if you like. Even take it to extremes and say that one life saved is worth it. But it won't wash with me. The line between doing something for the benefit of a society and trampling over people's personal liberties and interfering with people's judgement is not so fine, and is in my view being very much transgressed.
But that said, this kind of tyrannical oppression is only to be expected especially as Japan is the US's leaders' poodle. - ie the Japs are all going to be treated to strangulating beaurocracy and made to cough-up their dwindling salaries by every and any means. - So we must adapt! (Yawn not again).
I feel that laws requiring a seatbelt with penalties for not doing so are an infringement of personal liberties. I feel the same way about helmet laws, but not only do I wear a belt as a rule, I also invariably wear a helmet when I'm riding. I do these things because I take my safety as my own responsibility. I have limited pity for the rider who gets road-rash all over his face when he didn't wear a helmet. And I praise Darwin every time I hear of an unbelted person departing this mortal coil in a high-speed collision. - But I remember a funny thing about two years ago. I was riding on a mountain road and an insect got under the visor so I lifted the helmet off with my left hand and shook the critter out. I was only doing about 30 or 40 k's, but a police car happened to be coming in the opposite direction and you should have seen him panic! First there was a sudden speaker announcement for me to stop, and then his tyres squealed and he was in pursuit. I had by that time replaced my lid, and was somewhat dumfounded. What are they on? A commision?
The police in my neck of the woods are certainly on steroids lately. Dark forbodings of worse things to come no doubt. I just wish I could tell them to shove it and ride something weedy and electric which I can plug into the wall over night which can't break the damn speed limit.
In the past two weeks, my wife got done for our eldest kid (8) not being belted (he was reaching back to comfort the screaming baby on the back seat9. I got busted ouside one supermarket and my dear MIL got caught outside another supermarket. Hmmmmmm????? I doubt my family isn't the only one to lean towards anarchy and lawlessness. (And it's bloody annoying).
What a long rant. Greeting from Amami.
 
OK, ALL cars should be equipped with backseat seatbelts. They are sometimes hidden between the seat paddings but they ARE there. As for small kids, if they are too small to wear seatbelts, they need to be in child-seats. Check the registration certificate for your car. If it says it seats 5, there should be 5 sets of seatbelts.

I understand sometimes it feels like the police traffic officers are out there just to catch someone for violations. Oh, wait... they ARE out there to catch someone for traffic violations! It does seem excessive at times, yes, but their presence does keep us alert. No one likes to get stopped.

As for you and your family members getting stopped back to back to back, it most likely had to do with the new backseat belt law being in effect. I have read in the papers that the police in many cities sent out extra officers to "remind" drivers that it was now a law to strap on in the backseats.

Anyway, I do understand your frustration. Driving is a previlege. Let us all remember that we share the streets with others and how important it is to be responsible drivers for the sake of others as well as for your own.



Now, THAT is the kind of crap they give you when you call the police station to complain about these "officers" who have nothing better to do than going around harrassing people.

Nooooo~ I'm only kidding. Let us all follow the rules and be safe out there.
🙂
 
I got told off for wearing a seatbelt in the back of my girlfriends mum's car...

I was told that she was a very safe driver and I didn't need to wear one - When I pointed out that other drivers perhaps weren't as safe, i got a purplexed look...

Is Japanese society typically this cavalier about automobile safety - or is this a one off?
 
I got told off for wearing a seatbelt in the back of my girlfriends mum's car...

I was told that she was a very safe driver and I didn't need to wear one - When I pointed out that other drivers perhaps weren't as safe, i got a purplexed look...

Is Japanese society typically this cavalier about automobile safety - or is this a one off?

It seems a large portion of Japanese people have a particular aversion to wearing seatbelts, and I have received the same reaction as you described from people here on several occasions. I think it would be fair to say that the general attitude toward traffic safety is a bit more lax here than it is in the US.

mael said:
I must say the law here seems more focused on catching people than it is about safety.
How exactly does a police officer "focus on safety"? The laws are in place to promote safety, and police are employed to make sure the laws are followed.

mael said:
Pregnant women are excluded from seatbelts
I hope this isn't true. A pregnant woman who doesn't wear a seatbelt is endangering her own life and that of the unborn child, far more than she would by wearing a seatbelt.
 
Go ahead if you want your kids in danger. Let them go unbelted. Sheesh. Can't believe someone actually made a rant of that blatantly obvious safety point.
 
How exactly does a police officer "focus on safety"?

* I see you are not a MENSA candidate. Well let be assist you:- Focusing on safety is NOT them sitting in an unmarked car at four in the morning on an otherwise empty street waiting for someone to not come to a complete stop before a give-way sign.

* I hope this helps.

The laws are in place to promote safety, and police are employed to make sure the laws are followed.

* The laws may be intended to promote safety. And they are suitably ambiguous to ensure people will get caught.

* Yes. The cops are there to see the laws are followed. When they don't have a conflict of interests as an obstacle anyhow.

I hope this isn't true. A pregnant woman who doesn't wear a seatbelt is endangering her own life and that of the unborn child, far more than she would by wearing a seatbelt.

* It's her life! Who are you or anyone else to tell her what to do?

Go ahead if you want your kids in danger. Let them go unbelted. Sheesh. Can't believe someone actually made a rant of that blatantly obvious safety point.

* Regardeless of your disbelief, I acknowledge your magnanimous ascenting to my right to decide what is right for me. Most kind.

* Perhaps you should have a stiff one to calm your nerves? And don't drive afterwards, K?
 
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I hope this isn't true. A pregnant woman who doesn't wear a seatbelt is endangering her own life and that of the unborn child, far more than she would by wearing a seatbelt.

It is true. I suppose, especially with the 2 point seatbelts usually found in the backseats, it is hard for pregnant women to wear belts and possibly dangerous if the belt is worn across the belly.

With the 3 point belts found in the front seat, you can run the horizontal belt UNDER the belly just above the base of your legs and the diagnal belt above the belly.

Anyway, like the OP said, the pregnant women are exempt from the seatbelt law. However, more and more people are realising that it IS dangerous to go without seatbelts and they are coming up with ways for pregnant women to wear seatbelts without much discomfort. I have even seen specially designed "maternity seatbelts" sold on the internet.

I also have heard that the car manufacturers are equipping the back seats of their latest models with the 3 point belts.
 
I've seen cars with three-point belts in the back. And they are a good idea.
I would say they should be either strongly recommended or people should be discouraged from not - using them on high-speed roads, and optional for others, with the driver being basically responsible for their use.

ie... in the case of an accident where someone in the back was injured and was not fastened in the seat then perhaps the insurance payout can reflect this. This makes more sense to me.

The back seat takes three adults, and the middle 'seat' has a two-point fixing.

Children are not counted as adults in the seating arrangements of cars. I'm not sure exactly what the difference is, but I seem to recall it might be three kids equals two adults. So there is an obvious problem with enforcing these belts. My friend checked this stuff out somewhat yesterday. Apparently if the car is registered as a 5-seater then there will be five sets of belts. But as kids are considered less than an adult the car can carry more people than there are belts. My friend said that in this case the police will not prosecute.

There are all sorts of incentives for people to have kids, and the gov clearly wants its new generation of peons for the treadmill. People with more than a couple of kids are significantly inconvenienced by laws requiring all kids to be buckled-in when they are trundling to and from the kindergartens and the shops. Apart from the inconvenience, in my case, our 'K' car can not seat all of us legally if belts must be worn in the back. Getting the little monsters to belt-up in the front is difficult enough! Well, I can get it done, but my wife must feel she is trying to talk to a brick wall when she wants the kids to belt up in the front. I look at the child in the front seat without a belt, then I turn my head and look (him) directly in the eye, and with an Arnold Swartzegeggor voice I say quietly "Put your belt on." - It works like magic.

The people who decided to make this a law are not shy of saying that the public doesn't support this mandatory use of back-seat belts.

A---nywayyyy........... Our intrepid and highly efficient police here in Japan won't be enforcing the back-seat belts until the autumn from what I gather.

Hey! Summer's here in Amami! Honest! I saw 夏雲 today for the first time this year. So I now wear my uniform towel round my neck for the next six months.
 
The people who decided to make this a law are not shy of saying that the public doesn't support this mandatory use of back-seat belts.
A---nywayyyy........... Our intrepid and highly efficient police here in Japan won't be enforcing the back-seat belts until the autumn from what I gather.
Hey! Summer's here in Amami!


The police are enforcing the law now...that is why your MIL was stopped. Now it is my understanding that they will not issue citations for one full year...that is what was mentioned here in our prefecture. They have already set up checkpoints and pulled people over, but only issued warning tickets.
I think it is a good thing. People reacted similarly in the US when seatbelt laws were first enacted. They didn't like it and didn't want to wear them, but over time you get used to it. I don't go anywhere without wearing mine, and haven't for the last 22 years.
 
So they recently changed the law? When I was there I would buckle up anyways, but everyone said it wasn't necessary in the back seat. This is good to know, but by now it's habit anyways.
 
Sometimes I think a cage would be better for the kids in the back ... .
 
This is why the law should require seat belts in the back seat (31 second clip):




Besides that, a government has a responsibility to try to protect its citizens from harm, even if they are too foolish to do it themselves. Seatbelt and helmet laws are one way of doing that.
 
That's amazing that Japan only introduces compulsory wearing of seat belts for rear passengers now ! In Europe this has been compulsory since the 1980's or early 90's, depending on the country (1984 in Germany, 1989 in the UK, 1990 in France, 1991 in Belgium, 1992 in Ireland).

Nowadays some European countries have compulsory seat belts for bus passengers too. Sweden has had it since 1986.
 
That's amazing that Japan only introduces compulsory wearing of seat belts for rear passengers now ! In Europe this has been compulsory since the 1980's or early 90's, depending on the country (1984 in Germany, 1989 in the UK, 1990 in France, 1991 in Belgium, 1992 in Ireland).
Nowadays some European countries have compulsory seat belts for bus passengers too. Sweden has had it since 1986.

Yes, it is amazing.

As the worlds' leaders conspire to complete their homogenization and enslavement of the suffering peons, even previously tough Japan must bend before the NWO behemoth.

Everything is being tuned to suit the mental capabilities of the lowest common denominator. AKA Communism.

Nothing good will come of it. Only people free to decide what suits them are candidates for making improvements to our collective lott.

These obtrusive 'laws' for crimes without victims are making this world a tragic comedy to behold. I laugh drily as I hear the spinmeisters churn out their convincing rhetoric to the invincibly naive and the gullible.

Still! Here on Amami I can avoid experiencing the tyranny at close quarters.

What happens in Europe is Europe's concern. This is ostensibly Japan. People are different. It is diversity in its true sense of people being free to be different which makes the world a colourful place. What is occuring is global blandness.
 
Gasp... the Japanese governmet wants to take away our freedom to serious injury. I can never understand post like these???
 
So they recently changed the law? When I was there I would buckle up anyways, but everyone said it wasn't necessary in the back seat.
"Necessary?" From a crash dummy POV, that is laughable, of course.

Crash Test Dummies | Retro Junk Commercial
http://www.cubrc.org/centir/docs/backseat_bullet/ctr10-3-03s.WMV
(skip the text, skim down for the wmv vids on "unbelted" passengers)

http://uemshealthcare.org/departments/backseat bullet.htm
Click on the "Julie" video. WARNING! on some blood and shock.
 
Buckling up in the back seat just became law this year. Pregnant women can choose not to buckle.
 
I'm guessing you also take great issue with Japan's health care system.
I avoid it whenever possible.

I usually ride actually. (Honda X4)

I, and no member of my family takes vaccines or submit to the plethora of so-called 'tests' which are strongly recommended. This is because I/we have decided they are more dangerous than the alternative.

It took ages to find a doctor here who didn't try to fill the patients up with drugs, and lucky me, he also takes the time to explain and demonstrate what the ailment is, the choices for treatment, and what recovery might be like. Only trouble is that he is a children's doctor. I and my wives (typos, sorry) have to be very watchful on the few occasions we decide there is no alternative but to visit one (mostly due to the medicine we want being a prescribed item). But I am aware of it and so I can minimise the risks (of ignorant doctors).

Could make ya's squirm with a few true stories of how I was misdiagnosed and the 'problems' of getting what I needed. Experience is a great teacher.
--> Could also probably rattle-off a few cases where I was correctly diagnosed and received adequate care.

The last time I saw a doc was four years ago after sliding down the road with my bike after a hawk decided to fly into my visor around a tight turn. - I ended up feeling the necessity to leave as soon as possible and treated myself for a broken rib and gravel rash.
 
Gasp... the Japanese governmet wants to take away our freedom to serious injury. I can never understand post like these???

How delightfully naive. Or are you still at junior high school?

Perhaps you understand the notion of personal responsibility?

I'm sure most people will readily choose to belt-up - the same way as I don't need a law to tell me to put a lid on when I ride.

It's commonsense. You need a law for commonsense? Well I see you do!
 
How delightfully naive. Or are you still at junior high school?
Perhaps you understand the notion of personal responsibility?
I'm sure most people will readily choose to belt-up - the same way as I don't need a law to tell me to put a lid on when I ride.
It's commonsense. You need a law for commonsense? Well I see you do!

Me thinks someone seriously missed the sarcasm intended in the post that they quoted. 🙂

Here is a question or something to consider.

The government here is interfering with a persons right to choice. What harm am I doing to you or anyone else if I choose not to wear my seatbelt?

If I am responsible enough to carry enough insurance to cover my own medical costs if I get into an accident what problems am I causing YOU if I dont wear my seatbelt?

What right does the government have to infringe on my right to freedom of movement, within the confines of my own car?

What's next? Telling me that I can't eat veggies because they arent good for me?
 
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How delightfully naive. Or are you still at junior high school?
Perhaps you understand the notion of personal responsibility?
I'm sure most people will readily choose to belt-up - the same way as I don't need a law to tell me to put a lid on when I ride.
It's commonsense. You need a law for commonsense? Well I see you do!
LOL, I wish I was still at junior highschool, but then I don't how my kids would react.
And how incredibly naive your assuming that most people will belt up when entering a car. Like I said in my earlier post we should have the right to be mangled in a car accident if we want to right? Then we can use the government inssurance for our medical bills so all the other tax payers have to pay for my stupidity to choose not to wear a belt. Unfortunately people do need a law for common sense.
And to prove that, here is something you may be interested in,
I don't know if you read Japanese but anyway.
ツ(窶啣ツ)ニ蛋ニ槌槌辰ニ停?ケニ檀ニ歎ツーニ暖窶堙娯?吮?ヲ窶廃窶板ヲ
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http://www.jama.or.jp/lib/jamagazine/200004/04.html
So the commonsense is to restrain your child correct? But yet the percentage of restrained babies under 12 months in age in child seats was 43.8% and under 6 years was a dismal 15.1%.
So now it has become law to restrain you children in child seats and I believe this number has risen , but going by your way of thinking the general public did not that law b/c they were doing fine the way it was. Yeah right!.... and still as this article states , it obviously needs enforcment. Or does it?
Something that strikes foreigners driving in Japan is the number of families who let their young kids ride in the front on a parent's lap, or in the back, unharnessed. "Don't the parents care that they might kill their kids?" is the frequent shocked refrain.
Well, apparently not. In 2005, there were 933,828 recorded traffic accidents in Japan, resulting in 1,156,633 injuries and 14,802 fatalities. Of these, 182 deaths and 88,447 injuries were of kids under the age of 15. Fatalities for unrestrained kids were 3.1 times higher than for those strapped in ツ― and yet, ignorant or uninterested parents and grandparents let their kids stand up and jump around on the back seat while driving through town. Perhaps they think the heavy traffic and slow speed lessens the risk, and yet statistically almost 50% of all fatal accidents occur at speeds of less than 50km/hr.
http://archive.japantoday.com/jp/comment/1063
So mael, where is that commonsense of yours now? Just b/c YOU don't need to be told, those who can't protect themselves need someone watching over them, so if the government applies a law that is obviously for our saftey why should there be a big fuss about it. It is obvious that some of us, Mr general public are not smart enough to know the difference or do know the difference but still choose to put themselves or their kids in danger.
Now who was it that seemed like the way they were thinking was in junior high school?

Maybe you would be happier with issuing of licences to have kids so that only responsible parents can have them....?
 
I'm sure most people will readily choose to belt-up - the same way as I don't need a law to tell me to put a lid on when I ride.
It's commonsense.
I don't share your optimism.

You need a law for commonsense? Well I see you do!
Let's cut the sarcasm here. The law is obviously made to try protecting people who don't have such common sense.


KirinMan said:
Here is a question or something to consider.

The government here is interfering with a persons right to choice. What harm am I doing to you or anyone else if I choose not to wear my seatbelt?
You can bounce around the car helplessly, crash into other passengers, and cause serious injury to them. You write as if being unrestrained in a car that has an accident affords you some measure of control (=personal liberty). It doesn't.

Unbelted Backseat Passengers Produce Deadly Results

ScienceDaily (Dec. 22, 2006) ツ― Holiday travelers: Listen up and buckle up!

New research shows that unbelted backseat passengers risk injury or death to themselves and the driver seated in front of them in the event of a head-on crash.

Automobile sled tests simulating head-on crashes between two vehicles and using crash-test dummies have demonstrated the likelihood of severe head and chest traumas for driver and passenger caused by an unbelted passenger slamming into the seat of a belted driver.

The risk of severe injury was not evident during sled tests involving driver and passenger dummies restrained by seat belts, according to the researchers. A driver's side airbag was used in all tests.

"The tests show clearly that unrestrained rear-seat passengers place themselves, as well as their driver, at great risk of serious injury when involved in a head-on crash,"
Unbelted Backseat Passengers Produce Deadly Results

See also
http://www.connectwithkids.com/tipsheet/2002/57_jan30/belt.html
Library | Alexandria, Virginia Injury Lawyers The Law Offices of Jeremy Flachs
Unbelted backseat passengers produce deadly results

Don't talk to me about your freedom not affecting other people in the car. And, it doesn't matter whether you carry insurance or not. The damage may be irreparable.
 
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