September 11th true or false?

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: The World Trade Center
As for WTC7 and the picture.
It states that the building collapsed due to fire and as a side effect of WTC 1&2 collapsing. But if you look at the picture from that web site. How come the other buildings around WT7 did not collapse but only WTC7? ANother fact that one has to think about is if no steel frame building has ever collapsed due to fire how come 3 collapsed on the same day and 1 collapsed without getting hit by an airplane.

How about because no three steel framed buildings have ever been in a similar situation, two hit by aircraft and one hit by a huge cloud of concrete debris?

Also judging this entirely on pictures is highly dubious, these things require study and understanding of materials, designs, blueprints- not only of the buildings but the collision objects also.

If you look at the way it collapsed it does look like a controlled demolishion. Why does not that web site show a video when WTC7 collapsed? The FEMA report is not only full of half truths it just does not explain very well at all. It's not logical.

Most buildings when they fall down look like a controlled demolition... because that's the point of a controlled demolition.

Where are the half truths in the report? Where are the illogical statements?

Then there is the Pentagon. US version.
But the hole is rather small. It is very small. If an airplane crashed into the Pentagon you have to remember that the airplane crashed into the Pentagon 5 meters or so above ground level. Thats quite a pilot stunt in itself. Before crashing into Pentagon it took a 270 degrees turn and then crashed into Pentagon and the hole it made in the Pentagon is much smaller than a commercial airliner.
If it is a commercial airliner then surely the Pentagon could have released a video release making sure to public that it was a commercial airliner. It hasnt. Surely one of the most secured buildings on the planet can come up with better evidence than this.
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: The World Trade Center
This picture here is not very convincing.

Again with the pictures. You need to understand materials and design. You're aware that when a plane hits something bit and hard it is liable to crumple into a smaller shape, I assume?

And what sort of perimeter CCTV camera (aimed towards the ground, as on US home soil that is the most likely vector for intruders) do you think is going to accurately reveal an image of an object travelling at about 300mph?

This is off topic. Start a new thread about the brave Americans some place else. But I will asnwer this but this has nothing to do with this thread. Martyr operations are not concidered suicide. It is not coward to sacrifice your life for a cause you believe in.

I think most people consider it extremely cowardly to attack civilians who by definition are not equipped to effectively fight back.

Your posts are made of lose, my friend. Derfel for the win.
 
I think most people consider it extremely cowardly to attack civilians who by definition are not equipped to effectively fight back.

Yeah, indeed. This question almost went over my head.
Thank You for reminding me.
Not that I can express better what's been said, but I do feel like letting my hate out, damn terrorists.

centrajapan, you truly think that ill bred lunatics having a 1/2:90 brains/explosives ratio are honorable soldiers?
I just don't get it. Are they mad? Well they are, surely they aren't aware that the west takes pity on them, and doesn't retaliate in a similar manner, but still, targeting civilians because they know that our policies don't allow us to do such filthy things is low, thats so very low.
How can that be called brave? Complaining how teh crusader boogeymanz wrought havoc, and how big bad Uncle Sam is munching on their feet. Laugh. If they want war bring it, if they want to be recognized let them target soldiers, we'd sure pick the glove up. But what the heck do they want from civilians? If they kill civilians the number of soldiers won't decrease by one.
Ever since the bombers being called it, the word "brave" received a pejorative meaning: scum, filth, lowlife.
If it was for me, I'd have them spend their last moments in this wellness hotel:
 
Conspiracy theories usually fall apart and something, this big and this complicated could never actually be pulled off: Achem's Razor- the simplest explanation tends to be the best... and when you see hoof prints, look for horses, not zebras... (Unless you are some where where zebras are common.)
I tend to agree. Don't multiply entities beyond necessity. We know those planes and hijackers existed, let's not make any claims for unproven American collaborators unless there's conclusive proof. As always in situations like this, I reserve judgment.

Sorry, these comments are offtopic...

America, regardless of how many underhanded tricks it does, is a country for the sake of its peoples' welfare,
I can't entirely agree with that since the US doesn't have socialised medicine. Access to free healthcare for all citizens is IMO absolutely necessary for any country that values the welfare of its people.

centrajapan, you truly think that ill bred lunatics having a 1/2:90 brains/explosives ratio are honorable soldiers?
I just don't get it. Are they mad? Well they are, surely they aren't aware that the west takes pity on them, and doesn't retaliate in a similar manner, but still, targeting civilians because they know that our policies don't allow us to do such filthy things is low, thats so very low.
Mad? Maybe. Almost certainly brainwashed and most probably desperate, IMO.
 
you keep going and going and going drifting my words...twisting it like you like...

i never said martyr missions were targeting civilians and killing innocent people...

reread my posts

i clearly said martyr missions are those against military bases, men in uniform, armed personnel...
when did i ever mention any thing about blowing up civilians??
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't always respond to a post with what I write, simply, when im writing something longer, im usually quite heated. So its all up to you, depending on what you exactly meant, you will know how much if it was directed at you.
 
On 9-11 3 steel framed buildings collapsed due to fire. If the building was hit hard by debris it still does not collapse. Have you seen buildings from war torn countries? Have you seen pictures from say Beirut or Sarajevo? The buildings have alot of holes and is shattered but they still don't collapse.

Have you seen pictures of Kobe after the earth quake? How many buildings collapsed like they did on 9-11? 0. Buildings collapsed but not like they did in New York. This could be because of the construction design but I think that possibility sounds even less likely.

And what sort of perimeter CCTV camera (aimed towards the ground, as on US home soil that is the most likely vector for intruders) do you think is going to accurately reveal an image of an object travelling at about 300mph?

Yes. We see clear pictures of rockets being shot so how hard can it be to show a clear picture of a commercial airliner? In one of the most heavily secured buildings on this earth.

I think most people consider it extremely cowardly to attack civilians who by definition are not equipped to effectively fight back.

Your posts are made of lose, my friend. Derfel for the win.

Suicide bombings is not regarded as suicides but martyr operation. Scarificing your life in battle is not seen as coward. I think they have more guts than American soldiers hiding behind millitary tanks shooting at bomb shelters though. I don't agree with any of them but if I have to chose what I think is the most coward. It surely is not the peopole who are willing to sacrifice their lives for a cause. Any attack on civilian is wrong. I personally think punching people is wrong too.

It also is coward to impose sanctions on a country and starving close up to a million people like what US did to Iraq prior to the war leading to 9-11.

How about because no three steel framed buildings have ever been in a similar situation, two hit by aircraft and one hit by a huge cloud of concrete debris?

Also judging this entirely on pictures is highly dubious, these things require study and understanding of materials, designs, blueprints- not only of the buildings but the collision objects also.

If you look at that picture how come the buildings around WTC 1,2 did not collapse but only WTC7? WHo cares who said what. With your own eyes. Take a look at the picture and see for yourself.

The whole point is jet fuel fire does not get hot enought to melt steel! The law of science says that this is impossible. If the water temperature is 60 degrees the water does not start to boil. This is another law of science.

They say it doesn't have to melt but only make it softer. And that is enough to make the building collapse. However I argue that it didn't get hot enought to even make steel softer.


This is good.

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

While I am not an engineer so I am not a specialist in this field. Just the fact that a number of engineers are critical to the US version makes it strange.

Google jet fuel fire. And you end up with alot of web results.

If it wasn't a set up you would have thought that they would atleast not clean the mess and ship the steel away ASAP like the US government did. Do you remeber how quick they were to point at someone? Then one of Bush's quotes was that there is no room for conspiracy?

These same people wrote a few years earlier through PNAC that a Pearl Harbour style attack is needed to boost millitary spendings. Need a Pearl Harbour? You have to be a nutcase to state in public that US needs a Peral Harbour.
 
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Once again, suicide bombing of civilians is cowardly behaviour. People in the military know their risk. It's easy to hide behind martyrs....
 
One should compare WTC complex to other buildings. There have been many steel framed strcutreds around the world which have caught fire but none has ever collapsed before or after 9-11. In some cases the buildings kept burning for hours. Days. But they still did not collapse.

Once again, suicide bombing of civilians is cowardly behaviour. People in the military know their risk. It's easy to hide behind martyrs....

Once again you are off topic. Please start a new thread.
 
There is something suspicious about the towers collapsing, and then the other building, #7, which we don't hear about in the U.S. Even if the fire was hot enough to destroy the buildings at the top, heat rises, so the parts below the fire wouldn't be hot.

I don't know, but there is something suspicious about how 9/11 could have happened in the first place. In the 9/11 Commission Report it showed that the Bush administration cut all kinds of funding for tracking the terrorists, when the Clinton administration had been keeping close tabs on them and even prevented a couple of planned attacks. During the Bush administration they got hold of one of the hyjacker's laptops (Mussoui), but didn't open it because of some regulation about privacy. If they had, they'd have seen the 9/11 plans. How could this have happened? How could they not look at a known terrorist's laptop, for heaven's sake??
 
Thank you Sarapva. 9-11 is very suspicious. For me it is WTC 7 which to me is very suspicious.

John Kerry has said.

I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion."

Silverstein said. Silverstein was the owner of the WTC complex.

We've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.

On September 9 2006, McPadden told an audience at the Community Church in New York City how while he was stationed in a Red Cross operations center, he was told that Building 7 was going to be brought down.

Alex Jones' Endgame

You down load the MP3 file and listen to him saying it. Silverstein said those things on CNN I think it was.

Architect Richard Gage "How the Towers Fell" (1 of 13)



More people need to start getting info from different channels and not only through the coorporate media.

IT IS NOT ANTI AMERICAN TO QUESTION 9-11!! IT IS PRO AMERICAN! 28% of Americans belive 9-11 was a set up according to a poll donducted by CBS.

Truth 9-11 Org. Is an organization consisting of engineers, architects and it is growing by millions each year.
 
The reason why it was a controlled demolishion is because it looks like a controlled demolishion! Its very straight forward thinking.

A fire melts steel? It can't. Thats the conspiracy. If it melts steel it does not make steel melt so that the building falls a symetrical. One part of the steel frame snatches or gets soft then you would think the building would tilt.

The owner of WTC has said it was a controlled demolishion. He said it live on TV.

Because people are so shook on emotional grounds they forget to think logical. Wake up!!
 
49% do drugs too, so I wouldn't go by that. And most can't even identify their state on a map. Just because people think something doesn't mean they are even close to being correct. The buildings were designed my a magnificent architect...I believe Japanese, and he made the buildings strong enough for a large plane of that era to crash into them, he hadn't figured on a wide bodied 767 heavy with fuel. He was so sad that they crumbled, but he said he was happy that they fell inward as he had designed them.
 
66% of Americans. Thats 2/3 rd thought Saddam had something to do with 9-11 at one stage and now we now he had no connection.
 
Minoru Yamasaki was the architect. He was a 2nd generation American of Japanese descent. Just thought I should do my homework! :)
 
% does mean something. 90% of the world thought the world was flat at one stage. Atleast Europeans did. But you are right % should not be the criteria. But a rational, scientific independent research is needed.

49% do drugs too, so I wouldn't go by that. And most can't even identify their state on a map. Just because people think something doesn't mean they are even close to being correct. The buildings were designed my a magnificent architect...I believe Japanese, and he made the buildings strong enough for a large plane of that era to crash into them, he hadn't figured on a wide bodied 767 heavy with fuel. He was so sad that they crumbled, but he said he was happy that they fell inward as he had designed them.

Source please. I think closer to 100% of people do drugs. Caffeine, alcohol, chocolate is also concidered drugs. You probably meant illeagal drugs in USA which again is different from illeagal drugs in Holland.
 
There is something suspicious about the towers collapsing, and then the other building, #7, which we don't hear about in the U.S. Even if the fire was hot enough to destroy the buildings at the top, heat rises, so the parts below the fire wouldn't be hot.
I don't know, but there is something suspicious about how 9/11 could have happened in the first place. In the 9/11 Commission Report it showed that the Bush administration cut all kinds of funding for tracking the terrorists, when the Clinton administration had been keeping close tabs on them and even prevented a couple of planned attacks. During the Bush administration they got hold of one of the hyjacker's laptops (Mussoui), but didn't open it because of some regulation about privacy. If they had, they'd have seen the 9/11 plans. How could this have happened? How could they not look at a known terrorist's laptop, for heaven's sake??

So structural damage caused by falling debris, or the shock waves from the two falling towers isn't to blame huh?

The Bush administration wasn't the only ones who cut corners. The Clinton administration did too. There were several key people pardoned, dropped off the list, and the like who were real threats to this country by Clinton. The Clinton administration also did their fair share of ignoring threats as well. The blame game goes around full circle starting back since the Cold War. I'm surprised that you think only now it all started with Bush. Oh how wrong you are. The problem lies much deeper than you think. This is something that will haunt the world for years to come, given that the world is still around in fifty years.

-Doc 🙂
 
A retired 27-year CIA analyst Ray Mc Govern who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents stated that there are indications that Cheney ordered a stand down of the military on 9/11

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3008938805735782363&hl=en

Francesco Cossiga – Former President of Italy (1985 - 1992) and Former Prime Minister.

Cossiga indicated his suspicion that the attacks presupposed some form of complicity within the US security system. The mastermind of the attack, Cossiga observed must have been a "sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel." As for Bin Laden, Cossiga added that "it is not thinkable that he did everything by himself."

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

The Pakistani President Musharaff don't believe it was bin Laden either. He was perhas a sponsor but not the master mind behind 9-11.

Here are just a few examples. There are alot more. There are alot of people out there who don't believe it was bin Laden and the main reason for it is because the official reporrt from 9-11 has so many flaws.

A good place to start is to demand a new independent investigation. There has not been one. THe best way to get a new independent investigation is actually to mobalise the American public which is why I am happy to see that

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469

Who is telling conspiracy theories?
 
911, Rare clip from USA Today



Fireman: "bomb in the building start clearing out"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928

Dying heroes, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1855050994689354420&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en

A transcript of 9-11 from a New York fire fighter.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Banaciski_Richard.txt

Peter Jennings stated "anyone who has ever watched a building being demolished on purpose knows that if you're going to do this you have to get at the under-infrastructure of the building to bring it down"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/911.abc.demolition.infrastructure.wmv

Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the World Trade Center, said in a PBS documentary that Building 7 was "pulled" on September 11th. "Pulling" is a construction industry term for "intentionally demolishing", as shown in this PBS interview discussing the demolition of world trade center building 6 many weeks after 9/11.

http://www.infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV
 
A 767 wide bodied jet filled with enough fuel to cross the United States IS an BOMB!
 
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