Class 3-D japan

[SushiShin]

Well me and Mars Man were debating and searching for the class that the Jdorama Gokusen mentioned, they use 3窶扼4窶枠 3-nen D-gumi as an example.

This classtype is mentioned for highschool students who aren't really rich or who are problemsome students or criminals.

Now i haven't found any resource about if this class really excists and Mars Man did his best to gather whatever he could.

Now could anyone aid us?

Me and Mars Man were also searching if it was Television or reality?
But one thing is sure, if it would excist then let it be as good as in the drama Gokusen I (the 2nd is also good but imho the 1st is much better) 6 teachers and a headteacher that helps them with their problems, even outside the school. Sometimes when i look to the drama, i wonder in myself that i wished that i was there in that class at that moment.
how sad to see that there isn't any class like this one.
Later on they will use the BR survival program on us (lol,)

Well, i hope somebody could gain more information for us, so please feel free to share anything you want, but i think MM is right, that class has still to invented or does it excist?

 

[Ewok85]

I'm not sure what you are asking, but..

Of the 4 schools where I have been a student, students are placed based on academic achievement within their year level - top students in class 1 (class A, 1組, etc), and the "worst" in the lowest class, with everyone else in between. Even schools themselves are segregated like this, where people who achieve high academic grades can pass the exams to get into "good" schools, generally private, or they can buy their way in, while low ranked schools would have students who do not score as well academically or cannot afford private/more expensive public schools.

While I'm sure there are schools where entire end-classes (highest number/letter) are people who don't want to study, or mess around to the detriment of their grades, what you are basing this on is, after all, a fictional story which is stretching the truth to make things entertaining.

 

[Mars Man]

Shin, though you are a little loose with your wording there, I'm not going to hold it against you in any way. I will just point out here, that in this area, it seems that there is no class lettering which goes lower than 'C'. That would not mean that all of Japan would have to be like that, but just that at least in the central Nagano area, there are no 'D' classes.

Also, those letterings are not used in general class titles nor by the students, really. Let's see how this plays out, but again, as I mentioned in Chat today, it is simply a TV drama. . . and to that extent, not necessarily a true reflection of the real world here.

 

[nice gaijin]

I'm not sure what the debate is about, but dramas like Gokusen and GTO are just that; drama. They're designed to tug at the heartstrings by making an exaggerated situation without departing so far from reality that it goes beyond the suspension of disbelief.

I wasn't aware that it was standard to stratify the classes by achievement levels, it seems like it might be kind of psychologically detrimental to the students to make their apparent abilities so easy to judge.

 

[diceke]

I wasn't aware that it was standard to stratify the classes by achievement levels, it seems like it might be kind of psychologically detrimental to the students to make their apparent abilities so easy to judge.

I wasn't aware of it either. How common is this practice?:?
I knew that some schools do that for certain subjects like maths and English, because students' abilities are so different.

 

[Mars Man]

I knew that some schools do that for certain subjects like maths and English, because students' abilities are so different.

I think that basically what it is, although the lectures are attended by a group--a class--and so that class seems to have that letter attached to it...although, like I said, it's not part of any title or anything, but the students usually seem to know it.

That is what I have gathered from the teachers and students I have talked to.

There is not really any debate, per se, nice gaijin san, but rather it was a subject matter (the 'D' level class) which had been presented while I had been chatting with Herbal Shin san, of which I had expressed no knowledge of and had doubted the existence of. I'm pretty sure the purpose of this thread was too get information about the possibility of there being such a class title somewhere in Japan.

 

[Ewok85]

Shin, though you are a little loose with your wording there, I'm not going to hold it against you in any way. I will just point out here, that in this area, it seems that there is no class lettering which goes lower than 'C'. That would not mean that all of Japan would have to be like that, but just that at least in the central Nagano area, there are no 'D' classes.
Also, those letterings are not used in general class titles nor by the students, really. Let's see how this plays out, but again, as I mentioned in Chat today, it is simply a TV drama. . . and to that extent, not necessarily a true reflection of the real world here.

I've been in a school that had 8 classes in the first grade (1-1, 1-2, etc) and another that was so big it had the school devided into "houses" which each had 3 year levels, with each year level in each house having around 6 classes (Approx 2500 students).

So that school had a 3-D (and a 3-E and 3-F)

 

[Mars Man]

Interesting. In that case, then, were the letters signifying academic aptitude, or were they simply for identification purposes such as 3-1, 3-2, 3-3, etc?

Here in Nagano, we just don't have such big schools, of course...we're on the roof, you recall. hee, hee, hee.....(way out in the sticks)

Thanks for that good input there !

 

[diceke]

Of the 4 schools where I have been a student, students are placed based on academic achievement within their year level - top students in class 1 (class A, 1窶枠, etc), and the "worst" in the lowest class, with everyone else in between.

I think juku is like that, but normal high schools? And why did you switch schools so many times?

 

[epigene]

At least in Tokyo, schools are classified and ranked by the general academic aptitude of their respective student bodies--this done by the high school entrance examinations. Some private schools with ambitious college preparation policies openly sort students by academic performance and career choices. Public schools in general (excluding the vocation-oriented and specialized high schools) make it a point to organize classes by distributing students with different aptitudes and personalities (based on reports received from junior high schools) evenly among the classes to make each class dynamic in makeup. I've heard of would-be problem students being quietly assigned to the "more competent" schoolteachers, but "dumping" delinquents into a single class is unheard of, since that will make the class impossible for the teachers to control.

In the high schools my kids went to (public schools), top academic performers and students with top athletic abilities, artistic talent, etc., were scattered among the classes (normally 8 classes in number) in a grade. One of my kids was in Class No. 8 (Hachi-kumi) with roughly 35 students during the last 2 years of high school (2-8 and 3-8). In this class, three of the students ranked in the top 5 of the entire grade. Everyone else was distributed widely in terms of school grades.

 

[SushiShin]

Thanks for your effort all, so if i'm correct it can excist? because i used to be in school 2-B but thats something else, dunno why i mention it here but yeah, back to topic.

I appreciate the comments, and about Jdrama's i only mentioned Gokusen because i wanted to share the feeling of friends and school, these day you don't see classes like that anymore, what is pity i think. Well yeah somewhere there will be a good class. I really wanna steal those highschool students their uniform (what's the name again for the boys and the girls?)

 

[Ewok85]

I think juku is like that, but normal high schools? And why did you switch schools so many times?

I was in a private high school for a week, a public school for a month and another private high school for a year. Its just how my schedule panned out.

And its not just juku, many high schools set the classes like that. Its usually called "streaming".

 

[diceke]

Thank you for the clarification. Streaming by academic ability is a boon for top students, but a bane for the rest.☝

 

[SushiShin]

So how's the uniform called?
and does it excist class 3-D?

 

[Ewok85]

Thank you for the clarification. Streaming by academic ability is a boon for top students, but a bane for the rest.☝

Its a boon for all students - they are taught at the level that they are capable of, not just the top students but all of the students can work at a pace that suits them best.

 

[pipokun]

The real 3-D, Saitama

A 15 year old student was arrested on the charge of assembling with offensive weapons, and the local police gave prosecutors the files on 21 students in total.
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Students testified the reason was that they were made fun of by the students and wanted to teach them a lesson.

Seized weapons
http://www.saitama-np.co.jp/news11/02/09x.jpg

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窶冕ﾅｽqﾂ青ｶ窶很窶堙ｧ窶堙債「窶堙寂?堋ｩ窶堙俄?堋ｳ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?畜ﾆ坦窶堙≫?堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｨ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堙≫?堙?集窶堙懌?堙≫?堋ｽﾂ」窶堙遺?堙??堙??ｹﾅｸﾂ述窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩﾂ。
http://www.saitama-np.co.jp/news11/02/09x.html

The compulsory education system ends at the junior highschool, but it is nearly impossible for Japanese kids to fail in the junior highschool and almost all people go to highschool now.
So there are many highschoolers from the Rubik's Cube champ to color gang , bosozoku, motorcycle gang, members, or the kids like the above in the highschool here.
So in a way, your idea, the 3-D, is not necessarily out of the point.

 

[SushiShin]

Thanks for sharing us the information!

My class is referred to this thread because its Class 3年 4組 (3th grade class 4)

 

[Noppin]

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for, but I can tell you the basic layout of the high school I'm attending in Gunma prefecture.

There are three grades, each divided into four classes (A-D). Classes B and D are a science/math focus, and A and C are a social studies/English focus. The students got to choose which focus they wanted, but because there are only four classes, a lot of students got pushed in to the social studies focus group.

As far as student interactions, there are bad kids and good kids. Two girls in my class usually get here around fourth period and sleep for the rest of the day. Several guys have abysmal grades, because they don't ever study, and sleep through class. There aren't so many bad things that are visible, although I'm pretty sure that some of them smoke. The good kids... are good kids. Not much to say about them.

The third years are a bit worse. About 1/5 of the third year boys in my school smoke, and several have been arrested / given extended suspension from school. One has died. My school isn't exactly in the nicest neighbourhood.

I find it boring. All of the students in my school are lazy, and nobody bothers to put any actual effort into anything, wether it's the school festival or clubs. Also, nobody goes anywhere on the weekends, and although I've invited people to go places with me, in the eight months that I've been here, I've only been invited out twice. Mixed feelings and such.

Oh, and the black guys uniforms are called gakuran. It seems that people are abandoning the Gakuran for the newer looking blazer getup.

 

[Ewok85]

In short, the j-dorama is a fictional story. But go to almost any public school and I'm sure you can find kids who smoke, get into trouble and would resemble the drama in some way. Thats just how it goes.