Kyuma apologizes, retracts comment on atomic bombing

[JimmySeal]

Ahh so in essance..its like the Japanese leaders bombed their own people right?

Yea, pretty much.

 

[frostyg02uk]

LOL LOL LOL LOL what a funny way of thinking. after all Japan knew that america had that top secret bomb and i guess that means that in the long run they wanted to be bombed in order to save lives.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Read in The International Heral Tribune

Abe; No plans to seek US apology for atomic bombings of Japan

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/02/asia/AS-GEN-Japan-Atomic-Bomb.php

Mr.Kyuma's words are in many newspapers from all over the world.
It is really amazing, that is why I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it all in the Asahi News.
Why on earth did he say such a thing, knowing that it were the A-bombs that made Japan a victim instead of an offender in WWII???
Because Russia attacted Japan after it was A-bombed? Was Russia too late to occupy the north of Japan? Had Stalin planned to occupy Japan?
It really would be interesting to look into the Russian archives.
And who knows what Mr.Kyuma knew that we don't know. History is absolutely fascinating.

 

[frostyg02uk]

Good points Elizabeth. I think its true that we know only what governments let us know. Dispite the usage of the A-bombs i dont see Japan as victims, only the innocent people that were unlucky enough to be born. id like to look through many countries achieves it would be interesting to see what they hide.

 

[caster51]

kyuma is really stupid, inability and idiot.

it was an evil practice of japanese Commies education.

as for the russian matter about that , he would be scorned by even kids because of sophistry。

Kyuma said in congress last year" american invasion of Iraq was a mistake"
of couese it is sure...

However, Ａbe did not dismiss him...
it means Abe is not a friend of USA.

abe's cabinet will be ended soon because of USA's strategy.
comfrot women problem is also one of strategy that take out Abe


I hope ASO is next

 

[Ewok85]

The director? sokka. His meaning doesnt matter but the point stays that the bombing wasnt to save lives.

My BS detector just went off the scale! Is that a "I don't give a damn about the facts, you will listen to my rant" I see there?

Im not sure if its your intention but are you suggesting that Hiroshima was fair revenge?

You have a major issue understanding the idea that Japan had declared war on the United States, laid the first blow, and was not standing down.

Isnt the answer of "those innocent people were not enolved" enough?

What of the 30million civilians that died throughout Asia at the hands of the Imperial Japanese forces?

Lets face facts - Hiroshima was the location of the Second General Army HQ. Hiroshima was a major industrial harbour town. Hiroshima was where most of the soldiers disembarked to go overseas and kill innocent civilians in countries throughout Asia.

Hiroshima was not some random town.

The schoolchildren had been evacuated in March (1945). Those remaining were (forced) to work for the government in assisting the military by working in factories or directly related positions. Those who remained were aware that their country was at war, and that Hiroshima was a target.

Does this reply mean that 2 wrongs make a right?

Of course not. But you are suggesting that this wrong forgives all other wrongs, to make the wrong-doers right.

To dull it down its like a gang member commiting a crime against your family and you going into their neighbourhood and petrol bombing a random home, not caring who you hurt or kill doing so.

Poor analogy - see why above.

Lets not forget that a bomb is a bomb. But an A-Bomb is one that poisins the land for years affects the next generations who in this age just crave for peace.

Tell me what the current levels of radiation are in Hiroshima, if they are dangerous, and just how long they were dangerous for. You are speaking out of the wrong orifice.

 

[Mikawa Ossan]

Calm down, guys. Keep it civil.

I really don't like closing threads, but I will do so if necessary.

 

[frostyg02uk]

Sorry if i offend you but its just my way. terrorists p1ss me off because instead of fighting the armies they bomb innocents. Ive never said once that America were wrong to defend themselves but i believe at that point in the war a nuclear bomb was not necessary. Maybe i just value human life more then others. If your aware of the story behind Oragami your also be aware that not all civilains had left the cities bombed.

Edit: sorry i missed your radiation question. Last i knew some babies are still being born with defects due to radiation. unlike Buildings that can be rebuilt the earth cannot.

 

[caster51]

Tell me what the current levels of radiation are in Hiroshima, if they are dangerous, and just how long they were dangerous for

also In their DNA as birth defect.

Lets face facts - Hiroshima was the location of the Second General Army HQ. Hiroshima was a major industrial harbour town. Hiroshima was where most of the soldiers disembarked to go overseas and kill innocent civilians in countries throughout Asia.

Hiroshima was not some random town.

The schoolchildren had been evacuated in March (1945). Those remaining were (forced) to work for the government in assisting the military by working in factories or directly related positions. Those who remained were aware that their country was at war, and that Hiroshima was a target

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they did not worry of civilian's life at all ??

 

[JimmySeal]

LOL LOL LOL LOL what a funny way of thinking. after all Japan knew that america had that top secret bomb and i guess that means that in the long run they wanted to be bombed in order to save lives.

Japan could have easily saved all the lives in Hiroshima by surrendering when they realized that they had no chance of winning the war and that continued battle would only mean more death, with no gain for them. Instead they went the other way, telling their people to arm themselves with sharpened bamboo poles and fight against soldiers toting firearms. There was no reason to assume that Americans would stop bombing cities, the way they did with Tokyo, so in effect, the Japanese government was writing a death warrant for its citizens, and as Ewok pointed out, there were those who were unwilling to stand down even after Americans decimated two of their cities with nuclear weapons.
The government willingly invited the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Japanese people for the sole purpose of avoiding surrender, and to that extent, one could say that the government bombed its own people.

 

[KirinMan]

they did not worry of civilian's life at all ??

Caster whether or not you want to accept the following is one thing, however it would help you to understand the reasons for the bombs being dropped by looking the the logistical nightmare and casualty projections, gleened from previous land battles with the Japanese Imperial Army to understand some of the reasons or rational behind using the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Remember the US never bombed Kyoto , as it was considered to be at that time as well as a cultural heritage site. The US had the capability at the time to turn the Japanese islands into a virtual wasteland. The rulers of Japan at the time choose not to surrender, they KNEW they were defeated but fought a war of attrition. However the US, even though sick of war was going to finish the job one way or the other.

Think about it, Nagasaki was 100% preventable it took getting hit over the head twice before the powers that be here in Japan decided that surrender was the only "honorable" way out of the predicament that they were in at the time.

The government willingly invited the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Japanese people for the sole purpose of avoiding surrender, and to that extent, one could say that the government bombed its own people.

Pride goith before the fall...or in the case of many Japanese the suicide.

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Well, if Japan had only signed the Treaty of Potsdam together with Germany in 1945,then there would never have been those horrible A-bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

But the order in Japan to all people was: "Fight until the last man".

 

[KirinMan]

Well, if Japan had only signed the Treaty of Potsdam together with Germany in 1945,then there would never have been those horrible A-bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
But the order in Japan to all people was: "Fight until the last man".

Elizabeth Japan was still at war with the "Allies" at the time of Potsdam and from what I remember of history of the time, were not included in the conference nor invited as well.

Japan was warned however from a declaration from the conference to surrender or face total anihilation.

 

[pipokun]

Google Kyoto Kushu (sorry not kyushu )
As Kyoto was the target, few air-raid, this was the same in Hiroshima & Nagasaki, but it was true there were rational Americans then.

 

[caster51]

Google Kyoto Kyushu
As Kyoto was the target, few air-raid, this was the same in Hiroshima & Nagasaki, but it was true there were rational Americans then.

kyuma resigned.
i really hate kyuma. is he a brain damege?
if I were him and when I resighn, I would say like this before that.

to all japanese, american surely dropped A-bomds to kill us indiscriminately in Japan.
in human history, it was the cruellest thing.
to tell the truth, I give up it as "shikataganai" to calm my mind becase of WAR.
I realized many civilians still hate them.
I am really sorry to say that..............................
USA was an evil ..

abe's approval rating will be UP?

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Elizabeth Japan was still at war with the "Allies" at the time of Potsdam and from what I remember of history of the time, were not included in the conference nor invited as well.
Japan was warned however from a declaration from the conference to surrender or face total anihilation.

Yes Obeika, that is what I meant. America asked them, pleaded the Japanese government to surrender, but alas they have refused. The Japanese men had to fight until the last man died. It was a "orders are orders" mentality, they all had to die for the Emperor of Japan.

But Japan was also busy with A-bombs,only America was further.

Nevertheless when I see an exhibition about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or a film of all those burnt people, I get tears in my eyes. It is really so horrible, so sad, so dramatic. I agree with Japan and most others of us in this world: "This must never happen again".

 

[caster51]

Remember the US never bombed Kyoto, as it was considered to be at that time as well as a cultural heritage site. The US had the capability at the time to turn the Japanese islands into a virtual wasteland. The rulers of Japan at the time choose not to surrender, they KNEW they were defeated but fought a war of attrition. However the US, even though sick of war was going to finish the job one way or the other.

it is natural to do that

Think about it, Nagasaki was 100% preventable it took getting hit over the head twice before the powers that be here in Japan decided that surrender was the only "honorable" way out of the predicament that they were in at the time

it was a same to kill.
why dont use a-bomd in Iraq to quit

The Emperor said to Tojo.
It is not necessary to use such a terrible weapon for winning

 

[Elizabeth van Kampen]

Kyuma apologizes

it is natural to do that
it was a same to kill.
why dont use a-bomd in Iraq to quit

But caster51, how can you say such a thing?
The Iraqi don't deserve an A-bomb at all!
Neither would I wish Japan an A-bomb from North Korea.

No more A-bombs please.

 

[caster51]

But caster51, how can you say such a thing?
The Iraqi don't deserve an A-bomb at all!
Neither would I wish Japan an A-bomb from North Korea

he would not understand it
thet are still braiwashed by american education

 

[pipokun]

Aso-Abe-Koike is the greater three top formation than counterproductive nitpickings.

 

[KirinMan]

abe's approval rating will be UP?

Which seems to be the only reason that Abe accepted his resignation in the first place. But then that is politics, if there wasnt an election coming up I'd be willing to bet that there would have been no thought given to resigning at all.

Oh well.

 

[frostyg02uk]

Has anyone seen gladiator with russel crowe? at the beginning one of the men says something like "people should know when they have been conquered" Russel replys " would you?"

I dont see this going in one direction or another. one side has their opinion that wont change as does the other i dont think we are even listening to each other anymore just blindly repeating our posts.

 

[JimmySeal]

Has anyone seen gladiator with russel crowe? at the beginning one of the men says something like "people should know when they have been conquered" Russel replys " would you?"

Yes, because we should base military policy on, and interperet history through, pop culture films.

In the movie, I believe Russel was referring to fighting to the end against people who intended to kill him, whereas refusing defeat in Japan`s case meant continuing to send other people to their deaths against a military that didn`t have any intention of fighting them in the first place.

 

[frostyg02uk]

Thats the way you have interpereted it. If i wanted you to hear my view i would of wrote it. the point is to make people think or maybe, just maybe try to understand the thoughts.
With the believe you have writen i dont think you know whcih part im talking about.

 

[KirinMan]

Thats the way you have interpereted it. If i wanted you to hear my view i would of wrote it. the point is to make people think or maybe, just maybe try to understand the thoughts.
With the believe you have writen i dont think you know whcih part im talking about.

However this isnt quite fair either. When you leave something open to interpretation to the reader without giving your opinion, that leaves it open for anyone to decide what or how it means to them.

I understand you wanting people to think, and if you had left you comment at that that and had not added anything after that I probably wouldn't have replied to your post here.

Now I would ask you to please share what "part" you are talking about so as not to misunderstand or assume something that may be incorrect. Thanks!