Cannibalism: fact or fantasy?
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Pararousia
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Soooo do you know why the cannibal didn't eat the comedienne?
Because he tasted funny.
Because he tasted funny.
lexico
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I guess they expected from the sexual identity for a feminine taste ! Yes, her jokes were way to MSP bashing hence distatseful.Pararousia said:
As for the Donner Party Disaster; it has been sadly discovered that under nutritional stress, males were more prone to deliver the last rescue service and/or become fodder. Nothing feminist or neo-sexist; just the physical build and social role playing dictated that to happen, and I am sure it had some role also in the course of human evolution. Observe the praying mantisse praying on her husband and the black widow spider too. For the hapless males and others who perished in the service of the species and its preservation, let us bow our heads in a moment of silence !
Pararousia
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My fork is ready, Lexico 
Rump roast, anyone?
Rump roast, anyone?
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Am I invited to the feast or to the roasting ceremony following the mating season ?Pararousia said:My fork is ready, Lexico
Can I at least have my last prayer following my last stick of smoke and cup of coffee ? :smoke: :gulp:
And I would prefer to take a good bath before I go so as to prevent food poisoning, and maybe take the new Swiss Mad Cow Disease test just to be on the safe side.
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It was at what? 10:55 this morning that this very interesting thread got off the table? So, the breakfast must have surely been finished by then, and snack time just around the corner. Hum...
I voted for the second last from bottom; many have. . . but it is only due to some articles and such that I've read, and I will dig those up (Scientific American, New Scientist) and see if there's any input which I can provide here that hasn't been touched on. You guys are really doing your homework, and that's just fantastic; makes me wanna run back to the book room. I'll get back with you all on this later. Please forgive my quick ducking out for a little while. See you in a couple of days or so. Mars Man
I voted for the second last from bottom; many have. . . but it is only due to some articles and such that I've read, and I will dig those up (Scientific American, New Scientist) and see if there's any input which I can provide here that hasn't been touched on. You guys are really doing your homework, and that's just fantastic; makes me wanna run back to the book room. I'll get back with you all on this later. Please forgive my quick ducking out for a little while. See you in a couple of days or so. Mars Man
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Well, back with that article now. It's in NewScientist,10 July '04 issue.
The following is what it get from it:
The article seems quick to point out that this has been a very polarized debate--"These controversial claims (in recent studies on genetic and biochemical evidence) have reignited a lively and highly polarized debate that stretches back several decades." (fourth paragraph) It has quotes from Timothy Taylor of the University of Bradford (UK) and White (for) and Bill Arens (against)of Stony Brook University (US). The article sways towards a 'does-new-evidence-support-the-pro?' stance with the study reported on in Science vol 300, p 640. That article deals with the Fore people of the remote highlands of Papua New Guinea, and kuru--a brain disease similar to BSE and CJD. John Collinge of University college London (UK)'s team, led by Simon Mead, studied the genetic effect of the disease knowing that some are more likely to contract it than others. People who have genes that code for the prion protein with both valine and methionine (heterozygotes) seem to be more resistant. (Nature,vol 352, p 340) The team analysed the genotypes of a large group of Fore people and compared it to data of 1000 other genotypes representing different ethnic groups from around the world. They found that three-quarters of the Fore women over 50 (the mortuary feasts were banned in the 1950s) were heterozygotes, and reasoned that it could be a case of 'balancing selection'. In analysed DNA samples from all these groups, it was found that heterozygotes were found in every population, suggesting that there has been wide-spead 'balancing selection'--in the team's eyes. The question the team asks is-- what has given us that resistance? Arens claims that the study is fundimentally flawed because of its being based on the assumption that the Fore were actually cannibals. The article ends on a very interesting, though somewhat sensational, note--that Armin Meiwes, arrested for eating some of the person he had met on the net, claiming that there were about 800 cannibals in Germany.
I really appreciate what lexico said about the readiness of secondary handlers of scholarly information to be swayed by time-dependent trends. That is one of my concerns too, as it relates to Scientism. I had voted for the 'many' catagory, but it was with some hesitation, and largely based upon this article. I feel the article stresses the 'the-jury's-still-out-on-this-one' enough, but still lets a little sensationalism in. As I said before, you who played the bigger role in this thread have really done your homework, and can probably tell me a lot more of details and other aspects of this subject.
The following is what it get from it:
The article seems quick to point out that this has been a very polarized debate--"These controversial claims (in recent studies on genetic and biochemical evidence) have reignited a lively and highly polarized debate that stretches back several decades." (fourth paragraph) It has quotes from Timothy Taylor of the University of Bradford (UK) and White (for) and Bill Arens (against)of Stony Brook University (US). The article sways towards a 'does-new-evidence-support-the-pro?' stance with the study reported on in Science vol 300, p 640. That article deals with the Fore people of the remote highlands of Papua New Guinea, and kuru--a brain disease similar to BSE and CJD. John Collinge of University college London (UK)'s team, led by Simon Mead, studied the genetic effect of the disease knowing that some are more likely to contract it than others. People who have genes that code for the prion protein with both valine and methionine (heterozygotes) seem to be more resistant. (Nature,vol 352, p 340) The team analysed the genotypes of a large group of Fore people and compared it to data of 1000 other genotypes representing different ethnic groups from around the world. They found that three-quarters of the Fore women over 50 (the mortuary feasts were banned in the 1950s) were heterozygotes, and reasoned that it could be a case of 'balancing selection'. In analysed DNA samples from all these groups, it was found that heterozygotes were found in every population, suggesting that there has been wide-spead 'balancing selection'--in the team's eyes. The question the team asks is-- what has given us that resistance? Arens claims that the study is fundimentally flawed because of its being based on the assumption that the Fore were actually cannibals. The article ends on a very interesting, though somewhat sensational, note--that Armin Meiwes, arrested for eating some of the person he had met on the net, claiming that there were about 800 cannibals in Germany.
I really appreciate what lexico said about the readiness of secondary handlers of scholarly information to be swayed by time-dependent trends. That is one of my concerns too, as it relates to Scientism. I had voted for the 'many' catagory, but it was with some hesitation, and largely based upon this article. I feel the article stresses the 'the-jury's-still-out-on-this-one' enough, but still lets a little sensationalism in. As I said before, you who played the bigger role in this thread have really done your homework, and can probably tell me a lot more of details and other aspects of this subject.
Sukotto
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eating deceased relatives
A couple weeks ago I caught a portion of a Wisconsin Public Radio
show on the very topic of cannibalism.
For Program On: Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 8:00 PM
Can we learn to love a cannibal? Should we? After eight, on Here on Earth Jean Feraca talks with U-W anthropologist Neil Whitehead about the persistence of cannibalism... from Richard the Lion-hearted to Hannibal the Cannibal.
Listen to Program from link at below web page
http://www.wpr.org/hereonearth/index.cfm?strDirection=Prev&dteShowDate=2005-08-13 14:00:00
One item I remember them talking about was one group of people that practiced eating the remains of deceased relatives.
It was the cultural norm. Not eating them and say putting
them in a hole in the ground would probably be as disturbing to them
as the cannibalism of relatives is to most of us.
A couple weeks ago I caught a portion of a Wisconsin Public Radio
show on the very topic of cannibalism.
For Program On: Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 8:00 PM
Can we learn to love a cannibal? Should we? After eight, on Here on Earth Jean Feraca talks with U-W anthropologist Neil Whitehead about the persistence of cannibalism... from Richard the Lion-hearted to Hannibal the Cannibal.
Listen to Program from link at below web page
http://www.wpr.org/hereonearth/index.cfm?strDirection=Prev&dteShowDate=2005-08-13 14:00:00
One item I remember them talking about was one group of people that practiced eating the remains of deceased relatives.
It was the cultural norm. Not eating them and say putting
them in a hole in the ground would probably be as disturbing to them
as the cannibalism of relatives is to most of us.
Oopsie - I kind of skimmed through the last couple posts at end of this thread, now I see you're ahead of me with the eating dead relatives and kuru. But I'll leave my post as is and check will go check out that site you mentioned!
Ok Sabro and Pararousia - sure hope I don't run into YOU in a dark alley. Well, I do have some factoids somewhere in my brain if I can find them. I've heard tale of 'love cannibals' = cannibals who eat their dead relatives. I can't remember exactly why - so the spirit lives on in them, or to make them a part of themselves - something like that but I need to check on that. Even so some of them found it disgusting, and spit it out or threw up after - from what I read.
Anyhoo, there is a disease called 'kuru', that was caused by such cannibalism in New Guinea, it's the same type of prion disease as Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease or scrapie in sheep or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, otherwise known as mad cow disease. The spongiform refers to a sponge-like condition - holes in the brain. I'm always watching documentaries or reading stuff about cannibals when they pop up, so I pick up a little here and there. (something you didn't know about little Limonette I'm sure
There are the occasional starving cannibals - like in the Donner Party and the airplane crash mentioned above. And then there's Jeffrey Dahmer - who wanted to make his victims part of himself. I suppose he could be called a twisted love cannibal, he also thought he might get some kind of thrill out of eating the flesh but he was mistaken. While in prison he put an announcement on the bulliten board for "Cannibals Anonymous". He had a sense of humor. I'm sure you all wanted to hear that. Here is an article I found about 'Kuru':
http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/bindon/ant570/Papers/McGrath/McGrath.htm
Ok Sabro and Pararousia - sure hope I don't run into YOU in a dark alley. Well, I do have some factoids somewhere in my brain if I can find them. I've heard tale of 'love cannibals' = cannibals who eat their dead relatives. I can't remember exactly why - so the spirit lives on in them, or to make them a part of themselves - something like that but I need to check on that. Even so some of them found it disgusting, and spit it out or threw up after - from what I read.
Anyhoo, there is a disease called 'kuru', that was caused by such cannibalism in New Guinea, it's the same type of prion disease as Creutzfeldt Jakob Disease or scrapie in sheep or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, otherwise known as mad cow disease. The spongiform refers to a sponge-like condition - holes in the brain. I'm always watching documentaries or reading stuff about cannibals when they pop up, so I pick up a little here and there. (something you didn't know about little Limonette I'm sure
There are the occasional starving cannibals - like in the Donner Party and the airplane crash mentioned above. And then there's Jeffrey Dahmer - who wanted to make his victims part of himself. I suppose he could be called a twisted love cannibal, he also thought he might get some kind of thrill out of eating the flesh but he was mistaken. While in prison he put an announcement on the bulliten board for "Cannibals Anonymous". He had a sense of humor. I'm sure you all wanted to hear that. Here is an article I found about 'Kuru':
http://www.as.ua.edu/ant/bindon/ant570/Papers/McGrath/McGrath.htm
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bossel
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A little bit more evidence of pre-historic cannibalism in Europe:
A 6,000-year Dales story of ritual and cannibalism...
Quote:
"Dated bones found in caves at the western edge of the limestone uplands have been taken as evidence of rituals that involved adult skulls and other body parts along with animal bones.
The macabre finds included human bones which have been smashed up and the marrow removed, leading specialists to conclude they had been at the centre of a cannibalistic ritual."
A 6,000-year Dales story of ritual and cannibalism...
Quote:
"Dated bones found in caves at the western edge of the limestone uplands have been taken as evidence of rituals that involved adult skulls and other body parts along with animal bones.
The macabre finds included human bones which have been smashed up and the marrow removed, leading specialists to conclude they had been at the centre of a cannibalistic ritual."
lexico
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Stretching on my limited imagination trained to be culturally neutral to the best of my ability, I admit, with due reservation, and with due precaution on the possible negative implication, that partaking of the corpus of a deceased kinsman/kinswoman by necessity should have been considered a postive thing in the past, moreover, a requirement imposed by certain (unknown) cultures of which we have nearly zero evidence (neither that it was not possible nor contemptible),......
I violently refuse to the black propaganda employed by politically minded anthropoloists with an enthnocentric, imperialist, colonialist, supremacist bent (I am not implicating my major interlocutor in this thread, Bossel, whom I hold highly respectable in all sincerity regarding pure reason, nor am I, by so saying, trying to prevent his refuting of this post) that,
"New World cannibalists deserved western civilisation as they were backward due to their cannibalist values by way of colonial rule so as to civilise them."
I violently refuse to the black propaganda employed by politically minded anthropoloists with an enthnocentric, imperialist, colonialist, supremacist bent (I am not implicating my major interlocutor in this thread, Bossel, whom I hold highly respectable in all sincerity regarding pure reason, nor am I, by so saying, trying to prevent his refuting of this post) that,
"New World cannibalists deserved western civilisation as they were backward due to their cannibalist values by way of colonial rule so as to civilise them."
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lexico
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Thank you, Carlson. I am genuinely honoured by your praise, and due attention to this grave matter that permeates modern society in the post-colonial era that is being reevaluated in the light of universal science.Carlson said:
There appears to be such a deep trench of ignorance to leap over, or to investigate into. ;-)
It is more than ignorance; bias is scarier than lack of information, for it kills. Sorry for appealing to your emotions, but I am only human.
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Brooker said:
I'm damned if anyone would fancy eating one or two of the enemies I've had in my day!
Uuuuuugh! The mere thought ....... (is there a smiley for "vomit" ?)
ジョン
Hmm, hard to say...
...I know cannibalism has been practiced in evry human culture at one time or another--but whether this was long term or just a passing fad I'm not sure.
Personally, I've never met a human I thought I could stomach--and there's plenty of tastier animals around
...I know cannibalism has been practiced in evry human culture at one time or another--but whether this was long term or just a passing fad I'm not sure.
Personally, I've never met a human I thought I could stomach--and there's plenty of tastier animals around
Cannibalism
origin is cannan PPL + Ba'al
Baal - Wikipedia
that was a kind of ceremony? . it was not for starvation like china in 三国志
origin is cannan PPL + Ba'al
Baal - Wikipedia
that was a kind of ceremony? . it was not for starvation like china in 三国志
Nana007
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I saw a special on it last night. It was talking about the Donner Party, a group of soldier who during the 60's and the whole bay of pigs thing were at sea for 19 days with no food and water and ate one of the soldiers who had died, and also about some bones found in caves in northern England where they found human bones from like 4900bc that had been slaughtered and cooked.
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