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表層筋痛 according to AI and somewhat implied in other places- this is the best translation but this term does not exist in any website. Whereas 表層筋 exists. What is the best translation for superficial muscle pain? According to my neurologist that is my condition but I would like to find a orthopedician actually good in this specialty.
 
cloa513 said:
according to AI and somewhat implied in other places- this is the best translation but this term does not exist in any website. Whereas 表層筋 exists. What is the best translation for superficial muscle pain? According to my neurologist that is my condition but I would like to find a orthopedician actually good in this specialty.
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Superficial muscle pain is a symptom rather than a condition. It's like 'headache' or 'tummy ache'. After training at the gym, I suffer from superficial muscle pain but it can be a symptom of…..fibromyalgia, sarcoma or many, many different conditions. Orthopaedics is a speciality that deals with bones/joints rather than muscles.

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筋肉痛 (kinnikutsū) does literally mean "muscle pain," and to my knowledge is used as we would say "sore muscles."
遅発性筋肉痛 (chihatsusei kinnikutsū) would be the direct translation of DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness)

I found an article on Japan Daily that talks about how to describe pain using some of the many onomatopoeia in Japanese:
The word itai meaning "painful" is one of the first words one picks up living in Japan. That versatile little word can be used in nearly all situations, but one visit to the doctor and it quickly becomes apparent that a much more nuanced vocabulary is necessary for describing pain. Consider when a doctor or dentist asks you to describe your pain in English. They might ask if your pain is dull or sharp, if it is throbbing or stinging or pounding or smarting. Likewise Japanese has a rich assortment of words to describe various types of pain. Mastering these can spare you figurative headaches, if not aid your literal headaches as well.

Like so many aspects of language, Japanese uses onomatopoeia to describe different types of pain. There are exceptions, such as the word shimiru(沁みる), meaning "to smart," but much more common are abstract sounds. Here are a few of the most common.
  • ズキズキ (zuki-zuki): Used for a throbbing sort of pain, this word can describe both sharp and dull aches, but is most commonly used for toothaches.
  • シクシク(shiku-shiku): This is usually, but not exclusively used to describe stomach pains. It describes dull, prolonged pain.
  • ガンガン(gan-gan): used almost exclusively for headaches, this word describes a "pounding" or "splitting" pain, as in "I have a splitting headache!"
  • キリキリ(kiri-kiri): This is used for sharp pains like stomach cramps, or that weird feeling when your lung sticks to your rib cage.
  • ピリピリ(piri-piri): Similar to the word "sting" in English, this word describes the sensation like you have been stuck with a needle.
  • チクチク(chiku-chiku): This pain is somewhat similar to "piri-piri" as it describes a stinging of burning feeling, but "piri-piri" is more for superficial injuries whereas "chiku-chiku" tends to be used for deeper sorts of pain. This word can also describe an itchy or uncomfortable feeling like chafing.
  • ドーン(dōn): This is a general way to state that a pain is dull.
  • キー(ki): By contrast, this is used for sharp pains.
  • キュー(kyū): This describes a sort of wrenching, or squeezing feeling like menstrual cramps.
An important point to note is that these words are most often used in combination with the verb suru (する） meaning "to do," so a typical usage might read like "歯がズキズキする" (ha ga zuki-zuki suru) or "my tooth is throbbing." Another way to construct these sentences is to add the phrase 'to itai'(と痛い) to the end. For example "歯がズキズキと痛い" (ha ga zuki-zuki to itai).

There are even more words than this, and in fact often times Japanese people will make-up their own. There is an organic sense for onomatopoeia among Japanese native speakers, but for people to whom Japanese is a second language, it may be difficult to get a natural sense of these words. Hopefully this list will get you through the hard part of your next visit to the clinic.
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source: https://japandaily.jp/describe-pain-japanese-doctor-3035/
 
Myofascial Pain Syndrome is apparently synonomus with superfcial muscle pain. 筋筋膜性疼痛症候群 and there some references to it in websites but websearching does a bad job of identifying them.
 
cloa513 said:
Myofascial Pain Syndrome is apparently synonomus with superfcial muscle pain. 筋筋膜性疼痛症候群 and there some references to it in websites but websearching does a bad job of identifying them.
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Ah that's far more specific although MPS lacks a consistent set of diagnostic criteria, something that a 'true' medical condition should have to be characterised.

It's symptoms are usually treatment with various painkillers from NSAID to opioids to GABApentin, tricyclics.

Good luck finding an appropriate, qualified physician to treat you and you should endeavour to do exactly what they recommend rather than listen to some random bloke on a Japanese cultural forum (regardless of how stunningly handsome he is) 🤓
 
cloa513 said:
Myofascial Pain Syndrome is apparently synonomus with superfcial muscle pain. 筋筋膜性疼痛症候群 and there some references to it in websites but websearching does a bad job of identifying them.
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Can you describe your symptoms for us anonymous web health experts? Perhaps instead of finding the right medical term for your issue, being able to describe how it feels, how severe the pain is, where you feel it, and if anything makes the situation better or worse.

I was just thinking I should go back to school and get a PhD just for the appeal to authority 🥸
 
You can't do much worse than Japanese doctors who rarely do any diagnostics beyond consultation. visual with bare eyes, X-rays or blood tests.
The condition used to vary with periods of several days with no pain and rarely slight pain while at work with pain when lying on bed or floor. It was always around my waist on both sides with it extending onto my butt. The pain was mild but would at times would remain while lying down trying to sleep. I am very sensitive. I am moderately tall quite strong man. Other than chronic belching and some problematic joints, I am really healthy.
Then I weighed 85kg. Now I weight 80 kg after very low energy diet and the condition is a lot worse. I am flabby around the waist with an apple shaped body. I can only wear extremely loose underwear and shorts without waist elastic. I got perscribed LOXONIN Shippa last and they help to allow me to tolerate more underwear.
 
cloa513 said:
Doubtful I had the precursors- Current workouts are pretty mild- I use 8 kg barbells for 10 minutes a day.
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To do what? Lifting 8kg with you tongue is pretty intense! 😉
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I don't have some of the symptoms.
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You don't have to have all the symptoms to have a condition. Some people don't have any chest pain when they're having a myocardial infarction!

My suspicion is in the absence of a definitive diagnoses, your symptoms will, eventually, subside. Try not to dwell on it, keep yourself busy to take your mind off your pain and try to be positive.

Personally, I think heavy, progressive weight training is a cure all; even broken bones. I once met a woman who regrew her decapitated head thanks to heavy, progressive weight training and you know what? it's skin was smoother than her previous head. She's thinking about chopping off her body to regrow a new wrinkle-free body, but doesn't know how she'll do heavy weight training without a body 🤷🏾
 
If you can find a good one, chiropractors can help with a lot of these kind of issues. Hard to find a good one in the U.S. let alone Japan.
I don't go to one regularly now but I used to crack my neck for years and in one visit he reset my skull on top of my spine so that I no longer could crack my neck like that.

Of course in Japan you could try acupuncture. I tried that in Japan too, mainly for the experience/relaxation not necessarily to solve a specific problem. I guess I had hoped it might help with nerve damage from a wisdom tooth extraction but it didn't (and he never claimed it could).
 
Don't you have 'bone setters' in Japan? I seems all the early martial arts masters were bone setters. What is a bone setter?

Chiropractors are considered alternative medicine here and viewed by many as quackery. A few years ago, the British Chiropractic Association was successfully sued in the high courts by a science journalist and the BCA had to remove many of their (false) claims from their website etc. Neck cracking is very dangerous and increases the risk of stroke as the vertebral arteries that run in narrow channels on either side of the neck, can be damaged in the process and produce clots. The only thing you'll definitely get out of a chiropractor is another appointment 😉

It sounds like you have a severed V3 part (mandibular branch) of trigeminal nerve (cranial nerve five) and possibly the lingual nerve (if you've lost taste sensation (chorda tympani) and touch sensation to the anterior two thirds of your tongue. It emerges from the inner surface of the mandible nerve via the mandibular foramen (a hole) very close to where the wisdom teeth are situated. Wiggling the tooth about can damage the mandibular branch of trigeminal.

Ahhh I loved teaching this stuff in the old days…🥹
 
Ukigumo said:
Don't you have 'bone setters' in Japan? I seems all the early martial arts masters were bone setters. What is a bone setter?

Chiropractors are considered alternative medicine here and viewed by many as quackery. A few years ago, the British Chiropractic Association was successfully sued in the high courts by a science journalist and the BCA had to remove many of their (false) claims from their website etc. Neck cracking is very dangerous and increases the risk of stroke as the vertebral arteries that run in narrow channels on either side of the neck, can be damaged in the process and produce clots. The only thing you'll definitely get out of a chiropractor is another appointment 😉

It sounds like you have a severed V3 part (mandibular branch) of trigeminal nerve (cranial nerve five) and possibly the lingual nerve (if you've lost taste sensation (chorda tympani) and touch sensation to the anterior two thirds of your tongue. It emerges from the inner surface of the mandible nerve via the mandibular foramen (a hole) very close to where the wisdom teeth are situated. Wiggling the tooth about can damage the mandibular branch of trigeminal.

Ahhh I loved teaching this stuff in the old days…🥹
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I was the one cracking my neck by moving it from side to side. He didn't fix it by cracking it. Though he does do a maneuver maybe similar to the one you're warning about.

The tongue nerve damage isn't severe ie I still have taste and touch sensations. It's calmed down a bit over the years but easiest way to describe it is that a touch sensation on one side is similar to how it feels when you touch a weak 9v battery to your tongue.
 
mdchachi said:
I was the one cracking my neck by moving it from side to side. He didn't fix it by cracking it. Though he does do a maneuver maybe similar to the one you're warning about.
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mdchachi said:
The tongue nerve damage isn't severe ie I still have taste and touch sensations. It's calmed down a bit over the years but easiest way to describe it is that a touch sensation on one side is similar to how it feels when you touch a weak 9v battery to your tongue.
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Have you tried heavy, progressive weight-training 😑
 
Ukigumo said:
Don't you have 'bone setters' in Japan? I seems all the early martial arts masters were bone setters. What is a bone setter?

Chiropractors are considered alternative medicine here and viewed by many as quackery. A few years ago, the British Chiropractic Association was successfully sued in the high courts by a science journalist and the BCA had to remove many of their (false) claims from their website etc. Neck cracking is very dangerous and increases the risk of stroke as the vertebral arteries that run in narrow channels on either side of the neck, can be damaged in the process and produce clots. The only thing you'll definitely get out of a chiropractor is another appointment 😉

It sounds like you have a severed V3 part (mandibular branch) of trigeminal nerve (cranial nerve five) and possibly the lingual nerve (if you've lost taste sensation (chorda tympani) and touch sensation to the anterior two thirds of your tongue. It emerges from the inner surface of the mandible nerve via the mandibular foramen (a hole) very close to where the wisdom teeth are situated. Wiggling the tooth about can damage the mandibular branch of trigeminal.

Ahhh I loved teaching this stuff in the old days…🥹
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you'd be looking for a 接骨院, sekkotsuin. I know a good one in the Nagoya area.
 
Ukigumo said:
Personally, I think heavy, progressive weight training is a cure all; even broken bones. I once met a woman who regrew her decapitated head thanks to heavy, progressive weight training and you know what? it's skin was smoother than her previous head. She's thinking about chopping off her body to regrow a new wrinkle-free body, but doesn't know how she'll do heavy weight training without a body 🤷🏾
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You should ask that lady if she knows what happened to her decapitated head. It's possible that her old head now has regrown a new body, especially if she kept to her tongue exercise regimen.
 
Ukigumo said:
Having looked them up, a seikotsunin appears to be mixture of physiotherapist/osteopath/chiropractioner.
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Yeah more or less, I think osteopath is probably the closest but it was a bit of a mix of things. He gave me an exam once and it was mostly palpating around my back and checking out how my bones were aligned
 
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