Yoshiki

[SaKeVi]

☝ ok well I MUST agree AGAIn with Child_prey, I agree that all of them, each member of X had his own little head and little neurons to think and act the way they wanted, because honestly, I dont think an average person that age would let other's manage them and obey like little doggies, I mean no one is a slave!! yeah! maybe Yoshiki took that "boss" attitude BUT were the other members mute?? I dont think so , if they didnt like the ideas Yoshiki had, Im sure they would have said something. And making Yoshiki guilty for everything that happened to X, thats just st00pid, again, he wasnt dealing with little defenseless kids, but with grownup men, and like it or not, at the end music will always be a business, and its all about money; the diference is some musicians just do stupid things to get more fans AND more money; others get fans because they fight and put their heart and soul when creating music. X deserves all the fans they have

Yup, you said that girl (and I put that with black words)

Even they were not stupid guys, in the end they finished obbeying reccomendations from managers... that was "stay in X, that will give you enough money and fame to do your OWN music on a side project band".

Some also stayed for personal reasons (as I explained) and others because they were a 0 on the left in japanese music scene (*cof* Heath... *cof*) and the band fame let them be somebody in music, even if they had to deal with Yoshiki's ego and superiority complex.

Crap, that shows too how they took those "feelings and soul in every song" just as a job, and not a passion

Still I think that this conversation will never have an end if we continue like this!

Yeah, I know... I'm still thankful that this is a discussion forum, believe me, if this were a fan forum, I will not be here.

SaKeVi-> Ok u have your own opinion, your own little world and little mind just like the rest of us, you hate Yoshiki San to death OK! fine, no one is trying to change your opinion, BUT I feel like you are trying to convince ppl that he sucks, IM SO SORRY but at least in my case I respect your thoughts, but Im old enough to decide if I like him or not.

I'm just saying that he isn't the pretty sissy angel that everybody think he is

AND dunno if you said this somewhere in this thread, but, where do you get all that info?? you speak as if you were living with the X members through all their career and know exactly what their personalities and thoughts were, I must accept Im very surprised! and Im really curious about that

Roadies, live gigs owners and friends of the band have the best place in the world to see how's the life in a music band... guess what?? I've met and talked with some of them

Oh in the case of screaming fangirls, yeah lots of them liked X because of the sexy drummer and cute guitarist mentioned before BUT there were others, including me, who like X because of the music they created, I really dont care if Yoshiki is sexy or not, or if hide sama was/is cute or not, as I said before if I admire them is because of the music and nothing more

Those b*tches were the one that made them rich and famous... ad they did also with Luna Sea, Glay, L'arc en Ciel etc etc. X disbanded and they just found another band or artist to put every yen on it; why do you think Yoshiki is still a huuuuuge artist while the other guys play music in small live gigs like Rokumeikan or Loft??

That little bastard knows where to put his image, NOT his soul... and therefore he knows where that big market called fangirls will put their yens and dollars.

I also ended hating his music: boring, repetitive and mellow, just as the doctor prescribed, for all the fangirls pleasure.

But anyways I will be the third person saying this: YOU don't like him but I do. Fair enough. It's a free world.

Great

P.S. A legendary band??? I must accept i second that

I give everybody what they really deserve; I'm not blind

 

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

I give everybody what they really deserve; I'm not blind

good good....

 

[XwY]

Hey saveki.i think u are a bit....dunnoe wat.u said tat u play drums ''better'' than him,and said tat his piano suck or watever..and making money out of it..but nothing shows tat u are better than him.wat u talk are craps.... can u compose song like him?? if he dun make money with it,when he is famous,isn't he stupid??can u make X-japan as famous as him??can u make money with x-japan like him?do u have the looks??yoshiki had the brain to make x-japan famous...gaining fame he can earn loads of money....if without yoshiki.i dun think x-japan can be as famous as now...and this forums will not have threads on x-japan..and u will not be able to flame yoshiki..and yes he make money using x-japan...every singer would like to be famous...gain lots of fame and sell loads of CDs,DVDs...isn them making money with it? come on saveki..get a life...if u really are better than yoshiki in drum,can u play piano?? can u make x-japan so successful?? can u compose music like him??and do you have tat brain to make money???

 

[hideto_matsumoto_RIP]

Hey saveki.i think u are a bit....dunnoe wat.u said tat u play drums ''better'' than him,and said tat his piano suck or watever..and making money out of it..but nothing shows tat u are better than him.wat u talk are craps.... can u compose song like him?? if he dun make money with it,when he is famous,isn't he stupid??can u make X-japan as famous as him??can u make money with x-japan like him?do u have the looks??yoshiki had the brain to make x-japan famous...gaining fame he can earn loads of money....if without yoshiki.i dun think x-japan can be as famous as now...and this forums will not have threads on x-japan..and u will not be able to flame yoshiki..and yes he make money using x-japan...every singer would like to be famous...gain lots of fame and sell loads of CDs,DVDs...isn them making money with it? come on saveki..get a life...if u really are better than yoshiki in drum,can u play piano?? can u make x-japan so successful?? can u compose music like him??and do you have tat brain to make money???

i TOTALY agree with you...

 

[SaKeVi]

i TOTALY agree with you...

Oh look, that's something you haven't said before, right??

Hey saveki.i think u are a bit....dunnoe wat.u said tat u play drums ''better'' than him,and said tat his piano suck or watever..and making money out of it..but nothing shows tat u are better than him.wat u talk are craps.... can u compose song like him?? if he dun make money with it,when he is famous,isn't he stupid??can u make X-japan as famous as him??can u make money with x-japan like him?do u have the looks??yoshiki had the brain to make x-japan famous...gaining fame he can earn loads of money....if without yoshiki.i dun think x-japan can be as famous as now...and this forums will not have threads on x-japan..and u will not be able to flame yoshiki..and yes he make money using x-japan...every singer would like to be famous...gain lots of fame and sell loads of CDs,DVDs...isn them making money with it? come on saveki..get a life...if u really are better than yoshiki in drum,can u play piano?? can u make x-japan so successful?? can u compose music like him??and do you have tat brain to make money???

Well, after reading your message 7 times, I could barely understand something, so:

1.- My nick is SaKeVi.

2.- If my speech is crap, you shouldn't care about this and you must continue screaming like fangirl to a paper idol like Yoshiki...

3.- I'm not a musician, I have 2 master degrees and take music as a hobby... I'm good at what I'm doing, just as supposely Yoshiki is "good" at music.

4.- If you don't know me, your whole speech is just as you said:

wat u talk are craps....

5.- I make my money with music, just as I said, I take it as a "hobby", but that doesn't mean I'm not involved in music industry and music scene, as Mexican music and Japanese music... so, as I said, if you don't know me, that's a big mistake of you to speak crap of me.

6.- Believe me, if I have a big band someday, I will not sell it as a prostitute, just as Yoshiki did... maybe he likes that so much, just remember how he used to dress on stage, so, that probably was the whole concept behind X: the ***** band.

7.- Come on unknown guy, play an instrument, and you will agree with me that his drums skills are so f*cking poor...

8.- Come on unknown guy, be in music scene and understand what I'm saying...

9.- Come on unknown guy, get a life and stop b*tching here, I can support what I'm saying, and you just came as a fanboy that doesn't want to believe what I've posted here...

10.- I've met X members, have you??

Judge: I rest my case...

 

[You_Too]

This topic has been fun to read, haha!
Sakevi, you really hate Yoshiki, don't you?
Maybe you've wasted your time collecting such a lot
of X videos?

I must say I partly understand Sakevi.
Yoshiki is far from the best drummer there is, though I still think
he is a really cool guy, with a cool style.
I know he did a lot of stupid stuff through the years just to gain
fans and make money, but a lot of famous musicians do that.
Speaking of drums, my favourite drummer in the world is Thomas Lang.
That's a guy who knows how to play!

Anyway, I prefer the pre-X-Japan-era too, just like you Sakevi.
The concerts in 1994-1997 were mostly repetitive I guess, especially
after 1994. But from what I've seen and heard of the 1993 concerts, those
are really good for being from the X-Japan-era. Art of life is performed,
hide makes a new solo show, Orgasm is much more interesting,
especially the middle-part!

hide is actually my favourite member of X. He was never repetitive!
I wish I could see more of hide in Saber Tiger some day... From what
I've seen, those shows are truly great!

 

[SaKeVi]

Maybe you've wasted your time collecting such a lot
of X videos?

I don't think so... Most of the videos I have are from their X era, and definitely, that's their best era.

Anyway, I prefer the pre-X-Japan-era too, just like you Sakevi.
The concerts in 1994-1997 were mostly repetitive I guess, especially
after 1994. But from what I've seen and heard of the 1993 concerts, those
are really good for being from the X-Japan-era. Art of life is performed,
hide makes a new solo show, Orgasm is much more interesting,
especially the middle-part!

That's true, in 1993 they changed their performance on stage, and that was cool to see at first, but just at first; then, it became boring and repetitive.

I wish I could see more of hide in Saber Tiger some day... From what
I've seen, those shows are truly great!

I think you've already seen Nick from Saber Tiger somewhere in internet, he's such a "japanese cat" hahahaha.

And if you haven't, send me a PM and I'll tell you where to find him

 

[You_Too]

I think you've already seen Nick from Saber Tiger somewhere in internet, he's such a "japanese cat" hahahaha.

I've seen part of a live video from 1985. Nick is cool!
And hide too of course...

By the way Sakevi, have you heard the rehearsal from Tokyo Dome 1994,
where X played Break the darkness?
Too bad they didn't perform it at the concerts!

 

[SaKeVi]

I've seen part of a live video from 1985. Nick is cool!

Have you spoken with him?? He could give you a DVD from that concert, but he sucks speaking english hahaha.

By the way Sakevi, have you heard the rehearsal from Tokyo Dome 1994,
where X played Break the darkness?
Too bad they didn't perform it at the concerts!

Yup, I've heard it, that Dahlia-Scars-break the darkness combination is awesome =P

Haven't you seen them performing Break The Darkness live?? I'm going to upload 2 songs from 1987 to Youtube (Install and I'll Kill You) but I could change one of them... those are from the most known indies videos (Shadow of X)

Also, I uploaded 2 other songs to Youtube, check the X threat =P

 

[You_Too]

Have you spoken with him?? He could give you a DVD from that concert, but he sucks speaking english hahaha.

Oh, I didn't realize that was actually Nick!
I've sent him a pm, but he hasn't replied.
You don't happen to have his email adress?

Haven't you seen them performing Break The Darkness live??

I've seen it. I have some of their indies shows on dvd.
I love the song No connexion!

 

[Child_prey]

SaKeVi:
I was planning to write a long reply some time ago but I don't feel like it so I will just end this with these words:
I know that Yoshiki isn't the nices man on this earth. I know that he treated his band mates worse then they deserved but he is a business man first and a friend second, unfortunately. And if you want to gain that type of succes that he gained you have to be egoistic and think only of yourself and the things that will gain you. I'm not saying that he did a good thing, you can be a democratic leader and still gain whatever you want to gain but that is a matter of personality and taste, that is just the type of person he is.
You often hear that in order to gain succes you have to give up some things life like friends, family and your sparetime... I suppose that he did just that.
But what I admire about him is the fact that he never gives up. He has a goal and he strives for it - and then reaches it. He gets what he wants.

About fangirls; ALL bands have fangirls. If there is a remotely cute band member in that band there will always be fangirl-devils waiting on him on the other side of the door. It's not like Yoshiki is the only one that got popular that way...

I think I will end it with that. I've said what I wanted to say.

 

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I really don't understand this anti-fan phenomenon. I mean, if you hate someone's guts so much why take the time out of your day to post about them obsessively? That's time I'd think one would rather spend enjoying an artist they like. I guess not. It's really a shame, anti-fans make it very difficult for actual fans to talk about artists or just hold any kind of intelligent conversation.

But let's get back to, ya know, who this topic is about, YOSHIKI. Anybody got any new exciting news about Yoshiki they'd like to share?

 

[SaKeVi]

Child_prey, I really appreciate your comment, thanks for posting it

SaKeVi:
I know that Yoshiki isn't the nices man on this earth. I know that he treated his band mates worse then they deserved but he is a business man first and a friend second, unfortunately.

Sorry for doing this, but first it was the opposite:

As all of we know, he met Toshi since they were little kids, and he also met Taiji before he joined X, Yoshiki used to live with Taiji when he was in Dementia, and they were good friends too before all the business stuff showed up in Yoshiki's mind.

In the end, the true fact is that he preferred business rather than friendships...

I really don't understand this anti-fan phenomenon. I mean, if you hate someone's guts so much why take the time out of your day to post about them obsessively? That's time I'd think one would rather spend enjoying an artist they like. I guess not. It's really a shame, anti-fans make it very difficult for actual fans to talk about artists or just hold any kind of intelligent conversation.

You shouldn't try to understand it, or at least don't make much effort to discover it.

What it is really a shame is the fact that those fans create an unique atmosphere around their favorite artist that they can't handle true facts about them... so, are you talking about intelligent conversations?? this forum is full of "intelligent" comments as "OMG he is so pretty" "they are the best band ever" "I love _____ (put your favorite singer there)" and so on.

Maybe you just have to understand that this is a DISCUSSION FORUM, and here you will see both positive and negative opinions about something; if you can't handle it, that's a real shame.

The difference here is that you stick to your opinion just by idealizing how he would be in real life (or how you want him to be). I stick to my opinion by true facts that I've been told by people that worked with him and others that somehow where part of his life.

How dissapointing, the true will not make us free.

 

[Child_prey]

Sorry for doing this, but first it was the opposite:
As all of we know, he met Toshi since they were little kids, and he also met Taiji before he joined X, Yoshiki used to live with Taiji when he was in Dementia, and they were good friends too before all the business stuff showed up in Yoshiki's mind.
In the end, the true fact is that he preferred business rather than friendships...

Right and now he is mr nice guy who wants to please his fans (nothing wrong with that, I'm pretty fed up with those bands who threat their fans like crap...) but he is narcisistic so it's only a show... I am well aware of this. *bitter smile*

"OMG he is so pretty" "they are the best band ever" "I love _____ (put your favorite singer there)" and so on.
Maybe you just have to understand that this is a DISCUSSION FORUM, and here you will see both positive and negative opinions about something; if you can't handle it, that's a real shame.
The difference here is that you stick to your opinion just by idealizing how he would be in real life (or how you want him to be). I stick to my opinion by true facts that I've been told by people that worked with him and others that somehow where part of his life.
How dissapointing, the true will not make us free.

But... he is pretty!
Not everyone can have the exakt same opinion about things, if that were the case the world would look a whoooooole lot different. Maybe better but probably boring. hehe
Well SaKeVi, I feel that our discussion was pretty good. You made your point and I made mine. Thanks for a good fight. *shakes SaKeVis hand*

 

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Tell me, SaKeVi-san, just how do you know exactly what my opinion is on Yoshiki? And I've said ever, ever, and ever that I know he is HUMAN and makes mistakes and can be a royal a-hole. I don't believe he is "God" or "perfect" or whatever else it is that you're superimposing onto my views.

Secondly, just what is fact? There are always multiple sides to a story and facts get misconstrued and mixed in with fabrications and rumors. It's very difficult to reach the real "truth of the matter" when dealing with celebrities. In the end, the only people that know the truth are the artists themselves and sometimes even then I wonder.

About discussion, you don't discuss, honey, you mock. Discussion - definition - "Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation. A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition." I have yet to see you "discuss" anything.

And lastly, I have yet to see you give any real proof to back up most of your over-the-top statements.

 

[SaKeVi]

But... he is pretty!

He's skinny

Not everyone can have the exakt same opinion about things, if that were the case the world would look a whoooooole lot different. Maybe better but probably boring. hehe

You're right.

But hey, just as hyde... did in her yesterday's post: she hated haters, so which side is she in??

Well SaKeVi, I feel that our discussion was pretty good. You made your point and I made mine. Thanks for a good fight. *shakes SaKeVis hand*

I prefer a hug

Tell me, SaKeVi-san, just how do you know exactly what my opinion is on Yoshiki? And I've said ever, ever, and ever that I know he is HUMAN and makes mistakes and can be a royal a-hole. I don't believe he is "God" or "perfect" or whatever else it is that you're superimposing onto my views.

So, you don't have an opinion about him??

And those words like "god" were shot to fangirls that I'm sure are watching or watched this threat someday... if you want to enter to that crappy bag it's your choice.

Secondly, just what is fact? There are always multiple sides to a story and facts get misconstrued and mixed in with fabrications and rumors. It's very difficult to reach the real "truth of the matter" when dealing with celebrities. In the end, the only people that know the truth are the artists themselves and sometimes even then I wonder.

When I heard more than 10 people saying the same thing I start to believe it as a true fact... as I said before, I don't take my opinions from another forum, I take them from people who are o were involved in music scene, and believe me girl, I know TONS of them.

And well, as I said in a threat somewhere here, I met Taiji "indirectly" years ago, eventhough he will not talk sh*t about X, I heard interesting stuff from their tours in 80's and 90's.

About discussion, you don't discuss, honey, you mock. Discussion - definition - "Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation. A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition." I have yet to see you "discuss" anything.

Bleh, I just have to say thanks to the people that has thanked me for telling them unknown stuff about their favorite band. At least my mocking attitude helped someone here

And lastly, I have yet to see you give any real proof to back up most of your over-the-top statements.

Would any proof be enough for you?? I mean, I'm sure that if I bring someone here to back up my opinion, you will put a scream in the sky arguing it's a lie. Or probably you want me to show up in your house with roadies, live gig owners and musicians that shared stage, backstage and even apartments with band members...

Well, I don't really give a damn if you believe me or not, many people has asked me that forever, and the ones that are in my msn had already seen what I'm saying it's true. I already proved them my "over-the-top statements".

Take care, it was really boring to talk with you

 

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

I can't change you, you can't change me. Dead issue. Could we act like mature people for two seconds and just move on please?

 

[Lady Blue]

I'm not a defendor of Yoshiki cos I don't ADORE HIM like some. I only recognize what he has and don't make a storm in a glass of water upon his mistakes, cos he's human after all. He pulled the band together and he could've torn it apart whenever he wanted as well, but so the other member could have and so they did... look at Toshi.
I respect the man as a composer and great musician, and I like his piano playing better than his drumming, but I don't think his drumming is that bad. Giving it all for your band isn't crap either, and his injures can prove his devotion even if they meant nothing to others.
You can love him, you can hate him, I dn't care cos I don't do any of those. He's a great man after all, despite his anger management problems, and he's old enough now as to know what he's doing and what he's wronged in the past. Let the man be... Past is past, at least we should expect he can be better now.

 

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Lady Blue, I. love. you. I just wish I had the control to not get flustered over people bad mouthing Yoshiki. Actually, it's not that I mind that people hate him but, I mean, if I hate an artist or a band than I just ignore them and don't post about them. 'Cause the fans of that band/artist deserve to be left in peace to be fans. What I don't like is when it becomes impossible to so much as TALK about the band/artist without getting slammed and/or being personally attacked. That's just my opinion though.

 

[SaKeVi]

Bleh, so what's the point for start posting the same crap in every forum you'll see??

"he's good, he's this, he's that..."

Now I can see that some people here hate to be taken out from their boring routine of praising paper idols, the same thing happened when I tried to argue in Dir en Grey topic... if I become annoying is just because I play the same game of those users that apparently don't want to accept my posts here.

Ok, Yoshiki is god... all of you will be dissapointed if you know him for true, from now on I will not try to kill your teenage dreams of a perfect guy.

He's a human

He's an assh*le, that's for sure.

Anyways, I'm preparing a surprise, I think all of you will be happy, I know I will be...

 

[Hyde_is_my_anti-drug]

Why it that simply liking someone, or at least not hating their guts, must equal idol worship and SUGOI fangirling?

And besides, if you hate something, think it's dumb, has no value, whatever saying that to a bunch of fans isn't exactly the best way to get your opinion heard. They're FANS, of COURSE they don't wanna hear it, just like anti-fans don't wanna hear fans gush over something.

And sometimes it's not that fans don't agree with some of the things anti-fans say but the way a lot of anti-fans present their opinions makes it bloody impossible not to get riled up.

Fans love an artist in spite of or even because of their faults. It's not that they are blind (granted, some of them are) they just love the artist anyway.

 

[Lady Blue]

Bleh, so what's the point for start posting the same crap in every forum you'll see??
"he's good, he's this, he's that..."
Now I can see that some people here hate to be taken out from their boring routine of praising paper idols, the same thing happened when I tried to argue in Dir en Grey topic... if I become annoying is just because I play the same game of those users that apparently don't want to accept my posts here.
Ok, Yoshiki is god... all of you will be dissapointed if you know him for true, from now on I will not try to kill your teenage dreams of a perfect guy.
He's an assh*le, that's for sure.
Anyways, I'm preparing a surprise, I think all of you will be happy, I know I will be...

What's the point? There isn't really one. Is just like when you like to watch a movie over and over and over again. No point, really.

he's an ***.. well, that's part of being human, you know? Some people around here that has read your post might just be thinking the same, but that doesn't make you a horrible person. He's quite a bastard, I know, believe me, but well, nobody is perfect and he really isn't much different from some of my own very close friends...

 

[XwY]

LOL...i met every x members too..XD

 

[SaKeVi]

LOL...i met every x members too..XD

Oh yeah, welcome: our discussion was 1 month ago; does that just come up to your head? or you thought that through a whole month

Sorry Uncle, I'll not say more curse words

 

[Child_prey]

Oi SaKeVi!
I'm still waiting for that surprise you promised us!