who is right?

senator · 23 Apr 2005

i don't know why korea people protest against japan by the way of hurt oneself, as a distinct from korea, chinese protesters hurt japaness insteat of oneself. who is right?

Tim33 · 23 Apr 2005

None are right

senator · 23 Apr 2005

must be some one are right

lexico · 24 Apr 2005

I'm not sure if this is the answer to your question.

One of my friends, who studied physics for major, was also highly into the science of the brain. There is a sickness of the mind that doctors of psychology has not been able to identify in other cultures than Korean: so-called ﾅｸT窶ｰﾃ絶?｢a. Under the extreme stress of undue suffering, patients fall ill, or choose to hurt themselves sometimes to the point of achieving the suicidal result.

One aristocrat, Min, Yong Hwan, killed himself in 1910 on hearing word of the Annexation of Choson Kingdom by Japan. Legend has it that from the earth under which his blood flowed, there emerged a magical bamboo; the photos & remains of the bamboo are still preserved in a museum.

What I am trying to say is that self-induced pain or suicide was not uncommon when faced with a major suffering that the Korean could not accept as real. Often times, as was in the case of Socrates, the death sentence (for a former loyal subject fallen out of the King's favor) was carried out by giving the person the choice to drink a deadly potion. Similar practices were also prevalent in China at least during the two Han dynasties.

ahmed · 24 Apr 2005

all of those are right, protest in various ways.

Ma Cherie · 25 Apr 2005

Okay, okay, I'm still trying to understand this whole thread. What are we talking about here exactly?

jeisan · 25 Apr 2005

why koreans when protesting japan hurt themselves, while chinese doing the same hurt japan(ese)

babyww · 25 Apr 2005

They are all right.
If Japan can not change its doing and saying,more and more asian will against japan!
hurt oneself,just set up a great claim to protest Japan's crime consumingly.
Similarly,chinese protesters hurt Japanese to express their anger.

Who is wrong ? it must be Japan.
Japan ,a pecksniffian country !

bossel · 26 Apr 2005

babyww said:
Similarly,chinese protesters hurt Japanese to express their anger.

Who is wrong ? it must be Japan.

If you meant those sentences to belong together, I have to disagree. Hurting people to express one's anger is wrong.

Japan ,a pecksniffian country !

Let's be a bit more precise here: it's not Japan, but the Japanese government & some nationalist circles. The vast majority of Japanese is perhaps ignorant of the issue, but not necessarily hypocritical.

babyww · 26 Apr 2005

bossel said:
Let's be a bit more precise here: it's not Japan, but the Japanese government & some nationalist circles. The vast majority of Japanese is perhaps ignorant of the issue, but not necessarily hypocritical.

Maybe you are right!
But I think Japan is a democracy country and its government is created by public voting, government is delegated by "The vast majority of Japanese ".when the government and some politician make a mistake ,it must be supported by Japanese people.
Support (or Connive) the right wing (beat the drum for militarism and racialism),if Japanese people can't shift their ground,they are not discriminatory,they are wrong.
The right wing in Japan is a extremist groups or a common groups ? I don't know,but I know the right wing get support from many big companys.

Implausibly Germany government allow his people do following:
1.Build a memorial so that people can pay homage to Hitler and other Nazi.
2.Allow Naziism party beat the drum for militarism and racialism.
3.Modify the history book .......Germany was forced into war because defiance from France! ......is there any Jew died?maybe or not .........

BUT Now Japanese government are doing these and Japanese people support their government.

It is the reason of Why Germany get the regard from all of the world and Japan get the disdain from all of the world(maybe just some Asian country)
Germany, a great nation ,We Love Germany!
Japan ,if you changed ,maybe get the regard ,otherwise..........

Shibuyaexpat · 26 Apr 2005

babyww said:
Maybe you are right!
But I think Japan is a democracy country and its government is created by public voting, government is delegated by "The vast majority of Japanese ".when the government and some politician make a mistake ,it must be supported by Japanese people.

The illusion of democracy is what pacifies citizens against revolution. The ideal of democracy is very different from the reality of it. Ideally, citizens should carefully consider the political views of possible constituents and vote accordingly and, once elected, those officials should vote in accordance with the wishes of those who voted for them. However, in reality, most citizens simply don't understand what's going on in politics and choose an official based on who has the best rhetoric. And even worse, the politicians, once elected, serve only those who have the power to immediately dictate their careers (ie., rich citizens and/or other politicians). I think, in general, citizens are more concerned about internal needs (e.g., in Japan postal system privatization, social security, transportation, etc.) and less so on external affairs.

Ikyoto · 26 Apr 2005

No nation is innocent. There is blood around the globe. We in America face our sins every day and are trying to fix them. Japan's government allowd and sanctioned horrible things in WWII. China's government allows and sanctions great evil in the countries they have invaded.

No one is innocent. Each people should face their own mirrors and do so without deception.

babyww · 26 Apr 2005

Shibuyaexpat said:
The illusion of democracy is what pacifies citizens against revolution. The ideal of democracy is very different from the reality of it. Ideally, citizens should carefully consider the political views of possible constituents and vote accordingly and, once elected, those officials should vote in accordance with the wishes of those who voted for them. However, in reality, most citizens simply don't understand what's going on in politics and choose an official based on who has the best rhetoric. And even worse, the politicians, once elected, serve only those who have the power to immediately dictate their careers (ie., rich citizens and/or other politicians). I think, in general, citizens are more concerned about internal needs (e.g., in Japan postal system privatization, social security, transportation, etc.) and less so on external affairs.

Thank you ! We should against only some of Japan's politicians(Right Wing)!

Come to this forum with anger and nonconfidence,maybe I have not differentiated all kinds of Japanese.At the present time,I know some of Japanese are sane.

But ,If the sane Japanese (like you ,I don't know the proportion in whole Japanese,maybe just tiny?) can hold the extremist right wing,I think Japan will get improved effect in asia.

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