Was there suppression of discussion of Covid and Covid Vaccines?

[mdchachi]

alas, the same could be said for me

Well me too but we don't have screen names that indicate we are good time managers.

 

[Master of Time]

The personal attacks just flow like water.

The general hostility was palpable from the beginning.

Many of you may be extremely proud of yourselves. But so are a great lot of abusive cretins.

 

[mdchachi]

The personal attacks just flow like water.

Except you'd be hard-pressed to find any personal attacks in this thread.

The general hostility was palpable from the beginning.

As I see it, you didn't come here in good faith. After (probably) getting kicked off other forums you came here. And your first post was about a controversial topic that can't possibly get resolved in a forum such as this. I'd say the responses have been remarkably restrained.

 

[Master of Time]

As I see it, you didn't come here in good faith.

You are calling me a liar. And you don't think that's a personal attack?

I was accused of being a troll early on. That's not a personal attack?

My user name was used to demean me. That's not a personal attack? (its got nothing to do with time management).

Maybe you need personal attacks aimed ot yourself to figure it out?

I also can't see how you think you "see" bad faith. You are grasping at shadows. I don't know why.

a controversial topic that can't possibly get resolved in a forum such as this.

I never ever said anything about the topic being "resolved".

I was right up front and clear that I was not looking for debate but rather looking for how people here felt about the situation.

I withheld my own opinion at first so as to not cause consternation, and I was very clear about that. But I was asked so I answered. Its called give and take, and I was just taking....so I gave.

It may or may not have gone well had YOU not derailed the thread trying to get this centered on Japan, as if this was going to spiral out of control unless you unleashed a hard crackdown.

I was just looking for some other viewpoints and perhaps even some information I may have overlooked.

I have no idea how any of that could even be viewed as bad faith. Its like you want to see it so bad you can't help but project it.

Well I try to be nice, but I am not going to walk on eggshells for anyone. Are we adults here?

 

[mdchachi]

You are calling me a liar. And you don't think that's a personal attack?

I didn't call you a liar. I said your motivations are suspect in my opinion. That's not a personal attack. It's subjective. Just like you say that the word "bizarre" is subjective.

I was accused of being a troll early on. That's not a personal attack?

A troll is internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. Trolls often post inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content to elicit strong emotional responses in people or to steer the conversation off-topic. Trolls may do this for their own amusement, or to push a specific agenda.
Which part doesn't fit? You expect us to believe that you came to this random internet Japan-focused forum that you've never participated in before to "find out how the people here felt about the situation" before even getting to know the people here? Did you also join, say, a furries forum and ask these same questions?

My user name was used to demean me. That's not a personal attack? (its got nothing to do with time management).

In the continuum of "personal attacks" this one lies on the "barely if at all" part of the spectrum.

Maybe you need personal attacks aimed ot yourself to figure it out?

I'm pretty sure I could handle the level of "attacks" that have shown up on this thread.

I also can't see how you think you "see" bad faith. You are grasping at shadows. I don't know why.

I've already stated why I felt you did not come here with innocent intent to simply find out what others feel about this topic. My working theory is that you've been kicked out of other places or they have been less tolerant of you causing you to seek other pastures.

I was right up front and clear that I was not looking for debate but rather looking for how people here felt about the situation.

Insert eyeroll here.

I withheld my own opinion at first so as to not cause consternation, and I was very clear about that. But I was asked so I answered. Its called give and take, and I was just taking....so I gave.

It may or may not have gone well had YOU not derailed the thread trying to get this centered on Japan, as if this was going to spiral out of control unless you unleashed a hard crackdown.

The thread did not ultimately get centered on Japan did it? I guess the "crackdown" didn't work.

I was just looking for some other viewpoints and perhaps even some information I may have overlooked.

Insert second eyeroll here. I'm guessing you didn't find anything overlooked? Did the people on the furries forum give you any overlooked insight?

I have no idea how any of that could even be viewed as bad faith. Its like you want to see it so bad you can't help but project it.

That's my opinion and it's subjective. Therefore you can't question it. Just like I'm not allowed to question your opinion that something is bizarre. That's your logic.

Well I try to be nice, but I am not going to walk on eggshells for anyone. Are we adults here?

"adult" is a subjective, not meaningful term too. Trump is an adult is he not?

 

[Majestic]

Everything in that article that I didn't read was subjective.
And women in Japan all control the family's finances - according to me.
So therefore, the article that I didn't read, is nonsense, because according to me its not true.
And, by the way, I'm the victim here.

 

[nice gaijin]

@Master of Time, you stepped into this board and immediately laid an explosive turd of a topic at our feet, without so much as a self-introduction.

I've attempted to engage you in an effort to have a productive discussion on the subject, and spent a considerable amount of energy doing so, respectfully. You've largely ignored the points I've made, and lately have just been engaged in petty arguments with other users because it seems that you have nothing substantive to say. The comments that you've taken such umbrage with have been ridiculously mild; are you really so thin-skinned?

I'm truly disappointed, because I was hoping that at least some fresh insight could be gleaned from engaging this topic. So far, you have yet to prove that you are in fact here in good faith; your position on these topics was evident from the beginning and hidden behind the thinnest façade of intellectual curiosity. It's increasingly apparent that you've joined JREF because you've been exiled from other platforms. If I were to offer advice, it would be to take a moment to reflect on your reason for being here and the common denominators that led you to leave those other platforms, and then consider your behavior moving forward and whether it's worth your time to escalate further.

Now that you've exhausted the polite goodwill that's humored you so far, please give us a reason to take you seriously.

 

[Master of Time]

without so much as a self-introduction.

You really do seem a bit pre-occupied with character. I suggest you lean a bit more toward content. Mdchachi seems the same with his "you didn't get to know the people here". In your case anything I cite you immediately go after their character and now you seem to feel cheated I did not offer up mine but just look for information.

That said, I am just one person alone.

This thread has not gone according to plan as I already indicated and I have encounted hostility that feels a lot more like existential fear to me.

I am sorry you feel ignored but as I have repeated just above, I was not here hoping for a debate. Its in the OP.

How do you think I feel being expected to debate, me vs. everyone else, when I stated directly I was not looking for a debate? And then I repeat myself and get chastized for not debating?

There is only so much I can do anyway. I don't have a gang of ninjas to invade the U.S. national archives and nab classified documents so I can win a debate about conspiracies that I never even wanted in the first place.

Eventually the whole thing is going to get to whether democracy is a collosal joke or not, but I am really not in the mood. If am going to enounter nothing but resistance from a pact of like minded hounds, what is the point? To be kicked around for not being a true believer? Screw that.

And yeah, I noted that despite Majestic being nothing but belligerent you got no words for him. Take a breath. My pool of spirit to speak is limited but if holes are poked in the bottom you can't expect much.

And I know perfectly well I am unpopular because I refuse to knuckle under and say things I don't believe for the sake of harmony and group comfort. I know that "agree to disagree" is a dead concept in today's world of "lets gang up on and cancel him" cause the world just can't bear to see the pillory empty for a whole day.

My words will change nothing in the world anyway, but just maybe some people's views of it. And I know that THAT is actually what terrifies them.

 

[Master of Time]

Do you want me to debate or do you want me to drop it?

Spare me your fking eyeroll. Just decide.

 

[mdchachi]

Do you want me to debate or do you want me to drop it?

Spare me your fking eyeroll. Just decide.

He didn't eyeroll, I did.

I was never interested in debating these undebatable topics. As you just said, none of us have access to the required classified documents. (And even the intelligence agencies who presumably have such information haven't come to any definitive conclusions.) This whole thread was pointless from day one especially coming from someone who didn't bother to build a rapport with the people here ensuring that you led off on the wrong foot. (And that's why I felt you did not come here in good faith.)

But of course if anybody else wants to continue this with you that's up to you all.

 

[Lothor]

This is getting rather rancorous and is now focusing on perceived slights, so I've locked the thread.