Vegetarians......Yes or No
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centrajapan
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- 16 Sep 2007
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Whats that nonsense?
I asked for the page and date in his own site, where you stated the other words.
centrajapan
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Please do the rest of your homework. I googled Dalailama is not a vegeterian. And it states that he isn't on his official page. Its not non sense and I have no more time to educating an ignorant with little manners.
Go to India and visit him. And talk with him yourself.
I would not trust your friends though because they are lying.
Study Tibetan Buddhism.
Go to India and visit him. And talk with him yourself.
I would not trust your friends though because they are lying.
Study Tibetan Buddhism.
Goldiegirl
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- 10 Aug 2006
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His Holiness' kitchen in Dharamsala is vegetarian. However, during visits outside of Dharamsala, His Holiness is not necessarily vegetarian.....so it say at his website....
centrajapan
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He is a weekend vegeterian then.
Its not proper vegeterianism if you sometimes eat meat.
Its not proper vegeterianism if you sometimes eat meat.Not necessary to go to India or do your work, if you can't answer simple questions, for example about where you copied the sentence and how old it is. You ought to be able to find it again, if not, you should not put it here.
The center is round the corner here, and they also have a phone. . .
centrajapan
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I went to India and have done my homework. I bet they haven't gone to India. They sound like urban Hare Krishna like people listening to techno on weekends. New age hippies. Apart from their whaling stance they probably are allright people.
Why don't you give them a call. It's 4 in the morning. Are they open 24 hours or someting?
Dalailama is NOT A VEGETERIAN. Get over it.
Why don't you give them a call. It's 4 in the morning. Are they open 24 hours or someting?
Dalailama is NOT A VEGETERIAN. Get over it.
They go to Dharamsala regularly and come from there directly.
We will remember you.
centrajapan
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You talk like a CIA agent. What are you going to do? Kidnap me and send me to Guatanamo? You should aske them the same questions I asked you to them. How can you only survive on beans if you live in a climate in sub zero temperatures? Its impossible.
Goldiegirl
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I certainly don't think wether or not some is or isn't a vegetarian is worth all the bickering. No one person is better because of being a vegetarian. Many vegetarians have terrible eating habits compared to "meat" eaters. Too many carbs and not enough veggies and fruits and certainly getting protein can pose some problems. You have to make sure you are eating healthy no matter what you chose to eat! I have a dietician because I can't process b vitamins...eating can be a struggle for me. She keeps me on track and always has good advice for me.
Right, Goldiegirl, its useles to talk to someone, who always runs sideways (we call this zig-zagging) with new non related questions, but does not answer properly, when asked a simple question first..
That tells me enough anyhow and obviously is his bad style.
Just go on with the other ideas.
I have not even taken sides in the general vegetarian question, nor would, because I am not one, but sympathize. . .be it for my daughter and some friends. For me everyone must know him/herself.
I simply don't like lyers and respectless offenders for offending's sake.
Good night and be well, Goldiegirl!!
That tells me enough anyhow and obviously is his bad style.
Just go on with the other ideas.
I have not even taken sides in the general vegetarian question, nor would, because I am not one, but sympathize. . .be it for my daughter and some friends. For me everyone must know him/herself.
I simply don't like lyers and respectless offenders for offending's sake.
Good night and be well, Goldiegirl!!
Eponine
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I am not a Vegetarian and never have, nor will be, because I believe that meat is an essential part of the human diet, especially for children and the elderly. I particularly need lots of red meat in my diet for iron as I am mildly anaemic (though green veggies like Broccoli help too). Additionally, I am a keen cook and I just love the taste of meat.
If adults (inc teens / young adults) have tried meat and decided they either don't like it or are morally against it then that is fine. I'm happy to cook vegetarian dishes at dinner parties for those who want it and I respect their strong opinion and willingness to stand up for their principles. But anyone who starts lecturing me about what I choose to eat is liable to get a "Shut up and eat your f***ing steak!"
If adults (inc teens / young adults) have tried meat and decided they either don't like it or are morally against it then that is fine. I'm happy to cook vegetarian dishes at dinner parties for those who want it and I respect their strong opinion and willingness to stand up for their principles. But anyone who starts lecturing me about what I choose to eat is liable to get a "Shut up and eat your f***ing steak!"
centrajapan
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I don't know what there is to argue. Dalailama is not a vegeterian.
magevampjoe
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- 5 Dec 2007
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I don't get this... why has the topic gone so off-topic? It needs to be split, so can a moderator do that please.
Anyway, even if the climate in Tibet isn't good to grow crops, have you heard of shipping? For instance; bananas don't grow in the United Kingdom, and yet we get them - because they are shipped and transported.
There will be trade routes in and out of Tibet, duh, so they still can be veggies, and not have to resort to eating meat.
Now please, can we get back on topic without
If you persist with this different topic I bet a Moderator will probably split it or something.
Goldiegirl tried to take the topic back to where it is meant to be, but you changed it back again centrajapan. So stop it.
Anyway, even if the climate in Tibet isn't good to grow crops, have you heard of shipping? For instance; bananas don't grow in the United Kingdom, and yet we get them - because they are shipped and transported.
There will be trade routes in and out of Tibet, duh, so they still can be veggies, and not have to resort to eating meat.
Now please, can we get back on topic without
and other insults to other members. Please?
If you persist with this different topic I bet a Moderator will probably split it or something.
Goldiegirl tried to take the topic back to where it is meant to be, but you changed it back again centrajapan. So stop it.
Some vegetarians are not veggies all their life for several reasons, often, because they started much later in their lifes, for many reasons, not just a belief one, but often also.
Some have medical problems and thus have to switch it off now and then, which does not mean, that their beliefs and reasons change much, if at all. Whenever they can, they go back to it.
Also I know many vegetarians, who, while travelling, cannot always control, what they get, because its not always clear, for example whats the base of a soup etc. Often its not even available. But I know many, who, even if they get served what others also have, for the lack of the host's organisation (it often speaks more against the carelessness of organisers than the participants, and as such also about their informations, not to forget)!), they often enough only eat the non meat parts of it. Thus even serving s.o. meat does not say, that he/she actually eats it nor is a non veggie because of this.
Whoever mainly is one, may have occasional exceptions, but that does not make him/her a general non-veggie. To see it this in another way is very closed minded.
The vegetarians simple try to do their best to keep it up, whenever possible, and that is what counts on the scales.
Its a big shame, that tibetan monks are called lyers in this context.
I hardly ever heard as much respectlessness simply for obviously only degrading reasons.
As for my daughter, we had a simple aggreement between us, as a tip: Since I learned a lot about the daily chinese way of cooking, I often prepared the non meat parts in a pot or pan, and then served her first, plus added a bit meat for me later. This never caused any discussions nor fights, and everybody was happy.
Could be a tip for organisers too.
Some have medical problems and thus have to switch it off now and then, which does not mean, that their beliefs and reasons change much, if at all. Whenever they can, they go back to it.
Also I know many vegetarians, who, while travelling, cannot always control, what they get, because its not always clear, for example whats the base of a soup etc. Often its not even available. But I know many, who, even if they get served what others also have, for the lack of the host's organisation (it often speaks more against the carelessness of organisers than the participants, and as such also about their informations, not to forget)!), they often enough only eat the non meat parts of it. Thus even serving s.o. meat does not say, that he/she actually eats it nor is a non veggie because of this.
Whoever mainly is one, may have occasional exceptions, but that does not make him/her a general non-veggie. To see it this in another way is very closed minded.
The vegetarians simple try to do their best to keep it up, whenever possible, and that is what counts on the scales.
Its a big shame, that tibetan monks are called lyers in this context.
I hardly ever heard as much respectlessness simply for obviously only degrading reasons.
As for my daughter, we had a simple aggreement between us, as a tip: Since I learned a lot about the daily chinese way of cooking, I often prepared the non meat parts in a pot or pan, and then served her first, plus added a bit meat for me later. This never caused any discussions nor fights, and everybody was happy.
Could be a tip for organisers too.
Chi65 said:
I know lots of people who do this, too. It's simple, works well, and makes everyone happy =).
Tt seems so many things have fish/meat bases in Japan, though, that I'm wondering if it will be possible there (and I'm usually very aware of what I eat--I avoid meat/fish-based soups, I don't eat cheese that has rennet or "enzymes" in it unless it clearly states that it didn't come from animals, etc). This is one case in which, like Chi65 said, I may just have to do the best I can to keep it up. However, I'm prepared to do a lot of making-things-from-scratch!
centrajapan
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- 16 Sep 2007
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They are liars to say Dalailama is a vegeterian. He isnt. Tibetan monks have no tradition of being vegeterians. Tibetant monks are people just like anyon else.
What is funny is how German pseudo new age Buddhists take it as an insult that someone would say Dalailama is not veggie. Such imperialistic mind set.
Yoga,7-11s, pork eaters anti whale eaters.
Ying and the yang.
magevampjoe
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- 5 Dec 2007
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They may or may not be lying. It is all speculation. You have no proof, centra, that the dalailama is or is not a vegetarian. And if you don't believe it, then you have no right to go around messing with people's views of the world. You are not perfect. I am not perfect. You will NEVER stop learning, and neither will anyone else. So don't tell people you are right and they are wrong. If somebody says 'The sky is green', don't comment. If they ASK you 'IS the sky green?' then they want your opinion, but otherwise, it is often best not to comment.
I will repeat in short; NOBODY WANTS YOUR OPINION UNLESS THEY ASK FOR IT, AND IN SUCH A TENTATIVE CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT THEY DON'T REALLY WANT YOUR OPINION.
Now can we PLEASE get back on topic. If you want to continue this debate please create a thread entitled 'Dalailama; Vegetarian or not?' or something similar, so that people can get back to the real topic; are you a vegetarian, do you agree with it. Not about a person who isn't here to speak.
Thank you.
EDIT; I HAVE CREATED A NEW THREAD FOR YOUR CONVERSATION HERE
Dalailama; Vegetarian? Yes or No?
I will repeat in short; NOBODY WANTS YOUR OPINION UNLESS THEY ASK FOR IT, AND IN SUCH A TENTATIVE CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT THEY DON'T REALLY WANT YOUR OPINION.
Now can we PLEASE get back on topic. If you want to continue this debate please create a thread entitled 'Dalailama; Vegetarian or not?' or something similar, so that people can get back to the real topic; are you a vegetarian, do you agree with it. Not about a person who isn't here to speak.
Thank you.
EDIT; I HAVE CREATED A NEW THREAD FOR YOUR CONVERSATION HERE
Dalailama; Vegetarian? Yes or No?
Exactly and thanks.
Its like this:
You ask someone if he/she is a smoker, and if he/smokes occasionally, that does not make him one, not even, if he smokes a whole packet a year. If he/she mostly doesn't, but occasionally tries a puff, he would rightly be told a non-smoker. Same with drinkers, or stronger: alcoholics or non-drinkers etc.
For example, if I drink now and then, like twice a year or even a bit more, that does not make me a drinker.
Not the other way round in general!
Imagine, someone would try not to drink for a few days, does that make him a general no-drinker, or the same with smoking. . .?
There you go.
Thus its not even an opinion, its a kind of general agreement, according to reasonable proportions(!!!), if the basic line is clear.
You would also call a japanese a japanese, if one parent is non-japanese, but he/she mainly at first sight looks like one. You would not even consider saying, he is not japanese.
Killing a jew already for having extremely low amount of jewish blood (and there its not even a race problem, but a belief thing!!) is..well, you know. . .we had it all, such kind of fanatic thinking for killing's and domination's sake.
To project this onto vegetarians is very very strange indeed. What counts, is their general appearance towards living beings with according respect, whenever they can(!). Which very well makes them, be it just a 90% or so, vegetarians, also apart from some people's private opinions. Such a percentage simply cannot be called non-veggie.
That would be full blind. In general.
I think, this theme in general very well belongs to the thread name, BTW
Its like this:
You ask someone if he/she is a smoker, and if he/smokes occasionally, that does not make him one, not even, if he smokes a whole packet a year. If he/she mostly doesn't, but occasionally tries a puff, he would rightly be told a non-smoker. Same with drinkers, or stronger: alcoholics or non-drinkers etc.
For example, if I drink now and then, like twice a year or even a bit more, that does not make me a drinker.
Not the other way round in general!
Imagine, someone would try not to drink for a few days, does that make him a general no-drinker, or the same with smoking. . .?
There you go.
Thus its not even an opinion, its a kind of general agreement, according to reasonable proportions(!!!), if the basic line is clear.
You would also call a japanese a japanese, if one parent is non-japanese, but he/she mainly at first sight looks like one. You would not even consider saying, he is not japanese.
Killing a jew already for having extremely low amount of jewish blood (and there its not even a race problem, but a belief thing!!) is..well, you know. . .we had it all, such kind of fanatic thinking for killing's and domination's sake.
To project this onto vegetarians is very very strange indeed. What counts, is their general appearance towards living beings with according respect, whenever they can(!). Which very well makes them, be it just a 90% or so, vegetarians, also apart from some people's private opinions. Such a percentage simply cannot be called non-veggie.
That would be full blind. In general.
I think, this theme in general very well belongs to the thread name, BTW
