The hunt for Christopher Dorner

[Mark of Zorro]

Apparently there are literally thousands of police mobilized in California to try and (cough) capture Christopher Dorner, the cop who first got fired for daring to report his female cop trainer who kicked a mentally ill man twice, then went on a murder spree to avenge the destruction of his career.

Interestingly, a video and report on Yahoo on the topic has gone missing, and call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think its because the comments were OVERWHELMINGLY against the LAPD for their treatment of Dorner, and more than a little supportive of the man.

I wrote:

Lemmee guess....a black male cop made the mistake of reporting a crooked white female cop...in the LAPD. Big mistake brother. Ruining his career? Bigger mistake LAPD.

And:

God. Look at the smirk of the woman they interviewed. I hope Dorner wipes that smirk off her face up close and personal. She is one of those twisted Americans who just loves this guns and violence $#!T.

And why thousands of police to go after him? Let the people who wronged Dorner go after him, one at a time, starting with the lying #$%$ cop who kicked the mentally ill man a couple times.

As far as I am concerned, the LAPD is more responsible for the deaths than Dorner, and all should be treated that way. The government should make him a deal, not charge him for murder, but give him some token punishment instead...in another state. Then go after all that idiots that created this situation.

My biggest qualm about Dorner is that he apparently killed people not related to his poor treatment by the LAPD. I think he has probably lost his mind and is therefore not responsible for what he has done. The LAPD is.

Now the LAPD is offering one million dollars for info leading to his capture (again, cough. They are going to execute him first chance they get). I think the LAPD should instead use that money to clean their own damned corrupt house.

What do you think about all this?

 

[BrianLewis]

Would a sane person become a random person killer? I suspect the LAPD was indirectly correct in firing him due to his actions following his dismissal. I have to say that I know just about nothing about the case, so that's all speculation. You have to realize that it's pretty trendy in the media to bash local law enforcement these days. That doesn't mean that any of it is true, but it does go a long way in forming the opinion of the general public that thinks that the media actually does a semi decent job.

I do however, believe that people are responsible for their actions no matter how crazy they act. I do have to agree with you that police officers are the type to think about retribution before capture when it comes to cop killers, mass murderers and child abusers. That just seems to be in their nature. Personally, I could care less. Although it would be more in line with our justice system, it might cost an officer or two attempting a capture. I don't consider that acceptable considering he is going to get executed anyway.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

Would a sane person become a random person killer?

Where did you get "random" from? HIs killings are not random.

You have to realize that it's pretty trendy in the media to bash local law enforcement these days. That doesn't mean that any of it is true, but it does go a long way in forming the opinion of the general public that thinks that the media actually does a semi decent job.

Trendy not often equate to near 100 percent agreement.

And while the press has done a poor job detailing his firing, I am still surprised so many drew the same conclusions from the little information given as I did.

I don't consider that acceptable considering he is going to get executed anyway.

He might get judged insane and not be executed, if he were judged.

I do have to agree with you that police officers are the type to think about retribution before capture when it comes to cop killers, mass murderers and child abusers.

So you think a guy who whipped his son with a belt should be shot to death without trial. Ummm....ok.

That just seems to be in their nature. Personally, I could care less.

Right. That could never lead to something like riots could it?

 

[BrianLewis]

Are we talking about the same person? I am a bit confused about it because I don't see many people sympathize with murderers, at least not while they are still killing.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

My posts above received 7 thumbs up, zero down, 7 thumbs up, one down respectively.

Similar posts received more thumbs up, but relatively the same lack of thumbs down. And the Yahoo page is STILL down.

The dude was wronged. There is so much agreement on that. He is getting into the Jesse James, Bonnie and Clyde and even more so, the Ned Kelly territory.

Ned Kelly - Wikipedia

 

[Mark of Zorro]

You can read more about Dorner here: Christopher Jordan Dorner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the same guy who turned in 8,000 dollars he found in a bag. I am not sure that I myself am that honest!

His motives have been posted here, or so it says. I have not had time to read it yet. Christopher Dorner's Original Manifesto | From the Trenches World Report

And on top of the one million reward, he has been made an official target for predator drones. I find that fact more scary than Dorner. And they accuse him of domestic terrorism???

 

[Mark of Zorro]

Sorry, my mistake, but Dorner is not being targeted by Predator drones. Damned misleading MSM!

 

[OoTmaster]

While it is possible that he was wronged he took the wrong course of actions in response. Vigilante justice has never been accepted within the United States. I think the best possible thing that could happen here is for an agency outside of the LAPD to investigate the case that caused the firing of Christopher Dorner. The truth is whether or not the other officer did do wrong the LAPD is likely going to support their earlier decision to avoid losing face. Even if it is the case killing people for firing you incorrectly is not justified no mattter what you think their motive for doing so was. I have yet to hear why he thinks these killings are justified other than he was fired incorrectly.

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

He killed another cop, wounded another, but they got him today. They surrounded the cabin he was hiding in and burned it to the ground with him in it. The fire was supposedly caused accidentally -- by a canister of tear gas!

 

[Mark of Zorro]

I have not read anything about the cause except for your account. If true, its Waco all over again.

While it is possible that he was wronged he took the wrong course of actions in response.

It was the only course of action left available. The only thing left would have been to do nothing.

I will have to read his manifesto, but I bet its more than just "he was wronged". See how he died? The cops may have, in a way, posthumously justified at least some of his actions.

I predict Dorner will be an inspiration to some certain people in the future. I just hope they kill the right people.

 

[OoTmaster]

Correct me if I am wrong here. But are you saying that you support vigilante justice? If you are unsure what that is. It is where someone takes the law into their own hands to "right" the "wrongs" that have been done to them. It is 100% illegal in most countries and for good reason. If it were let loose anyone could kill anyone else. Effectively becoming judge, jury, and exictutioner.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

But are you saying that you support vigilante justice?

Every day, every case? No. But sometimes its as right as revolution. When the cops, judges and other officials are corrupt, the only justice left is vigilante justice.

It is 100% illegal in most countries and for good reason.

So is revolution. The American revolution was illegal.

If it were let loose anyone could kill anyone else.

I am not suggesting it be "let loose". In some cases it is called for. Dorner had such a case, but he killed the wrong people (as far as I know, but I don't have all the details).

If Dorner had the power to jail those corrupt bas#ards, I would not support killing at all. But he had no such power. This was all he had to fight corruption. It was this, or nothing.

Effectively becoming judge, jury, and exictutioner.

Which is sometimes better than a corrupt judge, a corrupt jury, and a corrupt executioner.

 

[OoTmaster]

You seem to think that he was correct in doing what he did. What evidence do you have to support this? I am curious, I haven't heard much on the case besides what the media has said, and I definintly don't trust the media in this country.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

You seem to think that he was correct in doing what he did. What evidence do you have to support this? I am curious, I haven't heard much on the case besides what the media has said, and I definintly don't trust the media in this country.

I don't agree with everything he did. In fact, I believe he lost his mind.

I believe he was unfairly dismissed because even if he did make up that false report about his trainer, is the appropriate response to destroy his career? I don't think so. Nor do I believe it was false because its three people's word against the trainer. Is it so far-fetched to believe he got screwed? Is it so far-fetched to believe the LAPD and other authorities are up to the same old tricks that saw the Rodney King beating officers all get acquitted before the LA riots prompted real justice? I don't think so.

You don't trust the media, but I don't trust anybody. I am weeding out what I find to be bull from everybody's statements and actions and also taking into account what is not being shown.

Have you seen complete video footage of the burning cabin yet? I haven't.

 

[OoTmaster]

I don't want to make a decision either way as to what I believe happened before him being fired. I think that it does warrent an investigation from an agency outside of the LAPD. I have not seen the full video of the burning cabin. What I do know is that he was firing at the officers that came to apprehend him. One of the officers was killed and if he gets killed in the process I see nothing wrong after what he has done. I think he deserved a fair trial and nice long prision sentence. But not at the cost of the lives of even more officers that were not involved with anything to do with why he went on a rampage in the first place.

 

[Mark of Zorro]

My understanding is that they DID pull another Waco and combined flammable tear gas with flash bangs. Why the flash bangs? Were they invading the cabin? No. The flash bangs were to burn it down and several officers have been captured on audio saying those words "burn it down".

News reports I read state that they delived the tear gas and flash bangs after breaking the windows of the cabin with an armored vehicle. What was their rush?

I don't believe a word the police say. Why would anyone anymore? And that in itself is a huge problem.

What I do know is that he was firing at the officers that came to apprehend him.

I would not assume they were there to apprehend him. Nor would I assume that it was Dorner who shot first and should therefore be held accountable for shooting back.

One of the officers was killed and if he gets killed in the process I see nothing wrong after what he has done.

They were not going to even try to take him alive. This whole thing could have become a stand off, and what is wrong with that? There was no real need to burn him alive. Its just another reason why we cannot trust them.