Splicing i-adjectives

The Gentleman Carp · 11 Oct 2004

Ohayou

It's been a while since I learned how to splice adjectives together, I was wondering if I could grab a quick reminder. As far as I remember, you do this:

Shiro and Aoi become Shirokuteaoi (Shiroku/te/aoi). So if I were saying the white and blue bird, I might say Shiroku te ao tori?

Is this right, or am I getting things mixed up? Thanks!

- Aka

PaulTB · 11 Oct 2004

The Gentleman Carp said:
Is this right, or am I getting things mixed up?

There appears to be some mixing going on.

The Gentleman Carp said:
Shiro and Aoi become Shirokuteaoi

しろい (shiroi) and あおい (aoi) could become しろくてあおい sirokuteaoi.

The Gentleman Carp said:
So if I were saying the white and blue bird, I might say Shiroku te ao tori?

sirokuteaoi tori might be OK. I'm not certain that it wouldn't sound like "bluey-white coloured bird". :?

Mike Cash · 11 Oct 2004

青白, anyone?

PaulTB · 11 Oct 2004

mikecash said:
青白, anyone?

Well not WWWJDIC, unless you mean
青白い【あおじろい】 (adj) pale; pallid; (P)
and not Goo unless you mean
青白色【せいはくしょく】青みがかった白色。
however there seems to be a goodly amount of
青白の in Google and judging by the Google Image results it means exactly what you think it means.

One question though ... how is it read?
(I'd guess あおじろ but ...)

Scrivener · 11 Oct 2004

For "the white and blue X" I get a feeling you say 白と青のX. But I know for "black and white" you can say 白黒の. Other combos I'm not sure. 白くて青い does sound to me like "whitish blue"...

When you have something like 若くてきれいな女性 (a beautiful young woman) it is like there is kind of a "connection" between the two adjectives. I couldn't really tell you if there has to be a connection every time... another common one that springs to mind is 優しくてかわいい (kind and cute) and that doesn't really have a connection... but they are the same "sort" of adjectives, not like "kind and Spanish" or something, if you see what I mean.

EDIT after reading Paul's post:
I get both seihaku and aojiro. Funnily enough, one of the definitions for the latter is 背部が青く、他の部分の羽毛が白い鷹 (a hawk with a blue feathers on the back and white feathers elsewhere) - there is a bird called an "aojiro"!

PaulTB · 11 Oct 2004

Scrivener said:
there is a bird called an "aojiro"!

Not that I doubt you, but got link? I'm posting a link to this thread in sci.lang.japan for a suggested new EDICT entry so I'd like to double check as I didn't have much luck with Google.

Scrivener · 11 Oct 2004

It's just from my old "Bookshelf Basic" dictionary.

あお‐じろ【青白】

あおじろ（あを‥）
Ⅰ 〔形動〕青白いさま。
Ⅱ 背部が青く、他の部分の羽毛が白い鷹。

Kokugo Dai Jiten Dictionary. Shinsou-ban (Revised edition) (c) Shogakukan 1988.
国語大辞典（新装版） (c) 小学館 1988.

Here's a funny term from another electronic dictionary, though a bit close to home really...

あおじろきいんてり【青白きインテリ】
名 ○armchair intellectual<発音>[アオジ'ロキインテリ]<英説>an intellectual whose ideas are devoid of action<日説>行動力のない知識人
○<発音>[アオジ'ロキインテリ]<英説>the characteristic of an intelligent person having no active power<日説>行動力のない知識人であること

PaulTB · 11 Oct 2004

Scrivener said:
It's just from my old "Bookshelf Basic" dictionary.

Still at the cutting edge of 'paper' technology huh?

Scrivener said:
あお‐じろ【青白】

あおじろ（あを‥）
Ⅰ 〔形動〕青白いさま。
Ⅱ 背部が青く、他の部分の羽毛が白い鷹。

Kokugo Dai Jiten Dictionary. Shinsou-ban (Revised edition) (c) Shogakukan 1988.
国語大辞典（新装版） (c) 小学館 1988.

Thanks for the ref / text.

Scrivener · 11 Oct 2004

Naw, "Bookshelf Basic" is the basic version of a Microsoft CD they bundle with new computers. I got it with my old laptop I bought in Akihabara in 1998. It's just a bunch of dictionaries really. I should have the full "Bookshelf" version somewhere but I can't find it.

The main electronic dictionary I use is one called "電辞海" that has a bunch of specialist dictionaries you can add into it.

software.fujitsu.com/jp/denji/gaiyou.html

Splicing i-adjectives

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